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Grozen Caldari Titan Core	Posted - 2010.04.16 03:25:00 - [31] Its pretty simple actually Tyrannis and as soon as it hits and ppl see what big fail it is expect price to plummet down. knowledge is power
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.04.16 03:55:00 - [32] Fear of impending mineral changes causing massive price inflation? Fear of approaching planetary interaction providing an ISK faucet? Either or both of these things could happen, or the specifics of the changes could cause the opposite effect. But consider the player with a few billion ISK to his name who has done just enough research to know that nobody knows exactly what's going to happen to the value of his money. PLEX are more or less tied to real-world cash, meaning that best case the PLEX buyer is shielded from in-game inflation, and worst case, hey, at least he won't have to pay for his accounts for a while. (All of these may or may not represent my reasons for moving most of my cash into PLEX a while back, before prices started climbing.) ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Mahke Aeon Of Strife Discord.	Posted - 2010.04.16 05:13:00 - [33] I have no clue why this is occuring. In general though, the two most likely answers (besides day-to-day weekly cycle) are macro resurgence or manipulation.
Io Callisto	Posted - 2010.04.16 11:42:00 - [34] ...and it will all come crashing down when Tyrannis hits... simply because of the fresh supply of PLEX hitting the market as lots of players return for a few months and want a quick couple of billion to finance Planetary stuff. Still, it's always amusing to watch the puppeteers work their magic on the unwashed masses...
Jondar Valador Intergalactic Crossing Core Factor	Posted - 2010.04.17 01:40:00 - [35] Originally by: SetrakDark ... are you from the future?
Lord Meltdown Caldari New Dominion Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.17 04:52:00 - [36] It's seasonal
Subject Omega459	Posted - 2010.04.17 11:13:00 - [37] Akita T said something about plex manipulation a few days ago =)
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2010.04.17 17:31:00 - [38] While some of this is seasonal, some of this is pre-patch run up and undoubtedly some is market manipulation the odds of runaway inflation come Tyranis are very real. If (and this is a big if) there's a giant migration from mining to missioning then we get a firehose of ISK chasing non-labor produced, mostly inelastic supply of goods like PLEX. Could be quite interesting. OTOH, if planets DO produce ice products like they did on sisi there may well be a massive downward trend in subscribers. But since that's not in CCP's best interest I find the inflation scenario far more likely. That's why I bought a small stash of PLEX a bit ago as well. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
Taua Roqa Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.20 10:43:00 - [39] i never screwed up for once, yay! bought 6.5bil of plex when they were at 270.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.04.23 21:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Subject Omega459 Akita T said something about plex manipulation a few days ago =) Are you sure you're not confusing me with somebody else ? Because I can't recall ever suggesting PLEX are being manipulated, let alone saying anything like that a couple of days ago. TBH, to me, what's going on now, it just looks like the usual, natural fluctuation pattern (summer/winter, near-patch/between-patch). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2010.04.23 21:57:00 - [41] One thing no one has mentioned here is that ccp has gone out on their drive to get players back in game.. When hundreds of people rejoin for their "Free Week" then there's a big chance those guys will pay for a 30d plex before deciding for sure to stay or go. In a way, this is ccp manipulated demand, good or bad, not sure.... They wont provide stats on how many free passes are given out at any said moment. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.04.23 21:58:00 - [42] Who has an interest in seeing PLEX prices go up up up? (Hint: They also have an interest in seeing use of PLEX go down down down.) Who controls the game? Its rather surprising PLEX prices went as low as they did ...
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2010.04.23 23:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Who has an interest in seeing PLEX prices go up up up? (Hint: They also have an interest in seeing use of PLEX go down down down.) Who controls the game? Its rather surprising PLEX prices went as low as they did ... Well, yes, in a way CCP probably does want plex usage to go down. They dont make as much off of 60d codes as the codes sell for, and then after exchange rates are taken into consideration then non-americans (read: those paying by euro) can play eve cheaper using plexes/codes! I would think that the majority of european players who do use plex actually just buy from shattered crystal and apply directly. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !
