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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:09:00 -
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We have heard the haters, ad nauseam. Now I would like to hear from the people looking forward to Incarna and walking in stations. You must be out there, looking forward to the next piece of clothes that is released by CCP, and maybe you're even planning on your on line of ingame clothes? But you're probably hiding. In the dark. Under a rock. Dressed up as a French Police officer called Ren+¬. To not be ridiculousised and burnt on a stake.
That's why I and the Eve Tribune gives you the opportunity to to come and write for us and give us your point of the view. Anonymously, if you want. Loud and proud too. We bring the fire retardant suit and will even pay you ISK for your trouble.
Drop me a mail
/Mr M
Eve Tribune
[email protected]
(official mail address)
Ps. Not trolling.
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Tyrnaeg en Varche
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:14:00 -
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Quote:Now I would like to hear from the people looking forward to Incarna and walking in stations.
Quote:will even pay you ISK
I can't wait for WiS! Can I have my iskies now?
Just kidding. I like WiS, and really want to try it. Smuggling also sounds very promising. But, I can't say that I will spend any money/isk for clothing - does not seems right, yet.
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:19:00 -
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Incarna is already here. It was released several months ago.
You can walk and walk and walk in stations 23/7.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:24:00 -
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Your a bit too early for one of these articles as it will hold no information, just guesses and hopes of things to come.
And considering you already started with the scathing remarks... well
I am sure you will get somebody to write something for you.
But I have no hope for a decent article coming out of it.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:24:00 -
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I was when they released the Ambulation demo in 08. Now not so much. Its odd how you can progress backwards over the course of 3 years and only thing to show for it is a poorly optimized single room. |
KhaelaMensha Khaine
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:25:00 -
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I'm looking forward to the next issue of EvE Tribune more than I am Incarna. I hope it will be a good addition to the game but so far the cost is far too high. |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:34:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Your a bit too early for one of these articles as it will hold no information, just guesses and hopes of things to come.
So there can be no articles before all facts are unveiled? I think you're wrong there. As much as... the non positive? has voiced their fear about "Barbies in space" I think the positive should have the rights to express their opinion. And since the non positive is the vocal majority on this forum I think we may need to move that somewhere else.
Plus, I would actually want to read about it myself. Even though I find it kind of silly to pay real money for virtual goods.
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:04:00 -
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And you know as well as me, if CCP released these glasses they would become an instant hit. Even with The Mittani.
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Zey Nadar
Unknown Soldiers
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:05:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Incarna is already here. It was released several months ago.
No it isn't, thats the whole problem..
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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:24:00 -
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Mr M wrote:
Even though I find it kind of silly to pay real money for virtual goods.
Well that is the interesting part.
The original idea was to have players make items and sell them for ISK.
Now that the NEX store is out.
If Incarna goods are entirely based on the Aurum.
Considering the exchange rates, well DOA comes to mind.
So yes it is too early for one of these articles as until CCP gives us some idea of what is coming.
And the mechanics behind it, no plans can be made.
In a month when more information comes out.
Well then maybe this article would be appropriate.
However I doubt we will see player made goods in the next expansion.
However nothing would make me happier then to be proved wrong, but I doubt it.
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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:40:00 -
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Now with all the above being said.
Once there are more details out.
A perspective store owner would have an excellent opportunity in providing you the article you wish.
There they could talk about there ideas and there realistic goals and even there planned location.
EVE is a big place.
Especially if you offered them a follow up story after they opened up for business.
Nothing like a little free advertisement.
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Zimmy Zeta
Humanidyne Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:58:00 -
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Actually, I have some hope that Incarna (the real Incarna) will be extremely awesome.
CCP failed big times with the release of the totally boring and useless CQ.
And they experienced an amount of rage and protest from their playerbase that they would have never expected. They lost many subscriptions and finally gave in to make a partial roll back (like ship spinning returning etc.).
I think they have realized that Eve online is still their most important project, and without it CCP will go to bust.
But the devs have invested so much time into Incarna already, just giving it all up is not an option (at least, not yet).
I believe they only have one option here: Triple their efforts and make it the most awesome expansion ever. Should the players really like what they see, the guys behind Incarna can say "See? I knew it all along..." 
But should any further WiS expansion be as terrible as the last one and more players quit, CCP might just fire a few people who are unlucky enough to be given the responsibility.
So, I think the next Incarna update has to be great, because there are people fearing for their jobs... |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.22 08:18:00 -
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What we have today is the basics for something that can grow into something much bigger. But what we mostly see of the forum is cheap use of catch phrases like "18 months", "$6000 dollar pants" and the ever so popular "Barbies in space": What we would like to show is that there are other opinions out there and phrases like "ships in space" are only half right. Just see how much time people (apparently) spend spinning their ships in stations. Or for that matter, how much time some people spend on politics.
