Now I would like to hear from the people looking forward to Incarna and walking in stations.

will even pay you ISK

Your a bit too early for one of these articles as it will hold no information, just guesses and hopes of things to come.

Incarna is already here. It was released several months ago.

Even though I find it kind of silly to pay real money for virtual goods.

I was when they released the Ambulation demo in 08. Now not so much. Its odd how you can progress backwards over the course of 3 years and only thing to show for it is a poorly optimized single room.

Until somone can at least describe something that would be fun to do with incarna it's all smoke and mirrors.

What we have today is the basics for something that can grow into something much bigger. ...

Without being immediately shot down with the latest catchphrase of "door simulation".

I personally don't think faction warfare or ship spinning is fun, does it make it less important? What people need to realise is that there's lots of different aspects of Eve. Some like faction warfare, some like PVE. Some enjoy politics in huge alliances, and some enjoy marketing deals in Jita. It's a sandbox and there's no right or wrong way play it.

What I'm looking for is those who think walking in stations, bars and whatever may come will be fun. I want to hear about their hopes and expectations because I don't think it's being voiced enough.

It is narrow minded to think of EVE only as an internet spaceships countertrike.

Not voiced enough? Are you serious? It seems half the threads in eve general are about incarna. Yes the vast majority of the posts are voicing thier own opinion that it is a waste of time. But there are plenty of "incarna has huge potential" posts that offer no actual description of what that potential is other than virtual shopkeeper. IMO We don't need another thread with posts like that.

a lot, i mean A LOT of people want WIS,

its the fact that ccp wanted to force WIS that pissed people off.
also the fact that incarna was lame by every standard and didnt add any gameplay whatsoever.


learn to form valid points

I just hope they get past this initial hump of having to devote so much time to walking and are able to devote equal amounts of resources between walking and flying soon.

It is narrow minded to think of EVE only as an internet spaceships counterstrike.

EVE is internet spaceships. Stop being dumb.

Eve is going KEKEKEKEKEKEKE in local.

... the US economy is a mess, BECAUSE the government accounting office is just a bunch of trolls.

Ill look forward to it when they announce you can carry a sidearm and headshot people.

To be honest, I cannot quite stand the "WiS is the Great Satan" posts anymore.
It is for the most part not the same developers working on avatars & spaceship content. If they weren't working on Avatars and surroundings for EVE Incarna, they'd lobber off to create sexy barely-clad vampire chicks & nightclubs instead for World of Darkness.

So if you want to complain, then start complaining about WoD, not the fact that Incarna features avatars.

I am a long time EVE player, too. I didn't miss avatars that much, but when they announced WiS I was quite happy.

It has drawn a lot of people I know from other MMOs (and no, I don't play WOW) to EVE and they have become quite good in no time plus... guess what? They enjoy blowing up spaceships AND they like their avatars. And god forbid: they even prefer the CQ view to ship spinning. Matter of taste I guess.
Let me state that of these new players some played RP and PVP, most others only PVP in other games. And even the non-RPlers like to see their toon from time to time.

If they now pimp up the UI as announced a while back, the next people will start to howl at the moon, that there'll be combined windows instead of 5 open ones, even if a developer working on e.g. war on lag is not an UI programmer. (If you read carefully, they hired three not that long ago...)

Let me add: I think the playerbase already has changed a lot even before Incarna. There were a lot out-of-the-box thinking projects going on in the (g)olden times, too. Today every noob is told you can only do PVP or boring stuff and should join a big alliance yesterday, which is BS of course.

EVE is so great because you can do a lot of different things and are not forced to go towards one end or develope your character towards the ever-same end. All it takes is a little creativity. I like pew-pew, but I certainly don't think that's all EVE is about.

Yes, dead serious. I usually wear a funny hat when I'm not.

Belittling those with other opinions, saying that Incarna is dead, or accusing those with other views than your own to be saboteurs isn't constructive in any way for walking in stations. And as you say, that's the vast majority of the posts. That's why I want to hear more from the other side. The non positive has had more than their time to explain why CCP and/or Walking In Stations is bad, now I want to hear why the positive look forward to a new aspect of the game. But then we actually have to be quiet and listen. Shouting at the top of your lungs isn't a discussion. IMO

Again people, who claim incarna has "tremendous potential" yet offer no concrete description of how, are just giving us smoke and mirrors. We have plenty of these vacuous posts in eve general already - including this very thread.

