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Scout Ops Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.22 18:22:00 - [1] PLEX cards are suddenly getting more and more expensive any particular reason?
Taram Caldar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.03.22 18:42:00 - [2] People are stupid. Pretty much a fact of life. Market Alerts Mailing List
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.03.22 19:20:00 - [3] Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.. Amarr for Life
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.22 19:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Scout Ops PLEX cards are suddenly getting more and more expensive any particular reason? Market manipulation. It's only in Jita atm from few regions I looked at. You can get them approx 15 mil cheaper in other trade hubs (Amarr for example). Someone has dumped some isk on it and is trying to push PLEX in Jita to 300 or above. When lemmings follow he domps and someone else is left holding the bag. If timing is correct ;)
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.03.22 19:41:00 - [5] Also don't forget that it's nearing summertime which means more people online as school gets closer to being out for the summer. More demand = higher prices.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.03.22 20:05:00 - [6] Demand is up or down and supply is up or down. I just ** my pants. Originally by:** Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
QuintusCodus	Posted - 2010.03.22 23:30:00 - [7] I blame the idiots in GTC market, lack of expertise as marketeers.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.03.23 00:16:00 - [8] Trending up over a period of three weeks isn't suddenly. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.03.23 00:52:00 - [9] Edited by: SetrakDark on 23/03/2010 00:53:00 Originally by: Professor Leech Trending up over a period of three weeks isn't suddenly. I like the cut of your jib. Pending the Wise and Venerable MD Council's (WVMDC) confirmation, I'd like to induct you into the MD Elite.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.03.23 02:06:00 - [10] If that means getting random convos, evemails and single shares from people that I don't know can I take another option? Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places

Kenz Rider J Club	Posted - 2010.03.23 02:24:00 - [11] Only disconcerting aspect is high bid/ask spreads in Jita, but that could just point to market inefficiency in adjusting to quick price moves. Bullish factors: Volume strong. Double bottom price formation over past several months. Trading at the top of volatility channel. Below long-term average price. Order book favored sellers as of yesterday but I haven't run my models on the book today. A quick visual analysis appears that this has reversed and the order book favors buyers. Market is probably short-term overbought which doesn't take a genius to figure out. Jita vs other hubs is meaningless. Jita is the largest market by a large margin for PLEX and there are many inefficient and disinterested players in the other hubs.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.	Posted - 2010.03.23 02:27:00 - [12] Originally by: SetrakDark Edited by: SetrakDark on 23/03/2010 00:53:00 Originally by: Professor Leech Trending up over a period of three weeks isn't suddenly. I like the cut of your jib. Pending the Wise and Venerable MD Council's (WVMDC) confirmation, I'd like to induct you into the MD Elite. SetrakDark, meet Companion Qube. Qube, meet SetrakDark Store \| Get SRS
Caldari 5 Amarr The Element Syndicate Hand That Feeds	Posted - 2010.03.23 02:31:00 - [13] Real World Economic Crisis!! People want more ISK for real life cash :)
Kenz Rider J Club	Posted - 2010.03.23 02:49:00 - [14] Very interesting, I just ran my model on the Jita order book and it's quite crazy how big the supply demand imbalance is right now. It's almost completely opposite how it was a month ago for example. The order book also appears very disorderly compared to how it normally looks. -Realistic buy orders outnumber sells 2.5:1. -Dispersion versus my regression model is very high compared to historical on both buys and sells. - Slope of buy and sells is slightly above average.
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2010.03.23 06:17:00 - [15] That, and I think the usual suspects in the Jita PLEX market have been sucked into League of Legends and SC2 beta for the past month. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
OPX2	Posted - 2010.03.23 10:40:00 - [16] Surely they realize the current sell price is too high. According to EVE-Metrics, stock is moving at a hair over 270M mark. While buy orders in other regions are being filled instead of sell orders.
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.23 10:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Kenz Rider Very interesting, I just ran my model on the Jita order book and it's quite crazy how big the supply demand imbalance is right now. It's almost completely opposite how it was a month ago for example. The order book also appears very disorderly compared to how it normally looks. -Realistic buy orders outnumber sells 2.5:1. -Dispersion versus my regression model is very high compared to historical on both buys and sells. - Slope of buy and sells is slightly above average. There is this trick with right skills where you have to put only a bit isk on line to post relatively high volume buy orders that get automatically removed as soon as someone tries to fulfill those. It is standard practice in market manipulation to use that trick to give appearance of huge demand - while those orders disappear as soon as someone tries to actually fulfill those. I'm sure there is some real offers also in the mix, but most of those are bogus. If you look at trade volume in PLEX (i.e. number of PLEX traded per day) it's the same as 3 weeks ago.
