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Faffywaffy	Posted - 2010.03.25 08:42:00 - [1] Basic analysis of Vagabond vs. Cynabal. Cynabal: Extra midslot allows a much wider range of fittings. Significantly more agile. With 2 nanofibers, can usually warp before being pointed by an interceptor. Larger drone bay and bandwidth - 50 vs. 25. More powergrid - much easier fitting. 4 guns vs. 5 means you can overheat longer. Higher scan resolution. Slightly higher sensor strength. Easier to train for (Gallente Cruiser vs HAC). Looks awesome and scares opponents into submission by its mere presence on the field. Vagabond: Native T2 resists, which means better survivability when remote-repped and/or neuted. More cap-stable (assuming an invuln-fit Cynabal). Bigger cargohold (for loot). Warps faster (3.75au/s vs. 3au/s). About 40mil cheaper at the moment. Not as scary, so hostiles are more willing to engage it. Not as juicy of a target in fleet fights. Did I forget anything?
le bamba	Posted - 2010.03.25 08:52:00 - [2] cynabal gets much more falloff imo
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2010.03.25 08:55:00 - [3] Originally by: le bamba cynabal gets much more falloff imo No, they both get 10% per skill level (HAC for Vaga, Gallente Cruiser for Cynabal).
Stygian Knight Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.03.25 08:55:00 - [4] - Bigger cargohold (for loot). [lol - More cap-stable (assuming an invuln-fit Cynabal).(bad fit) - Warps faster (3.75au/s vs. 3au/s). Cynabal warps faster - Not as scary, so hostiles are more willing to engage it. [lol - Not as juicy of a target in fleet fights. [lol Only advantage vagabond have is t2 resists which cynabal should compensate with t2 rigs + 1 more LSE P.S. petition to remove Cynabal bpo
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2010.03.25 10:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Faffywaffy on 25/03/2010 10:05:20 Originally by: Stygian Knight - Warps faster (3.75au/s vs. 3au/s). Cynabal warps faster Someone needs to take their 2nd grade math again. On short warps, where alignment time dominates, the Cynabal will get there faster. On longer warps, the Vagabond will overtake it.
Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2010.03.25 10:20:00 - [6] Vagabond description says it should be the fastest cruiser in eve. Its not. CCP SHOULD fix that. Make vagabond a tiny bit faster (5% ). Otherwise vagabond is now a worthless ship (when compared to cynabal). On the case of BOTH cynabal and vigilant ccp forgot their pirate shisp went straight into the HACs toes and simply made the deimos (That already was bad) and the vagabond useless.
Stygian Knight Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.03.25 10:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Faffywaffy Edited by: Faffywaffy on 25/03/2010 10:05:20 Originally by: Stygian Knight - Warps faster (3.75au/s vs. 3au/s). Cynabal warps faster Someone needs to take their 2nd grade math again. On short warps, where alignment time dominates, the Cynabal will get there faster. On longer warps, the Vagabond will overtake it. dude, who gives a fuk who warps faster, what matters is who aligns faster !
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Stygian Knight dude, who gives a fuk who warps faster, what matters is who aligns faster ! In some situations it's important (such as chasing a hostile gang, running away from one, burning towards a hostile carrier tackled 40 jumps away etc.)
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:07:00 - [9] i dont think anyone would get a vaga over a cyna because it warped 25% faster.
Slade Hoo Amarr Corpse Collection Point	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Slade Hoo on 25/03/2010 11:15:17 Edited by: Slade Hoo on 25/03/2010 11:11:51 Originally by: le bamba cynabal gets much more falloff imo Well ok....+10% Falloff because Cynabal usually fits 425s instead of 220s. "much more falloff is kinda much different. Originally by: Faffywaffy Basic analysis of Vagabond vs. Cynabal. Vagabond: Native T2 resists, which means better survivability when remote-repped and/or neuted. remote rep yes. Neuted? why? EHP is EHP...regardless of t2 resists or not. Vaga has its weakness on kin/expl and cynabal on em/therm. @Faffywaffy: Whats your fitting? I already know of 2x Nanofiber and an invul field ------ Make Lowsec useful! Vote in the CSM-Forum!

Stygian Knight Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Faffywaffy In some situations it's important (such as chasing a hostile gang, running away from one, burning towards a hostile carrier tackled 40 jumps away etc.) it's ALIGN TIME that's important, NOT WARPING SPEED. lulz oh wait, why would i run away from hostile gang if i look awesome and scares opponents into submission by its mere presence on the field.
