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Aka5ha Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Aka5ha on 23/03/2010 19:33:10 EVE will always be a niche game due to the major fact its a game based on net wealth. When nodes are lagging you die, whether to pve, pvp, or just plain npc bugs (friendly npc insta pop). This is the equivalent of playing WoW and losing assets/levels, playing MAG/planetside/CoD MW2/Bad Company and losing levels due to discoing. You can launch all the expansion packs/sub-games you want but if the game mechanic your product relies so heavily upon is broken you will only attract a minimum amount of players. Having these issues at hand your customer support strongly denies they exist and send automated responses to there clientele ignoring they exist. As a team of developers you only half-ass MMO concepts hoping to make headlines only to promote your broken product. So please keep ignoring the obvious and continue press whoring youtube videos of streaming text and static images. Other companies are already in the process of making a much better internet spaceship MMO. ps. The good idea guy in the department responsible for the triple forum verification needs to work at Microsoft. edit: forgot to mention, the solution should be very simple for your network programmers if you have any. By pinging the player's ISP gateway server which disco'd you can tell if that server went down. Then again, that would mean identifying that your software is at fault. Since the ISP never goes down, its your code that causes buffer overflows and closes the players sockets. And the clients software package is poorly designed at handling memory architecture and communicating with operating software security.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:33:00 - [2] u mad? stuff i can has?
Desigre Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:33:00 - [3] Well eve is not for those 95% of people that just dosent use their brain anyways. This takes brain to play unlike, some other unnamed mmo's out there.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:37:00 - [4] Eve is dying ________
Thorn Hallis	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:38:00 - [5] EvE is broken?
Max Queso	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Aka5ha Since the ISP never goes down,... /me gives out a little giggle.
Stray Bullets	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:56:00 - [7] Mate, you seriously have no clue on the networking issues involving in confirming if a client had real connection problems or just removed the network cable from his computer and/or removed power to his home router/modem. Pinging the ISP gateway tells you what? that the ISP is up? how the hell will they know my ISPs gateway? And even if the first hop out of my traceroute out is up... does it mean my local network is up? I can't have problems with my computer or local router? This is a IMPOSSIBLE check, in technical terms, for any game server to make. You either leave the ship in space when the client gets disconnected or you have some sort of failsafe that protects players when it does happen... either one is open to exploit. The current is exploited by logoff tactics... if we had the other... well, it would happen has it happened in a FPS that I used to play, where the players would get DDOS attacks when starting to play, making the network connection fail or be ubber lagged, thus losing the match. You might go on about how I'd get that IP address, but that is something that CAN be achieved.... unlike checking with any degree of assertivity if a client disconnect is legit or not!
Takseen	Posted - 2010.03.23 20:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Aka5ha Edited by: Aka5ha on 23/03/2010 19:33:10 EVE will always be a niche game due to the major fact its a game based on net wealth. When nodes are lagging you die, whether to pve, pvp, or just plain npc bugs (friendly npc insta pop). This is the equivalent of playing WoW and losing assets/levels, playing MAG/planetside/CoD MW2/Bad Company and losing levels due to discoing. You think disconnects don't have lasting consequences in other MMOs? Eve's system is actually fairly generous in the way it autowarps you away to a safespot. In most games you just log back to your corpse.