Power Sauce Kenzzoku	Posted - 2010.03.23 13:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Kenz Rider Very interesting, I just ran my model on the Jita order book and it's quite crazy how big the supply demand imbalance is right now. It's almost completely opposite how it was a month ago for example. The order book also appears very disorderly compared to how it normally looks. -Realistic buy orders outnumber sells 2.5:1. -Dispersion versus my regression model is very high compared to historical on both buys and sells. - Slope of buy and sells is slightly above average. There is this trick with right skills where you have to put only a bit isk on line to post relatively high volume buy orders that get automatically removed as soon as someone tries to fulfill those. It is standard practice in market manipulation to use that trick to give appearance of huge demand - while those orders disappear as soon as someone tries to actually fulfill those. I'm sure there is some real offers also in the mix, but most of those are bogus. If you look at trade volume in PLEX (i.e. number of PLEX traded per day) it's the same as 3 weeks ago. Tell us more about these mind readers.
volhar	Posted - 2010.03.23 13:48:00 - [19] No mind reading involved, you simply use margin trading and make sure you don't have enough money in your wallet to fill the order and it will dissapear as soon as someone tries to fill it. In theory of course, I'd never do such a thing :)
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.03.23 15:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Professor Leech If that means getting random convos, evemails and single shares from people that I don't know can I take another option? It means fast space ships, faster space women, an all the free crash that you can snort.

Kenz Rider J Club	Posted - 2010.03.23 16:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Kenz Rider Very interesting, I just ran my model on the Jita order book and it's quite crazy how big the supply demand imbalance is right now. It's almost completely opposite how it was a month ago for example. The order book also appears very disorderly compared to how it normally looks. -Realistic buy orders outnumber sells 2.5:1. -Dispersion versus my regression model is very high compared to historical on both buys and sells. - Slope of buy and sells is slightly above average. There is this trick with right skills where you have to put only a bit isk on line to post relatively high volume buy orders that get automatically removed as soon as someone tries to fulfill those. It is standard practice in market manipulation to use that trick to give appearance of huge demand - while those orders disappear as soon as someone tries to actually fulfill those. I'm sure there is some real offers also in the mix, but most of those are bogus. If you look at trade volume in PLEX (i.e. number of PLEX traded per day) it's the same as 3 weeks ago. The volume of buy orders is not critical to the model. The volume of sell orders is. I take little stock in the volume of buy orders for the reason you posited -- and I have one analytical method to evaluate the problem with greater mathematical rigor. I pointed out the 2.5:1 ratio because it says something about the volume of sell orders and was simple to state. More important is the development of the market over time. I have the order book saved for many periods going back quite a long time and the order book as of yesterday was dramatically different than it usually is. Tangentially this discussion gets back to one of the key features of the market, which you are hinting at -- PLEX in my view is a buyer's market, meaning the majority of PLEX transactions are seller initiated. This changes how you look at volume in a microstructure model.
OPX2	Posted - 2010.03.24 05:43:00 - [22] The higher they go, the harder they fall.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.03.24 08:35:00 - [23] 325 million in Lonetrek atm
Rosenoern	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Caldari 5 Real World Economic Crisis!! People want more ISK for real life cash :) omfg.... EVE = Real Life :D
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Kenz Rider The volume of buy orders is not critical to the model. The volume of sell orders is. I take little stock in the volume of buy orders for the reason you posited -- and I have one analytical method to evaluate the problem with greater mathematical rigor. I pointed out the 2.5:1 ratio because it says something about the volume of sell orders and was simple to state. More important is the development of the market over time. I have the order book saved for many periods going back quite a long time and the order book as of yesterday was dramatically different than it usually is. Tangentially this discussion gets back to one of the key features of the market, which you are hinting at -- PLEX in my view is a buyer's market, meaning the majority of PLEX transactions are seller initiated. This changes how you look at volume in a microstructure model. Hehe. Too long words in the mix for me. I'm in physics, not in economy. However when looking at number of transactions per day in Jita I do not see no increased demand for PLEX as number of transactions seems to be same as before the spike. Then again I'm not involved in this little spike so PLEX price spiking in Jita leaves me relatively emotionless. I'm just saying that this seems like the usual manipulation, as in other regions price is remaining relatively stable (or was still few days ago) and volumes traded are the same. Markets are like balloon of air in my eyes. You can put gas molecules into it and apparent size depends on the temperature of that gas. Currently it seems that number of molecules is stable in the balloon but someone is heating it a bit making the balloon expand. Then again this is very simplified picture of it ofc.