Driven Marcelli Minmatar Evil Overhead	Posted - 2010.04.24 06:29:00 - [44] Edited by: Driven Marcelli on 24/04/2010 06:33:31 Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Who has an interest in seeing PLEX prices go up up up? (Hint: They also have an interest in seeing use of PLEX go down down down.) Who controls the game? Its rather surprising PLEX prices went as low as they did ... CCP cant realy have it both ways and they know it. if Price goes up (the part CCP wants to see because that means that there RMT alternative is working) the real demand goes down because fewer people want to or can spend that mutch ISK for there account. the only way for prices to keep going up is to somehow increase the ISK per hour income of players, or to somehow perminently convince the part of the playerbase out there that has more ISK than brains that somehow the price of Plex is on a perminent upword spiral and get thoes idiots to constantly buy Plex with Ingame isk thust creating an ever increasing oversupply of non redeamed Plex at ever increasing prices.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.04.24 15:26:00 - [45] Oh, please, these conspiracy theories are complete asspulls and with no basis in logic. CCP doesn't care much either way, and here it's why: * when PLEX prices go up, RMTers become less attractive to use compared to PLEX, so they make more desperate moves and more mistakes, and are easier to catch, which lightens the load on the servers, which means more legitimate customers for same hardware investment, so less cash needs to be spent by CCP * when PLEX prices go down, more people start creating alt accounts (or bringing back some former accounts to active duty), and more active accounts means more cash for CCP If anything, CCP would only have an interest in fluctuating PLEX prices, but hey, they fluctuate naturally either way. If CCP would REALLY want European people to NOT use non-european GTCs, they could just as well "region-lock" the codes they distribute, so, for instance, a subscriber that buys a code from a non-EU site using USD will only be able to use it on an account that uses a non-EU IP... and vice-versa, an EU IP would only be able to use codes purchased from an EU reseller. Or any other number of things they could possibly do, but they don't. Bothering to manipulate PLEX prices in-game for significant effort and negligible effect... it just makes no sense. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Taua Roqa Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.24 16:13:00 - [46] asspulls is a great word!
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.04.24 17:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Taua Roqa asspulls is a great word! I agree with this as well as what Akita said.
Sir SmellyFart State War Academy	Posted - 2010.04.24 18:36:00 - [48] On the account of manipulation, I have seen some local manipulation attempts but they are shortlived. Kind of hard to maintain 345 mil plex prices when 2 jumps away they are 310 in another region. Found some dude trying really hard to buy up as much plex as possible through buyorders and from what I could tell he was clearing out sell orders too. On the whole, prices do seem to be crawling up though.
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2010.04.24 23:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Akita T Oh, please, these conspiracy theories are complete asspulls and with no basis in logic. CCP doesn't care much either way, and here it's why: * when PLEX prices go up, RMTers become less attractive to use compared to PLEX, so they make more desperate moves and more mistakes, and are easier to catch, which lightens the load on the servers, which means more legitimate customers for same hardware investment, so less cash needs to be spent by CCP * when PLEX prices go down, more people start creating alt accounts (or bringing back some former accounts to active duty), and more active accounts means more cash for CCP If anything, CCP would only have an interest in fluctuating PLEX prices, but hey, they fluctuate naturally either way. If CCP would REALLY want European people to NOT use non-european GTCs, they could just as well "region-lock" the codes they distribute, so, for instance, a subscriber that buys a code from a non-EU site using USD will only be able to use it on an account that uses a non-EU IP... and vice-versa, an EU IP would only be able to use codes purchased from an EU reseller. Or any other number of things they could possibly do, but they don't. Bothering to manipulate PLEX prices in-game for significant effort and negligible effect... it just makes no sense. I never said CCP WERE doing it, Just that they would enjoy the benefits of some of the factors of such changes. RMT'ing doesnt create any extra load on servers. Plex prices going down doesnt usually pull people back into the game, not directly at least. I still stand by my original statement howerver, all of these "free week" trials they are giving out is what's probably driving the prices up. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2010.04.25 00:01:00 - [50] You want conspiracy theory? How about-- CCP can create isk out of thin air. Perhaps some of these buy orders are CCP pulling PLEX from the saturated market in preparation for an influx of new gamers and alts that come with summer and expansion? Let's say there are 3000 issued, but unused GTC (note...GTC, not PLEX). I don't know what the markup is for the codes at the retail sites...but let's say CCP makes US$25 per 60-day GTC. As people are quick to point out, the time that players purchase via in-game isk is already paid for in RL cash. CCP has already made it's $75,000 on those codes. Now they create a pile of isk (which costs them nothing) and purchase the converted GTC/PLEX. Now, after a bump in volume...the supply of available PLEX is decreased, prices go up a bit...folks see the rise in price and purchase GTCs (with more RL money.) As long as they don't get carried away, it's a win-win-win (or maybe just a win-win?)...no...it's win-win-win. KB =vinur allra manna My blogs: Tastes Like Chicken EvE Meta-Gaming

Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.04.25 00:11:00 - [51] Edited by: Breaker77 on 25/04/2010 00:11:38 Originally by: DeODokktor RMT'ing doesnt create any extra load on servers. I suggest you read up on unholy rage and the increase in server performace when thousands of macros were banned. Every person online affects the entire cluster and removing a couple thousand macros that are online 23/7 doing nothing but generating ISK to sell is a good thing.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2010.04.25 05:39:00 - [52] Edited by: Lord Fitz on 25/04/2010 05:40:05 The less isk you get for your $35 GTC, the more you need to buy in order to get your shiny new ship. Thus the lower GTC prices, the more people need to buy, as well as the more people are able to create demand by having enough isk to play (or run a second account) using GTCs. So it's very much in CCP's interest to keep prices low. If they're making isk from thin air it only takes one person to reveal this and fairly effectively destroy the entire player base's trust in the game. It's too much of a risk (>300,000 subscribers) for the sake of just a few $.
