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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.25 19:43:00 -
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GSC = Giant Secure Container*
Honestly, with a GSC only able to provide about 4k Cargo space. This seriously isn't enough, even to transfer cargo from a mining vessel to a hauler if you want to be safe.
I would like to see a GSC with at least 10k capacity. Maybe more.
I know the reason GSC are made so small is to prevent freighters from augmenting their cargo holds to be bigger then they should be. This can easily be solved by making a GSC's volume about 1k or so bigger then the GSC's cargo hold.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:41:00 -
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You're dumb. ___
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:56:00 -
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And why shouldn't there be a bigger GSC?
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.25 21:38:00 -
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Giant Secure Container
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.25 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever Giant Secure Container
I'm sorry. Not everybody can fly those
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.25 22:26:00 -
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Everybody can train for them.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.25 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever Everybody can train for them.
And it takes, what? Months. I think at my skill level, it would take at least a month to train for if not more. Not to mention, it costs hundreds of millions of isk.
This isn't a thread asking for a huge mobile GSC it's a thread asking for a GSC big enough to hold a decent size amount of ore.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.03.25 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 25/03/2010 22:57:10 Itty 5 cargo rigged?
Orca not that bad a train end of day and 380ish mil a steal of a deal for how useful the orca is (fleet support, mining bonus linked, hell the ability to carry rigged ships is the bomb). Even has the super secret corp hangar that can't be scanned and doesn't drop loot on a blow up to haul high value items with a certain degree of "safety" (nothing safe in eve...but most gankers do like getting paid after a concording lol). If you are hard core about mining....ccp gave you the perfect ship for it in empire. Can tank decent as well.
GSC's are okay the way they are. Perfect size for even a badger II travel fit (read lows are fun stuff like i stabs, WCS, etc) to carry a few around.
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2010.03.25 22:51:00 -
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I dont understand your request... You want a larger can to jet in space for mining?..
Freighters cant carry GSC's, so even if they released the larger ones then it wouldnt matter...
A more logical request (for your problem) would be to allow gang members to take stuff from your ships corp hangar bay while on mining ops.
If someone is can-flipping you then dont put down jetcans!...
If you anchor a can and put a password on it then you can transfer securely..
the m3 isnt that low, 4-5 trades per ship ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.25 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: DeODokktor I dont understand your request... You want a larger can to jet in space for mining?..
Yes. Look, when there are can flippers around, and an Orca isn't available, all you have to rely on is a GSC.
I mine more m3 in a single cycle then is even available in a GSC. It is vastly annoying to be so constrained by having to flip back and forth through windows every cycle just to get the ore into the hauler to keep it safe. It's unnecessary tedium.
I see no reason why a bigger GSC with larger volume to m3 ratio can't be made.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.03.26 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges It is vastly annoying to be so constrained by having to flip back and forth through windows every cycle just to get the ore into the hauler to keep it safe. It's unnecessary tedium.
I see no reason why a bigger GSC with larger volume to m3 ratio can't be made.
Soo...you mean having to work at mining just a little is an inconvenience? C'mon...even an afk domi mission runner has to pull in his drones in the off chance their drones pull the aggro of a new wave.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.26 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jerid Verges on 26/03/2010 02:12:44 Edited by: Jerid Verges on 26/03/2010 02:10:40
Originally by: Misanthra
Originally by: Jerid Verges It is vastly annoying to be so constrained by having to flip back and forth through windows every cycle just to get the ore into the hauler to keep it safe. It's unnecessary tedium.
I see no reason why a bigger GSC with larger volume to m3 ratio can't be made.
Soo...you mean having to work at mining just a little is an inconvenience? C'mon...even an afk domi mission runner has to pull in his drones in the off chance their drones pull the aggro of a new wave.
Ya, you're right. Maybe drones shouldn't even auto agrress anymore, you should have to lock all the targets you want your drones to aggress.
Maybe we should have to activate our guns every time we want them to fire. No more auto repeating too.
Man that arguement is old, tired, elitist, and full of crap.
Funny that you say "So you want to be able to work at mining less?" Because that's absolute *******s. This suggestion has nothing to do with making mining easier, it has everything to do with helping miners protect themselves from Can flippers. Which, essentially, is incredibly difficult unless you want to jump to the next system.