Kenz Rider J Club	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Carniflex Hehe. Too long words in the mix for me. I'm in physics, not in economy. However when looking at number of transactions per day in Jita I do not see no increased demand for PLEX as number of transactions seems to be same as before the spike. Then again I'm not involved in this little spike so PLEX price spiking in Jita leaves me relatively emotionless. I'm just saying that this seems like the usual manipulation, as in other regions price is remaining relatively stable (or was still few days ago) and volumes traded are the same. Markets are like balloon of air in my eyes. You can put gas molecules into it and apparent size depends on the temperature of that gas. Currently it seems that number of molecules is stable in the balloon but someone is heating it a bit making the balloon expand. Then again this is very simplified picture of it ofc. In this case a smaller bubble is correlated with higher ISK prices of dollars (game time). If looking at it this way makes you uncomfortable then take the inverse: higher dollar prices of ISK is correlated with a larger bubble. Is it more fair to say this a dollar crash or an ISK bubble? That is another way to look at the issue. Volume in real life markets and the PLEX market is VERY tricky and is oft misunderstood. What matters more than volume is what is called "signed order flow" There can be 100 seller initiated transactions and 100 volume, 100 buyer initiated transactions and 100 volume, or somewhere in between; for example 50 buyer and 50 seller initiated transactions and 100 volume. In the first case prices tend to go down, in the second they go up -- but volume is still 100 in both cases. In markets where 100 people want to sell but there are only 80 buyers, well that's not when prices go down, that's when they crash.
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2010.03.24 19:00:00 - [27] PLEX prices always drift up a month or two ahead of an expansion (people getting their armies of alts ready), and slowly drift down after the expansion is actually released. Now is as good a time as any to soak up the available (and mostly inelastic) supply and manipulate the prices up. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.03.24 19:37:00 - [28] There's nothing to see here, move along. Don't even look at the graph. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Viral Goddess	Posted - 2010.03.26 23:35:00 - [29] Anecdotal evidence I already noticed is a lot of people I know have been buying more PLEX for isk off the market lately than I ever have seen before, and being away from empire the method they buy it is to ask someone with a Jita alt to buy one and contract it over to them. They don't ask for someone to fly around empire for them and find a better price, they ask for someone to buy one in Jita. More people buying PLEX using isk to pay for their account(s) and people away from empire not shopping around but instead relying on whatever market price in Jita being ok I think are the driving factors behind both the imbalance between Jita and other hub PLEX prices and the rising price. But again this is all anecdotal, but a tread I was thinking about the other day even before reading this thread.
Scout Ops Red Federation	Posted - 2010.04.16 01:41:00 - [30] it's not stopping... lol 310m and going up

Grozen Caldari Titan Core	Posted - 2010.04.16 03:25:00 - [31] Its pretty simple actually Tyrannis and as soon as it hits and ppl see what big fail it is expect price to plummet down. knowledge is power
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.04.16 03:55:00 - [32] Fear of impending mineral changes causing massive price inflation? Fear of approaching planetary interaction providing an ISK faucet? Either or both of these things could happen, or the specifics of the changes could cause the opposite effect. But consider the player with a few billion ISK to his name who has done just enough research to know that nobody knows exactly what's going to happen to the value of his money. PLEX are more or less tied to real-world cash, meaning that best case the PLEX buyer is shielded from in-game inflation, and worst case, hey, at least he won't have to pay for his accounts for a while. (All of these may or may not represent my reasons for moving most of my cash into PLEX a while back, before prices started climbing.) ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Mahke Aeon Of Strife Discord.	Posted - 2010.04.16 05:13:00 - [33] I have no clue why this is occuring. In general though, the two most likely answers (besides day-to-day weekly cycle) are macro resurgence or manipulation.