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2010.03.23 20:48:00 - [9] Because of Falcon
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Aka5ha Buhu... I cry when I lose my virtual internet spacegame money First of all, you apparently do not know anything about internet networking... Most often when connections get lost is it BETWEEN you and your ISP! Pinging their gateway will do exactly nothing! Secondly, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a niche game! If you're a niche game who's completely alone in your segment, you got it all to yourself! It may not be a big segment, but you do not have to furiously compete with other companies (Blizzard comes to mind) for the same fickle customers. If EVE tried to compete in the 'My little pony' MMO sphere (which includes WoW), it WOULD die because it'd lose all the players who like there to be consequences, and it would lose the rest to the flavour of the month! EVE is ruling its niche like the king of kings! There's nothing else in the 'your-actions-have-consequences' niche, and nothing on the scope. The few who've tried have died miserably since EVE IS stable, complex, big, rich in content, and relatively balanced. It is very hard for a new game to compete with 10 years of working code! Third, your 'solution' is so laughably easy to circumvent.... I pull out my network cable = I get free reimbursement! Everyone would do that every time they were dying. Fourth.... I've played for about 5 years now, and haven't even once lost a ship to disconnect. Lost plenty of ships to PvP, but never to a disconnect. They simply don't happen that often. I DID have a lot of disconnects recently (more like the entire computer crashing), and suspected EVE. It was not EVE, but my out-of-date firewall that Micro$oft XP SP3 had screwed up. Fifth... No other company is in the process of making a better space MMO. STO is currently fail cascading, and nothing else apart from Jumpgate seems remotely close, and JG seems to be floundering. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Aka5ha Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Aka5ha Buhu... I cry when I lose my virtual internet spacegame money First of all, you apparently do not know anything about internet networking... Most often when connections get lost is it BETWEEN you and your ISP! Pinging their gateway will do exactly nothing! Secondly, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a niche game! If you're a niche game who's completely alone in your segment, you got it all to yourself! It may not be a big segment, but you do not have to furiously compete with other companies (Blizzard comes to mind) for the same fickle customers. If EVE tried to compete in the 'My little pony' MMO sphere (which includes WoW), it WOULD die because it'd lose all the players who like there to be consequences, and it would lose the rest to the flavour of the month! EVE is ruling its niche like the king of kings! There's nothing else in the 'your-actions-have-consequences' niche, and nothing on the scope. The few who've tried have died miserably since EVE IS stable, complex, big, rich in content, and relatively balanced. It is very hard for a new game to compete with 10 years of working code! Third, your 'solution' is so laughably easy to circumvent.... I pull out my network cable = I get free reimbursement! Everyone would do that every time they were dying. Fourth.... I've played for about 5 years now, and haven't even once lost a ship to disconnect. Lost plenty of ships to PvP, but never to a disconnect. They simply don't happen that often. I DID have a lot of disconnects recently (more like the entire computer crashing), and suspected EVE. It was not EVE, but my out-of-date firewall that Micro$oft XP SP3 had screwed up. Fifth... No other company is in the process of making a better space MMO. STO is currently fail cascading, and nothing else apart from Jumpgate seems remotely close, and JG seems to be floundering. it never fails, some cheese and crumpet eating euro always has to defend ccp
Ma'kal The Imperial Commonwealth Damage Control II	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:49:00 - [12] Eve is dieing again?! I just rejoined.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Aka5ha it never fails, some cheese and crumpet eating euro always has to defend ccp So you obviously agree with his points, then, since you have no counter-argument and therefore have to rely on ad hominems. You might want to edit your OP to reflect this fact. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Venetta Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Aka5ha edit: forgot to mention, the solution should be very simple for your network programmers if you have any. By pinging the player's ISP gateway server which disco'd you can tell if that server went down. Then again, that would mean identifying that your software is at fault. Since the ISP never goes down, its your code that causes buffer overflows and closes the players sockets. And the clients software package is poorly designed at handling memory architecture and communicating with operating software security. lol so there you have it CCP. Creators of the most innovative MMO in the world. Your problems are solved now that Aka5ha has introduced you to the technologically advanced world of the ICMP Echo request, sometimes called the 'ping'. No offense Aka5ha, but are you a bit simple?
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Aka5ha it never fails, some cheese and crumpet eating euro always has to defend ccp it never fails, some low-rent, low-IQ, poop-throwing fool always has to attack the company whose game they are playing. Wish I was that cool :( . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:03:00 - [16] I agree; the Drake does need nerfing.
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Wacktopia I agree; the Drake does need nerfing. I think target painting needs a nerf to be honest.
