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Ascrethy
Gallente Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:28:00 -
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Title says it all, I for one as many have have taken a stint out of EvE for a few months at a time only to come back and really wish I'd kept training for that SP I'm now missing.
I for one would like the option to pay for previous months and get a bulk amount of unallocated SP to use (I roughly worked this out to average 1.25M sp/ 30 days)
I doubt this will ever happen but I can dream can't I?
/discuss As I walked through the valley of the shadow of death, I did fear no evil, as I carried a big stick, and was the meanest mofo in the valley |
meat vapour
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:33:00 -
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omg... please find a sharp object and run into with your face.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ascrethy Title says it all, I for one as many have have taken a stint out of EvE for a few months at a time only to come back and really wish I'd kept training for that SP I'm now missing.
I for one would like the option to pay for previous months and get a bulk amount of unallocated SP to use (I roughly worked this out to average 1.25M sp/ 30 days)
I doubt this will ever happen but I can dream can't I?
/discuss
Short answer: No! Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooo! Agressive answer: NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NONONONONONONONONOOOOO!!!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:40:00 -
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[sarcasm] Why stop there ? Go on and allow people to buy SP "a la carte" in whatever skills they want from the moment they first create the account ! I'm sure that would be attractive to many, and would make CCP a lot of money ! At first anyway. [/sarcasm]
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Ascrethy
Gallente Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T [sarcasm] Why stop there ? Go on and allow people to buy SP "a la carte" in whatever skills they want from the moment they first create the account ! I'm sure that would be attractive to many, and would make CCP a lot of money ! At first anyway. [/sarcasm]
No this I disagree with ... even give the sarcastic undertone,
Say in 08 you pay for Jan -> mar, miss march and play April -> rest of the year, with the option to get March's SP, but like remaps this would need careful limiting, so you can't just get someone registering a char and 4 years later bulk buying all the SP ... this is not what I meant in the least. As I walked through the valley of the shadow of death, I did fear no evil, as I carried a big stick, and was the meanest mofo in the valley |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ascrethy this is not what I meant in the least.
It certainly sounded that way though. You'd probably need to give many more examples and limitations and argue as to why it WON'T possibly be leading to a "slippery slope" ending up exactly in what was described above sarcastically.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T [sarcasm] Why stop there ? Go on and allow people to buy SP "a la carte" in whatever skills they want from the moment they first create the account ! I'm sure that would be attractive to many, and would make CCP a lot of money ! At first anyway. [/sarcasm]
I am sure that some other game companies *cough* *cough* already would have introduced tons of micro-transactions like $5 for boosting learning speed 2 days, or $10 for completing any skilllevel instantly etc. etc.
If CCP would want to milk everything out of Eve and if they wouldn't care about the game itself (except for bringing in cash) we would have seen all that long ago already.
Gladly CCP is different and they truely care about Eve and all the cash-cowing is not going to happen (anytime soon at least).
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:28:00 -
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Dumb idea.
It should obviously be an in-game service, which would take two seconds to make up a sensible RP basis of, and act as another nice ISK sink.
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:34:00 -
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Why stop there? For a little extra $, you should be able to have someone else play the game for you.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Esu Nahalas Why stop there? For a little extra $, you should be able to have someone else play the game for you.
They'd just do it wrong and I'd have to log in and fix their mistakes anyway. --Vel
Originally by: Jiseinoku
Mining is the path to enlightement.
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Krist Valentine
Amarr Diablo Advocatus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:44:00 -
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this idea comes up in some form every now and then. i hope ccp never eevvvverrr listen to it cause itd be a gamebreaker. this character's existed since early 06 but ive only been active for probably 2 years of that-sure, id like to have more skills and money than i do but that doesnt mean i wanna use weird metagaming mechanics to just instantly double my skills. sounds like a gamebreaker to me
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Wilma JugsJiggle
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: meat vapour omg... please find a sharp object and run into with your face.
You accidentally a word from your reply.
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Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:45:00 -
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Why not just buy pre-trained accounts? You could pay CCP ú500 for a pre-made titan pilot. How awesome would that be!
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Stray Bullets
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:52:00 -
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WTB SPs!
Post offers!
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Captian Conrad
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Stray Bullets WTB SPs!
Post offers!
WTB Dev Hax for SP Sales!
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Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:01:00 -
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Hi,
Instead of spending hours taking down a POS, can I just pay CCP to have it taken down?