Io Callisto	Posted - 2010.04.16 11:42:00 - [34] ...and it will all come crashing down when Tyrannis hits... simply because of the fresh supply of PLEX hitting the market as lots of players return for a few months and want a quick couple of billion to finance Planetary stuff. Still, it's always amusing to watch the puppeteers work their magic on the unwashed masses...
Jondar Valador Intergalactic Crossing Core Factor	Posted - 2010.04.17 01:40:00 - [35] Originally by: SetrakDark ... are you from the future?
Lord Meltdown Caldari New Dominion Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.17 04:52:00 - [36] It's seasonal
Subject Omega459	Posted - 2010.04.17 11:13:00 - [37] Akita T said something about plex manipulation a few days ago =)
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2010.04.17 17:31:00 - [38] While some of this is seasonal, some of this is pre-patch run up and undoubtedly some is market manipulation the odds of runaway inflation come Tyranis are very real. If (and this is a big if) there's a giant migration from mining to missioning then we get a firehose of ISK chasing non-labor produced, mostly inelastic supply of goods like PLEX. Could be quite interesting. OTOH, if planets DO produce ice products like they did on sisi there may well be a massive downward trend in subscribers. But since that's not in CCP's best interest I find the inflation scenario far more likely. That's why I bought a small stash of PLEX a bit ago as well. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
Taua Roqa Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.20 10:43:00 - [39] i never screwed up for once, yay! bought 6.5bil of plex when they were at 270.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.04.23 21:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Subject Omega459 Akita T said something about plex manipulation a few days ago =) Are you sure you're not confusing me with somebody else ? Because I can't recall ever suggesting PLEX are being manipulated, let alone saying anything like that a couple of days ago. TBH, to me, what's going on now, it just looks like the usual, natural fluctuation pattern (summer/winter, near-patch/between-patch). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2010.04.23 21:57:00 - [41] One thing no one has mentioned here is that ccp has gone out on their drive to get players back in game.. When hundreds of people rejoin for their "Free Week" then there's a big chance those guys will pay for a 30d plex before deciding for sure to stay or go. In a way, this is ccp manipulated demand, good or bad, not sure.... They wont provide stats on how many free passes are given out at any said moment. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.04.23 21:58:00 - [42] Who has an interest in seeing PLEX prices go up up up? (Hint: They also have an interest in seeing use of PLEX go down down down.) Who controls the game? Its rather surprising PLEX prices went as low as they did ...
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2010.04.23 23:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Who has an interest in seeing PLEX prices go up up up? (Hint: They also have an interest in seeing use of PLEX go down down down.) Who controls the game? Its rather surprising PLEX prices went as low as they did ... Well, yes, in a way CCP probably does want plex usage to go down. They dont make as much off of 60d codes as the codes sell for, and then after exchange rates are taken into consideration then non-americans (read: those paying by euro) can play eve cheaper using plexes/codes! I would think that the majority of european players who do use plex actually just buy from shattered crystal and apply directly. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !
Driven Marcelli Minmatar Evil Overhead	Posted - 2010.04.24 06:29:00 - [44] Edited by: Driven Marcelli on 24/04/2010 06:33:31 Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Who has an interest in seeing PLEX prices go up up up? (Hint: They also have an interest in seeing use of PLEX go down down down.) Who controls the game? Its rather surprising PLEX prices went as low as they did ... CCP cant realy have it both ways and they know it. if Price goes up (the part CCP wants to see because that means that there RMT alternative is working) the real demand goes down because fewer people want to or can spend that mutch ISK for there account. the only way for prices to keep going up is to somehow increase the ISK per hour income of players, or to somehow perminently convince the part of the playerbase out there that has more ISK than brains that somehow the price of Plex is on a perminent upword spiral and get thoes idiots to constantly buy Plex with Ingame isk thust creating an ever increasing oversupply of non redeamed Plex at ever increasing prices.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.04.24 15:26:00 - [45] Oh, please, these conspiracy theories are complete asspulls and with no basis in logic. CCP doesn't care much either way, and here it's why: * when PLEX prices go up, RMTers become less attractive to use compared to PLEX, so they make more desperate moves and more mistakes, and are easier to catch, which lightens the load on the servers, which means more legitimate customers for same hardware investment, so less cash needs to be spent by CCP * when PLEX prices go down, more people start creating alt accounts (or bringing back some former accounts to active duty), and more active accounts means more cash for CCP If anything, CCP would only have an interest in fluctuating PLEX prices, but hey, they fluctuate naturally either way. If CCP would REALLY want European people to NOT use non-european GTCs, they could just as well "region-lock" the codes they distribute, so, for instance, a subscriber that buys a code from a non-EU site using USD will only be able to use it on an account that uses a non-EU IP... and vice-versa, an EU IP would only be able to use codes purchased from an EU reseller. Or any other number of things they could possibly do, but they don't. Bothering to manipulate PLEX prices in-game for significant effort and negligible effect... it just makes no sense. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Taua Roqa Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.24 16:13:00 - [46] asspulls is a great word!