As well as there's room and time to talk about improvements to super capitals, sovereignty, low sec and others there's also time to talk about what people would like to see in future instances of Incarna. Without being immediately shot down with the latest catchphrase of "door simulation".
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.09.22 09:29:00 -
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Nice to see your rag has all the objectivity of a Fox reporter at a clan rally.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Ned Black
Driders
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Posted - 2011.09.22 11:07:00 -
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What I want from incarna?
I want to be able to assault a POS/SOV structure/Outpost in a FPS fassion instead of the current sit hours on end shooting and for what?.
I want to be able to shoot you in the face, stab you in the heart and then **** on your corpse... but I do not want walking for the sake of walking. That part will keep me interrested for about 2 minutes. I dont care a fig if you come with standard cloths or the latest Monocle 2020... unless I can shoot you in that said monocle to destroy it....
Sorry if you did not get the Incarna praise you wanted, but I have been sceptical to Incarna since I first heard of it. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.22 11:19:00 -
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If station spinning comes back, I don't really care what they do with Incarna.
Also Op: Incarna only exists because it is a logical testing ground for world of Darkness. One wonders what will happen to our "Incarna" after WOD actually comes out and they can test there stuff there instead of here. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.09.22 16:12:00 -
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Incarna is not some as yet unseen virtual reality. Its a computer avatar walking in a station.
People need to understand that.
If people want to continue to talk in vague terms about how incarna has "so much potential," thats fine I can't stop them. But its getting old.
Until somone can at least describe something that would be fun to do with incarna it's all smoke and mirrors.
The only actual concrete description I have heard so far is we can be virtual store clerks.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ubee Rubiks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.22 16:29:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:I was when they released the Ambulation demo in 08. Now not so much. Its odd how you can progress backwards over the course of 3 years and only thing to show for it is a poorly optimized single room.
QFT |
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.22 16:32:00 -
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I am looking forward to the potential of what Incarna can bring to the Sci-fi game that is EVE.
From what I've heard and are looking most forward to is the establishment feature. You can have your own bar. Fit with gambling, drinking and even have the shady dude in the corner selling contraband. Or a shop where you can sell stuff, as a front for your blackmarked scheme that you have going on in the background (or forground). 
I truly want them to do this right, since this is something that the game has been lacking. So I have no problem waiting a bit more for this either. As I've said in another post.
Good things come to those that wait.
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.22 16:59:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Until somone can at least describe something that would be fun to do with incarna it's all smoke and mirrors.
I personally don't think faction warfare or ship spinning is fun, does it make it less important? What people need to realise is that there's lots of different aspects of Eve. Some like faction warfare, some like PVE. Some enjoy politics in huge alliances, and some enjoy marketing deals in Jita. It's a sandbox and there's no right or wrong way play it.
What I'm looking for is those who think walking in stations, bars and whatever may come will be fun. I want to hear about their hopes and expectations because I don't think it's being voiced enough.
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KhaelaMensha Khaine
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 17:30:00 -
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Mr M wrote:What we have today is the basics for something that can grow into something much bigger. ...
You mean like 0.0 Sovreignty or Factional Warfare Or Wormholes Or Incursions Or Planetary Interaction or T3 ships?
CCP has a history of rolling out exciting new ideas in prototype format but then neglecting to expand on them in favour of pursuing even more "visionary new content". Thankfully, yes, there are now teams working on fixes, enhancements and improvements but they exist largely because of player feedback that more effort was needed to work on the existing content which we use everyday.
Given the above track record and the failure of the Incarna launch I'd say that people are justified in their concerns for the future.
Mr M wrote:Without being immediately shot down with the latest catchphrase of "door simulation".
Let's not forget that the "door simulation" only exists today because CCP chose to TAKE AWAY our old hangar ship view for no good reason whatsoever.
Remember "spinning a ship" doesn't have to literally mean that. Part of the immersiveness of EvE for a pilot is actually seeing their ship while docked and being to access it as before (GUI functionality to access cargo etc). Clearly a static backdrop of a door isn't at all immersive but CCP decided to provide us with the option to see either that or CQ. Not really much of a choice, especially as a better one ALREADY existed. If it isn't broken, why fix it?
All this was NEEDLESSLY lost when Incarna came out and people turned off CQ. It's unsurprising that this is one of the first things CCP is addressing (see latest devblog).
The problem was never WIS per se but the way Incarna has been released.
i.e. Forced on us with bugs, performance issues and minimal functionality that gets boring very quickly.
IF CCP wanted to sell us the idea that WIS was going to be cool this was a pretty bad way to go about it and once you've disappointed people you have to work twice as hard again to impress them. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.09.22 17:45:00 -
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Mr M wrote:Cearain wrote:Until somone can at least describe something that would be fun to do with incarna it's all smoke and mirrors.