Virtual storeclerk and watching a computer avatar play cards are about the best we have so far. Is that the tremendous potential? I have been asking, and I have been listening, but that is all people are talking about.

Tell me what I missed or deal with the facts. But don't claim I'm yelling at or belitling people just because I am pointing out the facts about these posts.

1)* Possibility to do RP (many people enjoy it)
2)* Right step into "total immersion feeling" instead of playing enhanced Space Invaders. Want to feel like I AM in that world.
3)* IF they get the establishments in as planned, you can customize NPC talk in bars e.g. = neat way for Info trading
4)* Instead of spinning your ship in a self-hypnotizing manner when on station you can still interact with other players
5)* Friends/Enemies will feel more personal. Not just another ship you just blowed up or got blown up by.
6)* They could stream Shadoo's Armor HAC rage as a song in bars!!!
7)* Lots of further artistic potential IF they do it right

EVE was always about thinking beyond the simple mechanics... At least in the past. For some this could be a revival, actually.

* Possibility to do RP (many people enjoy it)
* Right step into "total immersion feeling" instead of playing enhanced Space Invaders. Want to feel like I AM in that world.
* IF they get the establishments in as planned, you can customize NPC talk in bars e.g. = neat way for Info trading
* Instead of spinning your ship in a self-hypnotizing manner when on station you can still interact with other players
* Friends/Enemies will feel more personal. Not just another ship you just blowed up or got blown up by.
* They could stream Shadoo's Armor HAC rage as a song in bars!!!
* Lots of further artistic potential IF they do it right

EVE was always about thinking beyond the simple mechanics... At least in the past. For some this could be a revival, actually.

I am very much in favor of continuing to iterate on "walking in stations" (even though I hate that term.) Anything that makes the EVE universe more immersive and brings it closer to being "the ultimate science fiction simulator" is a good thing in my book. This should not come at the cost of what makes EVE great today, however. Continuing to iterate on the actual spaceships in space aspect of the game is almost (but not quite) inarguably more important than anything else at this point.

The real, long-term danger that I see with the current direction of "WiS" is with Aurum, and microtransactions in general. The way it works currently (ISK > PLEX > Aurum > ISK) is a fly in the face of everything immersive and "sci-fi simulator" about EVE. When I purchase a PLEX with real-life money, where does that PLEX come from? With Aurum, ISK is no longer that currency that only capsuleers and megacorporations can use, the most valuable currency in the galaxy. This system has cheapened my whole experience of EVE by quite a bit.

CCP's internal resource allocation to various projects aside, and the Aurum system aside, I still find myself looking forward to the rest of EVE's evolution into the ultimate science fiction simulator. I only hope that CCP can survive its own upper level management long enough to make this dream a reality.

* Possibility to do RP (many people enjoy it)
* Right step into "total immersion feeling" instead of playing enhanced Space Invaders. Want to feel like I AM in that world.
* IF they get the establishments in as planned, you can customize NPC talk in bars e.g. = neat way for Info trading
* Instead of spinning your ship in a self-hypnotizing manner when on station you can still interact with other players
* Friends/Enemies will feel more personal. Not just another ship you just blowed up or got blown up by.
* They could stream Shadoo's Armor HAC rage as a song in bars!!!
* Lots of further artistic potential IF they do it right

I hope none of this happens. Roleplayers are the worst.

Why even ask for opinions if you are only interested in getting one answer (and willing to pay isk to get it, no less). Just make up an article and claim WiS is awesome and everyone wants it.

I personally don't think faction warfare or ship spinning is fun, does it make it less important? What people need to realise is that there's lots of different aspects of Eve. Some like faction warfare, some like PVE. Some enjoy politics in huge alliances, and some enjoy marketing deals in Jita. It's a sandbox and there's no right or wrong way play it.

What I'm looking for is those who think walking in stations, bars and whatever may come will be fun. I want to hear about their hopes and expectations because I don't think it's being voiced enough.

Aiden thanks for the sensible response. Its good to hear someone with some down to earth views on the potential. And not just talking about the "tremendous potential"

I have to just say though. This reminds me when I was about 10 years old I played a role play game called dungeons and dragons. Anyway they came out with miniature lead figures. Well I thought having these miniature lead figures was going to make the game so much better. I mean it would help me visualize my character etc. I picked the one that I wanted to look like and painted it and everything. But then I never really used it. The role play was my interaction with the other people and my imagination and the lead figurines ended up playing no part at all.