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2010.04.25 06:00:00 - [53] Originally by: KaarBaak You want conspiracy theory? How about-- CCP can create isk out of thin air. Perhaps some of these buy orders are CCP pulling PLEX from the saturated market in preparation for an influx of new gamers and alts that come with summer and expansion? Let's say there are 3000 issued, but unused GTC (note...GTC, not PLEX). I don't know what the markup is for the codes at the retail sites...but let's say CCP makes US$25 per 60-day GTC. As people are quick to point out, the time that players purchase via in-game isk is already paid for in RL cash. CCP has already made it's $75,000 on those codes. Now they create a pile of isk (which costs them nothing) and purchase the converted GTC/PLEX. Now, after a bump in volume...the supply of available PLEX is decreased, prices go up a bit...folks see the rise in price and purchase GTCs (with more RL money.) As long as they don't get carried away, it's a win-win-win (or maybe just a win-win?)...no...it's win-win-win. It could be said that historically RL seem to imply that a fiat currency and fiddling the markets is a bad thing? Tycoon wannabe go here: SCC Lounge Got Game? Peak a boo...
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2010.04.26 07:25:00 - [54] Left out part of PLEX prices going up that's bad for CCP: Dead accounts because of people not being able to afford them. Going to college full time and being absolutely required to pay with PLEX, I'm maybe staring that in the face right now unless the prices go down fast. And if it does go poof, it will be an unknowable period of time before I can afford to reactivate. Last time, it was a year and a half.
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.04.26 21:35:00 - [55] When the cost of PLEX goes up (in ISK), then less people can afford them (in ISK) and accordingly more people pay cash to play the game. When the cost of PLEX goes down (in ISK), then more people can afford to play "for free" by simply using ISK to pay the cost of playing. The other postulated effects are far less certain and far less persuasive, in my view. This is not to say CCP is acting on this, but I think their financial interest is relatively clear.
Vonlutt Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:05:00 - [56] Originally by: KaarBaak You want conspiracy theory? How about-- CCP can create isk out of thin air. Perhaps some of these buy orders are CCP pulling PLEX from the saturated market in preparation for an influx of new gamers and alts that come with summer and expansion? Let's say there are 3000 issued, but unused GTC (note...GTC, not PLEX). I don't know what the markup is for the codes at the retail sites...but let's say CCP makes US$25 per 60-day GTC. As people are quick to point out, the time that players purchase via in-game isk is already paid for in RL cash. CCP has already made it's $75,000 on those codes. Now they create a pile of isk (which costs them nothing) and purchase the converted GTC/PLEX. Now, after a bump in volume...the supply of available PLEX is decreased, prices go up a bit...folks see the rise in price and purchase GTCs (with more RL money.) As long as they don't get carried away, it's a win-win-win (or maybe just a win-win?)...no...it's win-win-win. Disturbing idea! !
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2010.05.08 03:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist When the cost of PLEX goes up (in ISK), then less people can afford them (in ISK) and accordingly more people pay cash to play the game. When the cost of PLEX goes down (in ISK), then more people can afford to play "for free" by simply using ISK to pay the cost of playing. The other postulated effects are far less certain and far less persuasive, in my view. This is not to say CCP is acting on this, but I think their financial interest is relatively clear. When the cost of PLEX goes up (in ISK), then less people can afford them (in ISK) and accordingly less people (or second/third accounts) PLAY. Every single person the plays, is paid for, in cash, to CCP. Regardless of if they hand over the cash or use a PLEX that someone else paid for. It's in CCP's best interest to have PLEX as low as possible, people need to buy more to get their shiny new titan, people can have more accounts active. Thus there are more accounts playing. Obviously it would be pointless for CCP to 'create' PLEX as these would be lost income (also equally buy orders for PLEX for the same reason). So it's very much in CCP's interest to not influence the market at all in terms of price, but to make it as easy as possible to participate in (since participation will increase volumes transfered without affecting price).
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.08 08:53:00 - [58] Isn't the new big shiny expansion going to be soon? If so no wonder that somebody decided to manipulate PLEXes. Agony Unleashed - zero blues 0.0 pvp, pvp classes


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