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Land0 CaIrissian Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:58:00 - [1] Do the chances of escalations change in Havens/Sanctums depending on the shiptype you bring in? I'm fairly certain it's not the case, but I've noticed that when farming these in carriers I've never gotten an escalation, nor a faction spawn at the end. When usually in sup-caps, I've gotten many, many faction spawns and seen quite a few escalations. Thanks!
RavenPaine	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:36:00 - [2] Edited by: RavenPaine on 24/03/2010 17:39:33 I have a theory , but first: I have wondered about plexes and anomalies for awhile. Like, is there an "order" to shoot things , or a bunker that triggers something ? Do ship types affect it? Does number of pilots affect it ? Does waiting till another day change it? Also, I get pi**ed off when a Shadow or Dread rat drops...NOTHING! Seems like a named rat shouldn't even spawn if its got nothing extra to add. In the end though, my theory gets down to this: I think the mission/site is programmed to do the exact same thing , no matter how you fly it. I think when you land on site and trigger it , the outcome is pre-determined by prior programming. Some are programmed with escalations , (20%?), some are not. I could be wrong , or half right , its just a theory. RavenPaine/Always Learning
triafrenum	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:07:00 - [3] Edited by: triafrenum on 24/03/2010 18:07:56 I got bored and ran high sec anoms in a tengu for a while. I found that only Guristas den's escalated (got 3 out of 100ish) and all others just had a faction spawn (about 1 in 10 gave a spawn and 1 out of 3 spawns dropped a faction mod or implant).
Land0 CaIrissian Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:37:00 - [4] Edited by: Land0 CaIrissian on 24/03/2010 18:37:24 Raven: I do think they are pre-determined, it has just been startling that the only variable in my running has been BS or carrier. My sample size must be too small. I partly agree with the crappy drops you get from that lone BS at the end, however, I can live with it when the bounties are high. Maybe I'm just on an unlucky streak. I've found that, on a good day, I can run 50 sanctums and get 15 faction spawns (the drops are usually worthless, but I'll take the bounties any day). Suddenly with carriers, however, I never see faction spawns anymore. I'll start taking more detailed notes on them and hopefully see a pattern emerge. edit: clarity
Oli Robbo Gallente Entity. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.03.24 19:45:00 - [5] Please link the system you 'farm' these in and also contact me next time when you're running one in your carrier. I would like to come say hello. thanks
Marzuki Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.03.24 19:53:00 - [6] Same here.
Land0 CaIrissian Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.24 20:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Oli Robbo Please link the system you 'farm' these in and also contact me next time when you're running one in your carrier. I would like to come say hello. thanks Add me to your addressbook and convo me ingame, anytime. We would be happy to accommodate you and your friends.
RootEmerger	Posted - 2010.03.25 12:42:00 - [8] Anoms have a really low chance of excalation, the trigger is always a faction spawn. Unrated combat sites have a good (more than 10%) chance of excalation, trigger could be faction spawn or overseer building (is always classified as overseer building, not large collidable on overview) - I've noticed that when the site excalate there's a faction spawn even if the trigger is the building (could be that the excalation get triggered by the last of the two killed, dunno as I go always for the faction spawn first). Ded rated sites dunno about chances of excalation, never happened till now to me.
Berenices Herculina Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.26 11:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Oli Robbo Please link the system you 'farm' these in and also contact me next time when you're running one in your carrier. I would like to come say hello. thanks Everyone are running sanctums in carriers now you fool.
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.26 13:15:00 - [10] I have not got any escalation from any anomaly either so far. Some of my characters are in carriers. My dataset is too small to claim correlation between having carrier in anomaly and not getting escalations. Only thing I can so far claim is that probability of escalation is lower than 14%. Then again it makes sense that this probability is lower than that regardless of the ship I'm in.