I personally don't think faction warfare or ship spinning is fun, does it make it less important? What people need to realise is that there's lots of different aspects of Eve. Some like faction warfare, some like PVE. Some enjoy politics in huge alliances, and some enjoy marketing deals in Jita. It's a sandbox and there's no right or wrong way play it. What I'm looking for is those who think walking in stations, bars and whatever may come will be fun. I want to hear about their hopes and expectations because I don't think it's being voiced enough.
Not voiced enough? Are you serious? It seems half the threads in eve general are about incarna. Yes the vast majority of the posts are voicing thier own opinion that it is a waste of time. But there are plenty of "incarna has huge potential" posts that offer no actual description of what that potential is other than virtual shopkeeper. IMO We don't need another thread with posts like that.
I'm sorry if you feel threatened by my question as to what exactly people think incarna can bring that has this potential. But it is a legitimate question and I will keep asking it.
What exactly is the hype about? There will be no combat. Is it all about being a virtual storeclerk? Will they take boosters off the market so I will have to get out my ship and go through a few more session changes to buy them? Am I suppose to be thrilled with that?
We already have incarna. Yes that right, it is here. Mittani already wants to do a "post-mortem" on it. You would think it was here and already died.
If a release that is called "incarna" that allows you to see your character walking around in a station is not actually incarna, what is?
Is it not incarna unless we have a promenade? Is it not incarna unless we have gallente cq? Its not incarna unless we can play virtual shopkeeper?
I'm actually starting to think the people making these vacuous posts claiming the "tremendous potential of incarna" actually work for competitors of ccp. They want to keep ccp away from FIS for another 2 or 3 years.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.09.22 18:55:00 -
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No its horseshit.
I wanted my toon to be a hugely obese naked man covered in tats instead of what i got which is a Gap model just like everyone else |
Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
15
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Posted - 2011.09.22 18:59:00 -
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It is narrow minded to think of EVE only as an internet spaceships countertrike. |
Byshop Kayl
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
8
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Posted - 2011.09.22 19:00:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:It is narrow minded to think of EVE only as an internet spaceships countertrike.
Perhaps, but first and foremost, EVE is spaceships.
-á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.09.22 19:26:00 -
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Yes, I have been waiting for it for 4 or 5 years now.
I'll probably get bored with it after an hour, but having more immersion in the game is a good thing. I just hope they get past this initial hump of having to devote so much time to walking and are able to devote equal amounts of resources between walking and flying soon. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2011.09.22 19:47:00 -
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a lot, i mean A LOT of people want WIS,
its the fact that ccp wanted to force WIS that pissed people off.
also the fact that incarna was lame by every standard and didnt add any gameplay whatsoever.
learn to form valid points |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
13
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Posted - 2011.09.22 19:51:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Not voiced enough? Are you serious? It seems half the threads in eve general are about incarna. Yes the vast majority of the posts are voicing thier own opinion that it is a waste of time. But there are plenty of "incarna has huge potential" posts that offer no actual description of what that potential is other than virtual shopkeeper. IMO We don't need another thread with posts like that.
Yes, dead serious. I usually wear a funny hat when I'm not.
Belittling those with other opinions, saying that Incarna is dead, or accusing those with other views than your own to be saboteurs isn't constructive in any way for walking in stations. And as you say, that's the vast majority of the posts. That's why I want to hear more from the other side. The non positive has had more than their time to explain why CCP and/or Walking In Stations is bad, now I want to hear why the positive look forward to a new aspect of the game. But then we actually have to be quiet and listen. Shouting at the top of your lungs isn't a discussion. IMO
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Byshop Kayl
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
9
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Posted - 2011.09.22 19:53:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:a lot, i mean A LOT of people want WIS,
its the fact that ccp wanted to force WIS that pissed people off.
also the fact that incarna was lame by every standard and didnt add any gameplay whatsoever.
learn to form valid points
I don't know that that's what pissed people off so much. I'd lean more toward the melting video cards or the complete and utter lack of content. Coupled with the fact that all of the development time went into WiS instead of into something that could have actually added game content, fixed bugs, or balanced game play.
Had WiS actually added something substantial to the game, I think it would have been more welcomed.
-á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
47
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Posted - 2011.09.22 19:56:00 -
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You know... one big appeal of Eve to me, in addition to the complex learning curve, was not having an avatar running around. Instead you were in the ship of your choice off doing whatever. I suppose WoW burned me out on the whole 'avatar' thing, where people actually gave a crap about your appearance (armor of the month, whatever). Eve, not having that, is/was refreshing.
I'll admit to being a little curious to WiS, might even try it a time or two, but I sincerely hope CCP leaves a place for us that simply enjoys being on a ship, running around in wormholes somewhere not caring what I look like. (Stealth "Please don't nerf wormholes" post)
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
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