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.04.24 17:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Taua Roqa asspulls is a great word! I agree with this as well as what Akita said.
Sir SmellyFart State War Academy	Posted - 2010.04.24 18:36:00 - [48] On the account of manipulation, I have seen some local manipulation attempts but they are shortlived. Kind of hard to maintain 345 mil plex prices when 2 jumps away they are 310 in another region. Found some dude trying really hard to buy up as much plex as possible through buyorders and from what I could tell he was clearing out sell orders too. On the whole, prices do seem to be crawling up though.
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2010.04.24 23:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Akita T Oh, please, these conspiracy theories are complete asspulls and with no basis in logic. CCP doesn't care much either way, and here it's why: * when PLEX prices go up, RMTers become less attractive to use compared to PLEX, so they make more desperate moves and more mistakes, and are easier to catch, which lightens the load on the servers, which means more legitimate customers for same hardware investment, so less cash needs to be spent by CCP * when PLEX prices go down, more people start creating alt accounts (or bringing back some former accounts to active duty), and more active accounts means more cash for CCP If anything, CCP would only have an interest in fluctuating PLEX prices, but hey, they fluctuate naturally either way. If CCP would REALLY want European people to NOT use non-european GTCs, they could just as well "region-lock" the codes they distribute, so, for instance, a subscriber that buys a code from a non-EU site using USD will only be able to use it on an account that uses a non-EU IP... and vice-versa, an EU IP would only be able to use codes purchased from an EU reseller. Or any other number of things they could possibly do, but they don't. Bothering to manipulate PLEX prices in-game for significant effort and negligible effect... it just makes no sense. I never said CCP WERE doing it, Just that they would enjoy the benefits of some of the factors of such changes. RMT'ing doesnt create any extra load on servers. Plex prices going down doesnt usually pull people back into the game, not directly at least. I still stand by my original statement howerver, all of these "free week" trials they are giving out is what's probably driving the prices up. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2010.04.25 00:01:00 - [50] You want conspiracy theory? How about-- CCP can create isk out of thin air. Perhaps some of these buy orders are CCP pulling PLEX from the saturated market in preparation for an influx of new gamers and alts that come with summer and expansion? Let's say there are 3000 issued, but unused GTC (note...GTC, not PLEX). I don't know what the markup is for the codes at the retail sites...but let's say CCP makes US$25 per 60-day GTC. As people are quick to point out, the time that players purchase via in-game isk is already paid for in RL cash. CCP has already made it's $75,000 on those codes. Now they create a pile of isk (which costs them nothing) and purchase the converted GTC/PLEX. Now, after a bump in volume...the supply of available PLEX is decreased, prices go up a bit...folks see the rise in price and purchase GTCs (with more RL money.) As long as they don't get carried away, it's a win-win-win (or maybe just a win-win?)...no...it's win-win-win. KB =vinur allra manna My blogs: Tastes Like Chicken EvE Meta-Gaming

Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.04.25 00:11:00 - [51] Edited by: Breaker77 on 25/04/2010 00:11:38 Originally by: DeODokktor RMT'ing doesnt create any extra load on servers. I suggest you read up on unholy rage and the increase in server performace when thousands of macros were banned. Every person online affects the entire cluster and removing a couple thousand macros that are online 23/7 doing nothing but generating ISK to sell is a good thing.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2010.04.25 05:39:00 - [52] Edited by: Lord Fitz on 25/04/2010 05:40:05 The less isk you get for your $35 GTC, the more you need to buy in order to get your shiny new ship. Thus the lower GTC prices, the more people need to buy, as well as the more people are able to create demand by having enough isk to play (or run a second account) using GTCs. So it's very much in CCP's interest to keep prices low. If they're making isk from thin air it only takes one person to reveal this and fairly effectively destroy the entire player base's trust in the game. It's too much of a risk (>300,000 subscribers) for the sake of just a few $.