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Aerilis
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:12:00 -
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Ok I'm gonna get flamed to hell and back for this... but why not?
It sounds like its just vets vs. noobs, noobs want a way to catch up, vets want to maintain their elitism... I've been around for more than two years, so I'd say I'm somewhere in between. This issue doesn't really stir my genitals the way it has with some of the other posters here, and if CCP came up to me and asked if this was a good idea, I would say don't do it because it doesn't feel like something I want and I don't want to potentially disrupt current game mechanics over an issue I don't particularly care about.
That said, I don't see whats wrong with buying SP with PLEX or regular GTC's back up to your character creation date. You can already buy SP by buying other characters, this would just let you choose your name and such.
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Quantum Antomata
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aerilis Ok I'm gonna get flamed to hell and back for this... but why not?
It sounds like its just vets vs. noobs, noobs want a way to catch up, vets want to maintain their elitism... I've been around for more than two years, so I'd say I'm somewhere in between. This issue doesn't really stir my genitals the way it has with some of the other posters here, and if CCP came up to me and asked if this was a good idea, I would say don't do it because it doesn't feel like something I want and I don't want to potentially disrupt current game mechanics over an issue I don't particularly care about.
That said, I don't see whats wrong with buying SP with PLEX or regular GTC's back up to your character creation date. You can already buy SP by buying other characters, this would just let you choose your name and such.
There is no concept of "catching up." In terms of pvp, 50 people in noob ships with minimum skills can take out a BS just as easily as 2 maxed skilled BS pilots duking it out.
OP is a dumbass.
To summerize, no, OP you're an idiot.
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Aerilis
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Quantum Antomata
There is no concept of "catching up." In terms of pvp, 50 people in noob ships with minimum skills can take out a BS just as easily as 2 maxed skilled BS pilots duking it out.
OP is a dumbass.
To summerize, no, OP you're an idiot.
To summerize, you still have not provided a single solid reason as to how this will negatively affect your gameplay experience.
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nether void
Caldari Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:33:00 -
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Sounds good to me. You can already buy plex and then buy a character anyway. Just cut out the middle man. Also, it would allow you to have exactly the SP expenditure you want instead of what someone else wanted.
The game isn't really about SP anyway. It's about how you make ISK and how well you pvp. If some guy wants to drop 60 bucks to get to caps right away its his money and his cap. Nice to be able to just plop that on your main instead of having to sell your main and buy a new one. Or worse an alt.
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ascrethy Title says it all,
Please review the title of the thread, read it out loud, then fix it.
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: nether void Sounds good to me. You can already buy plex and then buy a character anyway. Just cut out the middle man. Also, it would allow you to have exactly the SP expenditure you want instead of what someone else wanted.
The game isn't really about SP anyway. It's about how you make ISK and how well you pvp. If some guy wants to drop 60 bucks to get to caps right away its his money and his cap. Nice to be able to just plop that on your main instead of having to sell your main and buy a new one. Or worse an alt.
The difference is that by boosting one's SP, you decrease the value of high SP characters and increase the "median playing field" when it comes to SP, whereas with buying PLEXes for $$ and buying an existing character with the ISK, the scarcity of high SP characters remain unchanged.
Not only that, but newcomers who wouldn't "buy SPs" would be left out in the cold an unable to participate.
Those are the main reasons why artificially inflating SPs is a bad idea.
Meissa Anunthiel PS: Vote for me next CSM elections ;-) There is no signature |
Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aerilis
Originally by: Quantum Antomata
There is no concept of "catching up." In terms of pvp, 50 people in noob ships with minimum skills can take out a BS just as easily as 2 maxed skilled BS pilots duking it out.
OP is a dumbass.
To summerize, no, OP you're an idiot.
To summerize, you still have not provided a single solid reason as to how this will negatively affect your gameplay experience.
Part of gaming "rewards", are accomplishments achieved. Putting this in game would go a long way towards ruining that concept (in my eyes).
There is a simple way to *get* those SP's, pay... Either keep your account subscribed, or buy another toon...
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Aerilis
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Daemonspirit
Originally by: Aerilis
Originally by: Quantum Antomata
There is no concept of "catching up." In terms of pvp, 50 people in noob ships with minimum skills can take out a BS just as easily as 2 maxed skilled BS pilots duking it out.
OP is a dumbass.
To summerize, no, OP you're an idiot.
To summerize, you still have not provided a single solid reason as to how this will negatively affect your gameplay experience.