Tian Nu Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Seishi Maru Vagabond description says it should be the fastest cruiser in eve. Its not. CCP SHOULD fix that. Make vagabond a tiny bit faster (5% ). Otherwise vagabond is now a worthless ship (when compared to cynabal). On the case of BOTH cynabal and vigilant ccp forgot their pirate shisp went straight into the HACs toes and simply made the deimos (That already was bad) and the vagabond useless. Vaga is mucho faster that cyn, maxed skilled vaga pilot whith two nano (no implants) make it go over 3100 km/s while cyn cant even reach 2500 km/s (whith same skills) mostly cos ppl use 425 guns and doing so fit tracking mods in lows. After i seen so many posts on forum i actualy got in one well was back in vaga 30 min later. I take it this way vaga ask for more skills at lvl 5, so cyn is kind for low sp pilots. And no you can argue all you want is not as efectiff as the vaga.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Tian Nu Vaga is mucho faster that cyn, maxed skilled vaga pilot whith two nano (no implants) make it go over 3100 km/s while cyn cant even reach 2500 km/s (whith same skills) mostly cos ppl use 425 guns and doing so fit tracking mods in lows. wiht 2 nanos each the cyna is a tiny bit faster with a massivky better align time. flying a vaga is like flying a really fast cruiser, flying a cyna is like flying a fast frigate. but whatever, dont buy and fly cynabals they are sucky. more for me \o/
le bamba	Posted - 2010.03.25 12:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Faffywaffy Originally by: le bamba cynabal gets much more falloff imo No, they both get 10% per skill level (HAC for Vaga, Gallente Cruiser for Cynabal). so u can fit 425 acs and 2 te on your vaga without gimping your setup?
Tian Nu Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.25 13:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Tian Nu Vaga is mucho faster that cyn, maxed skilled vaga pilot whith two nano (no implants) make it go over 3100 km/s while cyn cant even reach 2500 km/s (whith same skills) mostly cos ppl use 425 guns and doing so fit tracking mods in lows. wiht 2 nanos each the cyna is a tiny bit faster with a massivky better align time. flying a vaga is like flying a really fast cruiser, flying a cyna is like flying a fast frigate. but whatever, dont buy and fly cynabals they are sucky. more for me \o/ well more KM for me i guss you using two nano will make you use 220's cos 425 won't track = one more gun for me = guss what.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.03.25 13:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Tian Nu Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Tian Nu Vaga is mucho faster that cyn, maxed skilled vaga pilot whith two nano (no implants) make it go over 3100 km/s while cyn cant even reach 2500 km/s (whith same skills) mostly cos ppl use 425 guns and doing so fit tracking mods in lows. wiht 2 nanos each the cyna is a tiny bit faster with a massivky better align time. flying a vaga is like flying a really fast cruiser, flying a cyna is like flying a fast frigate. but whatever, dont buy and fly cynabals they are sucky. more for me \o/ well more KM for me i guss you using two nano will make you use 220's cos 425 won't track = one more gun for me = guss what. I fly a cyna with 425s with one TE, hits everything just fine. But then i pilot it properly so i dont rely on mods to make up for my non orbit-everything technique. Im posting in this thread with my actual experiences to aid others to decide between the two ships, since the faction ship changes i much prefer the cyna.
Tian Nu Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.25 13:14:00 - [17] Edited by: Tian Nu on 25/03/2010 13:15:54 Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Tian Nu Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Tian Nu Vaga is mucho faster that cyn, maxed skilled vaga pilot whith two nano (no implants) make it go over 3100 km/s while cyn cant even reach 2500 km/s (whith same skills) mostly cos ppl use 425 guns and doing so fit tracking mods in lows. wiht 2 nanos each the cyna is a tiny bit faster with a massivky better align time. flying a vaga is like flying a really fast cruiser, flying a cyna is like flying a fast frigate. but whatever, dont buy and fly cynabals they are sucky. more for me \o/ well more KM for me i guss you using two nano will make you use 220's cos 425 won't track = one more gun for me = guss what. I fly a cyna with 425s with one TE, hits everything just fine. But then i pilot it properly so i dont rely on mods to make up for my non orbit-everything technique. Im posting in this thread with my actual experiences to aid others to decide between the two ships, since the faction ship changes i much prefer the cyna. i need NO? NO NO emote pls CCP. Read both you posts then read what you quoted from me then find the mistake. i give you hint 'wiht 2 nanos each the cyna' PS, i just realyze why i even debate oin this Cyn is the god of all ships pls buy them.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.25 13:26:00 - [18] Basic analysis of Vagabond vs Cynabal: There is zero reason to fly a Vagabond if you have Gall Cruiser V. - Intigo PS: Don't you fly scram-Cynabals?