Shrike Arghast	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Aka5ha Edited by: Aka5ha on 23/03/2010 19:33:10 EVE will always be a niche game due to the major fact its a game based on net wealth. When nodes are lagging you die, whether to pve, pvp, or just plain npc bugs (friendly npc insta pop). This is the equivalent of playing WoW and losing assets/levels, playing MAG/planetside/CoD MW2/Bad Company and losing levels due to discoing. You can launch all the expansion packs/sub-games you want but if the game mechanic your product relies so heavily upon is broken you will only attract a minimum amount of players. Having these issues at hand your customer support strongly denies they exist and send automated responses to there clientele ignoring they exist. As a team of developers you only half-ass MMO concepts hoping to make headlines only to promote your broken product. So please keep ignoring the obvious and continue press whoring youtube videos of streaming text and static images. Other companies are already in the process of making a much better internet spaceship MMO. ps. The good idea guy in the department responsible for the triple forum verification needs to work at Microsoft. edit: forgot to mention, the solution should be very simple for your network programmers if you have any. By pinging the player's ISP gateway server which disco'd you can tell if that server went down. Then again, that would mean identifying that your software is at fault. Since the ISP never goes down, its your code that causes buffer overflows and closes the players sockets. And the clients software package is poorly designed at handling memory architecture and communicating with operating software security. Then don't play. I think a lot of us actually like that EVE isn't WoW in space. I played Blizzard's rat-trap for five years, and I ultimately concluded that it was Disney World Online. I could log in, ride the rides, see the sights, and even punch Mickey in the jaw, but in the end nothing ever changed - my actions had no effect. The sandbox nature of the EVE universe is its most excellent attribute - and EVE's world, just like the real world, is a hard, cold, unforgiving place. Don't like it? I don't care.
Ori Linn	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:32:00 - [19] Edited by: Ori Linn on 23/03/2010 22:32:49 Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Wacktopia I agree; the Drake does need nerfing. I think target painting needs a nerf to be honest. I personally dont think I've picked up Carrot Top enough times! Im sure I could run that mission 500 more times without it getting boring! Less missions please!
Drakarian HackCheck	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:35:00 - [20] ISP never goes down!? lol! Maybe once Google enters the ISP arena...until then ISP's DO go down. If you think ANYTHING about eve i simple, that shows you really don't know what you're talking about.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Wacktopia I agree; the Drake does need nerfing. I think target painting needs a nerf to be honest. It's not that it needs to be nerfed – it's just a bit old and could use an update. Bring on target photography! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Aerilis Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:39:00 - [22] Yes, several things in this game are bad, broken, easily fixed yet constantly ignored by CCP. Why? Beats me. But the concept of Eve is so solid, so attractive, that this niche, US, will keep coming back for more. That said, what did you except to accomplish with this post besides trolls and flames? ------------------------------ [WTS] Dominix Navy Issues - 500M
S'qarpium D'igil	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Aka5ha it never fails, some cheese and crumpet eating euro always has to defend ccp 1.) I like EVE; even in it's niche market where children are not welcome. 2.) I am not a Euro 3.) People like you embarrass me and thus I wish I was euro (so as not to be associated with you) ... 10.) I like cheese and crumpets (not necessarily together)
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.03.23 23:12:00 - [24] You know.. people who 'know' the answer for everything - like "Why EVE is broken" - tend to be nailed to wooden crosses.. ah err, that was centuries ago.. get flamed and trolled on the forums.
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.03.23 23:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Wacktopia I agree; the Drake does need nerfing. I think target painting needs a nerf to be honest. Nerf nerfing!
Ard UnjiiGo The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.03.23 23:17:00 - [26] In stunning announcement, Op confirms he forgot first rule of EVE: Never fly what you can't afford to lose.
Steve Celeste Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.03.23 23:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Aka5ha And the clients software package is poorly designed at handling memory architecture and communicating with operating software security. OK mister.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.03.23 23:57:00 - [28] MEDIUM SHADER!!!! ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
WhiteSavage Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.24 00:14:00 - [29] Considering most mmo servers allow 1000 people to be online at once, and eve allows over 50k with hundreds within a single system all exploding... You know seemingly little about software and the QA process. your words fall flat sir. And I am American. But you can call me euro too if it makes you happy
igil	Posted - 2010.03.24 00:45:00 - [30] EVE melts my graphics card if I turn on "interval immediate..." Talk about broken software!

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