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2010.04.25 06:00:00 - [53] Originally by: KaarBaak You want conspiracy theory? How about-- CCP can create isk out of thin air. Perhaps some of these buy orders are CCP pulling PLEX from the saturated market in preparation for an influx of new gamers and alts that come with summer and expansion? Let's say there are 3000 issued, but unused GTC (note...GTC, not PLEX). I don't know what the markup is for the codes at the retail sites...but let's say CCP makes US$25 per 60-day GTC. As people are quick to point out, the time that players purchase via in-game isk is already paid for in RL cash. CCP has already made it's $75,000 on those codes. Now they create a pile of isk (which costs them nothing) and purchase the converted GTC/PLEX. Now, after a bump in volume...the supply of available PLEX is decreased, prices go up a bit...folks see the rise in price and purchase GTCs (with more RL money.) As long as they don't get carried away, it's a win-win-win (or maybe just a win-win?)...no...it's win-win-win. It could be said that historically RL seem to imply that a fiat currency and fiddling the markets is a bad thing? Tycoon wannabe go here: SCC Lounge Got Game? Peak a boo...
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2010.04.26 07:25:00 - [54] Left out part of PLEX prices going up that's bad for CCP: Dead accounts because of people not being able to afford them. Going to college full time and being absolutely required to pay with PLEX, I'm maybe staring that in the face right now unless the prices go down fast. And if it does go poof, it will be an unknowable period of time before I can afford to reactivate. Last time, it was a year and a half.
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.04.26 21:35:00 - [55] When the cost of PLEX goes up (in ISK), then less people can afford them (in ISK) and accordingly more people pay cash to play the game. When the cost of PLEX goes down (in ISK), then more people can afford to play "for free" by simply using ISK to pay the cost of playing. The other postulated effects are far less certain and far less persuasive, in my view. This is not to say CCP is acting on this, but I think their financial interest is relatively clear.
Vonlutt Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:05:00 - [56] Originally by: KaarBaak You want conspiracy theory? How about-- CCP can create isk out of thin air. Perhaps some of these buy orders are CCP pulling PLEX from the saturated market in preparation for an influx of new gamers and alts that come with summer and expansion? Let's say there are 3000 issued, but unused GTC (note...GTC, not PLEX). I don't know what the markup is for the codes at the retail sites...but let's say CCP makes US$25 per 60-day GTC. As people are quick to point out, the time that players purchase via in-game isk is already paid for in RL cash. CCP has already made it's $75,000 on those codes. Now they create a pile of isk (which costs them nothing) and purchase the converted GTC/PLEX. Now, after a bump in volume...the supply of available PLEX is decreased, prices go up a bit...folks see the rise in price and purchase GTCs (with more RL money.) As long as they don't get carried away, it's a win-win-win (or maybe just a win-win?)...no...it's win-win-win. Disturbing idea! !
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2010.05.08 03:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist When the cost of PLEX goes up (in ISK), then less people can afford them (in ISK) and accordingly more people pay cash to play the game. When the cost of PLEX goes down (in ISK), then more people can afford to play "for free" by simply using ISK to pay the cost of playing. The other postulated effects are far less certain and far less persuasive, in my view. This is not to say CCP is acting on this, but I think their financial interest is relatively clear. When the cost of PLEX goes up (in ISK), then less people can afford them (in ISK) and accordingly less people (or second/third accounts) PLAY. Every single person the plays, is paid for, in cash, to CCP. Regardless of if they hand over the cash or use a PLEX that someone else paid for. It's in CCP's best interest to have PLEX as low as possible, people need to buy more to get their shiny new titan, people can have more accounts active. Thus there are more accounts playing. Obviously it would be pointless for CCP to 'create' PLEX as these would be lost income (also equally buy orders for PLEX for the same reason). So it's very much in CCP's interest to not influence the market at all in terms of price, but to make it as easy as possible to participate in (since participation will increase volumes transfered without affecting price).
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.08 08:53:00 - [58] Isn't the new big shiny expansion going to be soon? If so no wonder that somebody decided to manipulate PLEXes. Agony Unleashed - zero blues 0.0 pvp, pvp classes


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