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2010.03.25 13:28:00 - [19] are you comparing a dual nanoed vaga to a non nanoed cyna then? because if you are your very stupid.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.25 13:38:00 - [20] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/03/2010 13:48:04 I don't understand the 425s won't track comments, honestly. I mean, yeah, if you need to hit interceptors in orbit while sitting stationary then 425s without TEs are going to be a bit problematic (as will anything tbh). For firing on anything cruiser-sized, unless you're doing something inexplicably stupid even 720mm arty tracks just fine, much less 425s. Besides, even if you choose to use 220s and only light drones on the Cynabal the Vagabond gains 2.9% more DPS over it, at expense of everything else. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

Stygian Knight Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.03.25 14:03:00 - [21] medium neuts
pyyKtas	Posted - 2010.03.25 14:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Tian Nu Vaga is mucho faster that cyn, maxed skilled vaga pilot whith two nano (no implants) make it go over 3100 km/s while cyn cant even reach 2500 km/s (whith same skills) mostly cos ppl use 425 guns and doing so fit tracking mods in lows. After i seen so many posts on forum i actualy got in one well was back in vaga 30 min later. I take it this way vaga ask for more skills at lvl 5, so cyn is kind for low sp pilots. And no you can argue all you want is not as efectiff as the vaga. You better stop getting high on whatever you get high on and go out and actually fly both ships. Cynabal has almost identical speed as vaga with far superior align times. Not to mention higher tank/dps. My cynabal would rip your vaga apart and the best part is i doubt you would even have a chance to run away (unless u're fit with full snake set and full polycarbs/nano setup, in which case your tank probably melt before you actually get out of point range).
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.25 15:06:00 - [23] I can fit 425s on my Vagabond and hit just fine...okay, except for interceptors, but most cruiser-sized guns have trouble with that, but 5 Warrior IIs make up for that small problem. By the way, this is my signature. TeamSpeak For EVE - API-controlled TeamSpeak 3 Access!
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.25 16:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Agent Unknown I can fit 425s on my Vagabond and hit just fine...okay, except for interceptors, but most cruiser-sized guns have trouble with that, but 5 Warrior IIs make up for that small problem. If your Vaga fit has 425s it is most likely really, really bad. - Intigo
Demolishar G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:59:00 - [25] Apparently the Cynabal has never heard of "diminishing returns on isk spent". For 40M more than a Vaga, you get a ship that is better in the Vaga in virtually every way. This would be OK if it was proportional to the cost, but the Cynabal has huge advantages over the Vaga in terms of it's agility, and it's ability to deploy ECM drones as well as minor but still noticeable advantages at everything else. It really needs to be nerfed to a level where the Cynabal does some things a good bit better than the Vaga (say 25%) but the Vaga does some things a little bit better than the Cyna (say 10%). Not the current situation where the Cynabal does some things 100% better than the vaga (agility), and everything else 20-50% better than the Vaga (ehp, dps, falloff, dronebay etc).
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.03.25 18:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Basic analysis of Vagabond vs Cynabal: There is zero reason to fly a Vagabond if you have Gall Cruiser V. - Intigo /thread
Morel Nova Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.03.25 18:25:00 - [27] sadly at the current prices with expensive HACs and cheap cynabals there is really no point in ever flying a vagabond :( things would be nice if HACs were 80 mil and vaga got its old agility back (during the agility boost period). also... I'm doing my utmost to resist trolling faffys cynabal fits which have ecm drones and scrambler and makes me rage a lot. Reward small gang/solo pvp!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2010.03.25 18:57:00 - [28] Three rigs on cynabal Two on vaga SKUNK (o)
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.03.25 19:16:00 - [29] Now somebody just boost the Phantasm to be in line with the cynabal. ________
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.25 19:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Originally by: Agent Unknown I can fit 425s on my Vagabond and hit just fine...okay, except for interceptors, but most cruiser-sized guns have trouble with that, but 5 Warrior IIs make up for that small problem. If your Vaga fit has 425s it is most likely really, really bad. - Intigo [Vagabond, 425mm] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M (Misc. utility slot (cloak, small NOS, etc)) Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Warrior II x5 Sure, it pumps out less DPS then the 220mm fit, but it has 32k EHP (9k shields), which lets you live a bit longer, although heavy missiles hurt. By the way, this is my signature. TeamSpeak For EVE - API-controlled TeamSpeak 3 Access!



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