I am inclined to think incarna will be like those lead figurines. But who knows.

I like the idea of writing scripts for your bartenders. I'm not sure how exactly it would work but its a pretty cool idea.

Perhaps if you have high enough standing with the corp that owns the station your bartenders could give out missions to specific players of your choosing if they happen to wander in. It would have to be limitted so people wouldn't exploit it with alts. But lets say I have high standing with a corp so I could set it up such that I tell the bar tender your aiden are a good guy. So next time you come into a station owned by that corp the bartender will say something like "hey cearain says your a good reliable pilot, and I'
m looking for someone like you. Would you be willing to help me out with something?"

Are you looking forward to the full implementation of walking in stations?

Again people, who claim incarna has "tremendous potential" yet offer no concrete description of how, are just giving us smoke and mirrors. We have plenty of these vacuous posts in eve general already - including this very thread.

Virtual storeclerk and watching a computer avatar play cards are about the best we have so far. Is that the tremendous potential? I have been asking, and I have been listening, but that is all people are talking about.

Tell me what I missed or deal with the facts. But don't claim I'm yelling at or belitling people just because I am pointing out the facts about these posts.

In my eyes for Incarna to be a worthy side game it needs to have a properly thought content and gameplay system. Inventories, stories, NPC's, conflicts, fights, economy. A place for it to happen - no, four rooms and some catwalks won't do....

The potential is probably in the social and economic realms. Letting people open up clubs, shops, clothing stores, and so forth, could bring a lot to the game. Avatar interaction in a social setting is probably the next obvious step to take. Giving people more options for professions and making in-game isk is always going to be a good idea, I think.

Think of it this way Mr M

Players have played this game for how many years now? All with the single view of looking at their ship.


This game is about spaceships, and there are many of them for the player to choose to fly.


They play this game FOR the spaceships. And when they dock up, they want to be able to look at their spaceships in the old station spinning enviroment.

If you're still having trouble understanding why people like station spinning, replace the spaceship with a sports car in you're mind.

They dont give a crap who's driving, they just want to look at the sexy beast that IS the car (or in this case, spaceship)


the WIS view of the ship is ok for showing the size of the ship vs you - but it removed the players ability to oggle those sexy curves, armor plates and turrets from whatever angle the user could manover too.

If you're still having trouble understanding why people like station spinning, replace the spaceship with a sports car in you're mind.

They dont give a crap who's driving, they just want to look at the sexy beast that IS the car (or in this case, spaceship)

And for the ship spinning, why don't you just undock? Then you can spin your ship and look from beneath.

Are you really this dense?

[quote=Maxpie]Or seeing goons dock at a station. Each and everyone of them wearing glasses with fake nose and mustache and a "kick me" note on the back.
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Nex would be more ... acceptable if the items were not equivalent to hundreds of millions of isk.

• Provide items for Lp. Spread out unique items among multiple corps.
• Random rewards for faction.
• Make some item rewards BoP? Not very Eve-like but still makes them more rare.
• Do some limited items like the Quafe T-shirt.
• Use Nex items them as part of the buddy reward system.
• Add random scratch-off codes as part of a magazine ad ... or something.
• Add more variety and improve the PLEX, AUR, ISK conversion rates.

But, back on topic.

If we can actually do something beneficial to the game... Player owned bars, shops, etc ... then I think it will be fantastic. Maybe a lounge where we can interact with the DUST514 merc's? Just thinking out-loud.

Yes. Please explain the joy of sitting docked in a station and spinning your ship.

All of this sounds horrifying.



Not too bad. Don't forget the damn usable corporation offices.

Betoli,

Those are some good questions!

I'd think it would be more realistic if we entered the station from a different location than our CQ. I'm also a fan of only having CQ where your Medical Clone is located. Most of us keep that clone near to where our corp is .....

I have a feeling that CCP could reduce the tax on items by using player-to-player interactions? Possibly have an inherent flat mark up in price if you use the Market Window? Possibly have a 'black market' for needed things not found in the Market Window?

I'm betting CCP will hope things like gambling, mini-games, or other interactions will entice people out of CQ's.

When they're finished with the initial and time intensive work off crating a new graphical engine I believe they will spend more time on flying.

Now I would like to hear from the people looking forward to Incarna and walking in stations. You must be out there, looking forward to the next piece of clothes that is released by CCP, and maybe you're even planning on your on line of ingame clothes?

I don't know about everyone else but...

Perhaps, but first and foremost, EVE is spaceships.