Part of gaming "rewards", are accomplishments achieved. Putting this in game would go a long way towards ruining that concept (in my eyes).
There is a simple way to *get* those SP's, pay... Either keep your account subscribed, or buy another toon...
If you were arguing against character sales as well, then this would make sense. But there is a way to get many MORE SP than those you missed simply because you stopped playing for a month.
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nether void
Caldari Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.03.24 16:19:00 -
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But the general arguement from vets as to why there is no disparity between vets and noobs is that 'the amount of SP makes little difference', so using that arguement...let people buy SP? Vets can't use that arguement when it benefits them and then flame the exact same arguement when it's used against them.
And who cares that the amount of high SP characters goes up? It doesn't change the fact that truely SP doesn't matter. What matters is how smart you are about making ISK, and how well you fly in pvp. Time in ship is what matters.
So the arguement against is basically 'we don't want noobs to catch up'? Or 'we want to be able to sell characters to noobs'? Doesn't sound like everyone is getting what they want. Sounds like vets get what they want, noobs get **** on.
BTW this char is from 2004. I would not buy SP for real money. I think spending more than the sub in any game is ******ed. Others would spend the money, and IMO that's fine with me. Doesn't change my experience at all. Actually it would probably keep people playing. I know many times the reason I've quit is because I'm bored of my current ships or whatever it is I was doing in the game and don't really want to sit around for 1 to 3 months or more waiting for my stupid SP to tick...tick...tick. Players cancel and probably never come back. Why would they? They still have the 1 to 3 months of waiting.
And subbing to a game for 1 to 3 months without ever logging in except to change skills is just a waste of RL time. Time nobody will ever get back. Time the person is probably just spending in some other game anyway. Maybe they'll get sick of waiting and never come back to EVE anyway. (I would think everyone would rather avoid that - mainly CCP) Let someone pay real money to gain back that RL time. Cut out the stupid 1 to 3 months of 'waiting in line', so to speak. If they aren't logging in anyway and instead just basically 'waiting it out', who cares that they spend maybe double or triple the sub cost to get rid of that stupid 'wait for no reason' mechanic?
And again, they're already doing that if they buy plex and then use that to buy an already built character.
So really the reason vets don't want this is they're selling characters to people.
Maybe instead what they could do is allow people to cut off chunks of SP learned from characters and sell that block of raw SP. Someone buys it with ISK, and then allots it to whatever character they like. Everyone's happy!
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Demolishar
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:07:00 -
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No, the noobs must stay noobs so the vets have something to wtfpwn.
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ColdChimera
Gallente JCB Industries Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: ColdChimera on 24/03/2010 17:53:23
Originally by: Aerilis
Originally by: Quantum Antomata
There is no concept of "catching up." In terms of pvp, 50 people in noob ships with minimum skills can take out a BS just as easily as 2 maxed skilled BS pilots duking it out.
OP is a dumbass.
To summerize, no, OP you're an idiot.
To summerize, you still have not provided a single solid reason as to how this will negatively affect your gameplay experience.
My arguement is that why should someone buy something that (most)the rest of us have put months/years into training for? I dont fully support the buying of toons, but atleast with that, as Meissa Anunthiel pointed out, the number of high SP toons stays the same. EVE is one of the few games where you have to actually work for what you want. Its what makes EVE.
SP buying would ruin the game and should not even be considered. --------------
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:51:00 -
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What a barmy concept. Simple put, No Pay No Play, No Play = No Training
They took out ghost training, agree with this or not, it was done, so basically tough.
Why should you have the benefit of being able to not bother logging in for a while, then deciding ok, it's time to log in and see what skills you can buy, hey I could have trained Carrier 5 in the time I've been off, Hi CCP, here's my card details, can I have 1x Carrier 5 please.
Only if, and it's a big only if, the missed skill time is charged at at least double the normal game time price should it be even thought about. It would require big changes in the game coding unless it was done be a real person who would have to process the order, and how can you possibly work out how many skill points you should have, since training is dependent on your attributes and the primary & secondary attributes required for the skill?
Talk about character farming opportunities, start a char, let it expire and then come back a year later with a boatload of sp's to spend?
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Blas Phemy
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:57:00 -
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1. buy GTC¦s 2. sell them for isk on forums 3. buy "uber PvP no wasted SP" Pilot 4. ??????? 5. profit
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:57:00 -
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You can buy all the sp you want in the character bazaar.
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