Iwannah Spankjoo Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.26 15:27:00 - [11] From the last 100 Sansha Sanctums I've ran with Apocalypse/Paladin, I've had one 10/10 escalation.
DiamondX Minmatar More-Cowbell Cult of War	Posted - 2010.03.28 21:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Oli Robbo Please link the system you 'farm' these in and also contact me next time when you're running one in your carrier. I would like to come say hello. thanks FYD-TO, please come DT-00 ET as I am online during those hours. Remember to bring your friends in officer fitted ships please.
Bloody Rabbit	Posted - 2010.03.29 00:32:00 - [13] I am new to the whole running sites in 0.0 but for the last week I have grinded a few hundred sites all havens and sanctum and not one escalated. Then at the same time, people in my corp that run the sites in subcaps and not grinding like me have pulled 5 so far, about one per day. Not sure if its just my luck or running against the odds or what ever but I am switching out of the carriers as its not as profitable as getting escalations.
Vlad Wormwing StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.29 07:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Iwannah Spankjoo From the last 100 Sansha Sanctums I've ran with Apocalypse/Paladin, I've had one 10/10 escalation. That gives roughly 1% propability of getting an escalation. However with that sample size the deviation is around 10 % still ;) For approx 5% error margin you need sample size of ~400. For approx 1% error margin you need sample size of ~10 000. As rough 'rule of thumb' your error margin is 1/sqrt(sample size). Ofc it's kinda simplified, but good enough as thumb rule.
Dillon Arklight Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.29 07:53:00 - [15] I've maybe run 15 sanctums in my carrier and haven't had an escalation or faction spawn. Its a relatively low sample and im not complaining as running anomolies in a carrier, while risky if not done right, has a great isk to time ratio. Co-host of PODDED Podcast http://podded.libsyn.com/
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.29 16:31:00 - [16] I dont think anyone has big enough sample size currently to show correlation between sitting in carrier and getting or not getting escalations. The sanctums/havens under the new system are so fresh that even if one runs them more or less nonstop then sample size of one person would not be good enough to establish the propability of getting escalation from one with anything resembling accuracy. It is possible that if someone has managed to mobilize either bigger corporation or reasonable portion of some alliance to collect data the sample size might be good enough to estimate the ballpark of propability for things like getting faction spawn or escalation from haven/sanctum. I find it unlikely tho that anyone has bothered or been able to mobilize enough guys to mine data.
RabbitofDoom	Posted - 2010.03.29 17:42:00 - [17] Also it might be possible that factions spawns rates are different for a various rat types anomalies. I might be wrong considering that my sample sizes are quite small but for angel ones i had faction spawn rates around 3% for sanctum/haven. While in sansha anomalies it was close to 8%. Still those are within error margin for sample size.
Iwannah Spankjoo Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:34:00 - [18] Indeed, it would require a lot more data to get any kind of accuracy. My True Sansha/Sanctum is at 4%.
keola M	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:36:00 - [19] I've ran many many plexes and for some reason.. I've never gotten a faction spawn.. I'm using a tech 3 protues pve god tank.. (can succesfully tank players too with it!) but, I do sanctum after sanctum.. and i spend like 1 hour doing it.. and get almost no drops... and I never get faction things.. i still might make 40mil off bounties.. but, eveything else sucks! why is this!?
Astald Ohtar Tous Pour Un Une Pour Tous	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:48:00 - [20] the system real security may be?

Arakhas	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Astald Ohtar the system real security may be? its an yupgraded system regardless it get the station sanctum spawns.. the hard ones.. and i've done true sansha sacntums in deep deep 0.0 and the only time I eve got a faction spawn was while i was ratting in my ishkur like a year ago.
Czeris Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.06.03 01:35:00 - [22] Originally by: RootEmerger Anoms have a really low chance of excalation, the trigger is always a faction spawn. Unrated combat sites have a good (more than 10%) chance of excalation, trigger could be faction spawn or overseer building (is always classified as overseer building, not large collidable on overview) - I've noticed that when the site excalate there's a faction spawn even if the trigger is the building (could be that the excalation get triggered by the last of the two killed, dunno as I go always for the faction spawn first). Ded rated sites dunno about chances of excalation, never happened till now to me. Wrong stuff: the trigger is not always a faction spawn, it is often a regular ship in the last wave. DED rated sites do not escalate. Ever. Chance for escalation on a regular anomaly is 1-2% (my sample is still too small for more accuracy). What you fly, how many people you bring, whether your socks match, what day of the week it is, whether the moon is full, etc. have no affect on the chance for escalation.
Rahnim	Posted - 2010.06.03 01:47:00 - [23] I have had "The Maze" as escalation in Sanctum while running with my carrier, I have had a friend get it while he was with me (he was also in a carrier) as late as last morning I had a dread (faction) spawn in a sanctum... and I recall at least 5 other dread spawns within this month. but honestly I don't care about the faction spawns that much, when I can finish a sanctum in 20 mins alone :P (the rings)


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