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Simeon Tor
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Posted - 2010.03.26 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges
Funny that you say "So you want to be able to work at mining less?" Because that's absolute *******s. This suggestion has nothing to do with making mining easier, it has everything to do with helping miners protect themselves from Can flippers. Which, essentially, is incredibly difficult unless you want to jump to the next system.
Actually it is about making mining easier, otherwise you wouldn't be asking for it.
I'm not going to get into an argument here so I'll just say that everyone else seems to cope just fine, those that don't pay attention get blown up and those that play it smart get to mine for another day.
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate Hand That Feeds
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Posted - 2010.03.26 04:54:00 -
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I personally wouldn't make them that much bigger, but I would like it to hold 1 cycle of Ice with a mackinaw, Just increase it from 3.9K m3 to 4.0K m3.
However I would like to see something that is secure between GSC and Orca, Maybe an item that can only store stuff when anchored, kinda like a Corporate Hangar Array, but smaller and only a single division, like the GSC.
so Naming for the Monstrous Secure Container? that is like 20K m3?
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Jo Shmo
Caldari Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.03.26 05:11:00 -
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I'm all for a secure transfer container that's anchor-able, password-able, and has 10,000m3 of cargo. To prevent abuse make the capacity 10,000m3 and the volume 10,000m3. At 10,000m3 you can store a few cycles of ore in it before needing a pickup, but it doesn't completely replace the jetcan for ease of use, only security.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.26 05:16:00 -
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Exactly, that is the point.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.26 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 26/03/2010 06:45:08 Edited by: Trimutius III on 26/03/2010 06:41:56
Originally by: Jerid Verges GSC = Giant Secure Container*
Honestly, with a GSC only able to provide about 4k Cargo space. This seriously isn't enough, even to transfer cargo from a mining vessel to a hauler if you want to be safe.
I would like to see a GSC with at least 10k capacity. Maybe more.
I know the reason GSC are made so small is to prevent freighters from augmenting their cargo holds to be bigger then they should be. This can easily be solved by making a GSC's volume about 1k or so bigger then the GSC's cargo hold.
But container that have volume of 10500 m3 and capacity of 10000 m3 for storage of something in space would be nice...
But only if CCP implement hacking of passwords...
Actually Freighters can't put into cargo assembled Containers (other then Freight Containers)
The issue with GSC being less then 4k, because it should not be possible to put POS structures into them, as i see it... And Actually i use Jettison Contaners during mining. It's not that bad. (And hauler is always standing next to my Hulk (so there is nothing to steal but 1 unit of cheapest or that i mine)) (Did i mentioned that i have 4 accounts? And pay for them with PLEXes (trading in Jita rocks)
But container of 10500 m3 volume and 10000 m3 of capacity would be nice for mining and storing something in space.
But if it would be so then CCP should implement hacking of password on containers... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.26 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Trimutius III
And Actually i use Jettison Contaners during mining. It's not that bad. (And hauler is always standing next to my Hulk (so there is nothing to steal but 1 unit of cheapest or that i mine)) (Did i mentioned that i have 4 accounts? And pay for them with PLEXes (trading in Jita rocks)
If a can flipper is right next to you with your can open, No. You will not be able to extract your ore from an accessible can before the flipper does.
A bigger GSC is needed to combat griefing flippers.
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2010.03.26 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges Edited by: Jerid Verges on 25/03/2010 23:44:53
Originally by: DeODokktor I dont understand your request... You want a larger can to jet in space for mining?..
Yes. Look, when there are can flippers around, and an Orca isn't available, all you have to rely on is a GSC.
I mine more m3 in a single cycle then is even available in a GSC. It is vastly annoying to be so constrained by having to flip back and forth through windows every cycle just to get the ore into the hauler to keep it safe. It's unnecessary tedium.
I see no reason why a bigger GSC with larger volume to m3 ratio can't be made.
CanFlippers really dont care about the size of the can ;P.. If you make the can bigger, they are just going to steal more from you in one go. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.26 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: Jerid Verges Edited by: Jerid Verges on 25/03/2010 23:44:53
Originally by: DeODokktor I dont understand your request... You want a larger can to jet in space for mining?..
Yes. Look, when there are can flippers around, and an Orca isn't available, all you have to rely on is a GSC.
I mine more m3 in a single cycle then is even available in a GSC. It is vastly annoying to be so constrained by having to flip back and forth through windows every cycle just to get the ore into the hauler to keep it safe. It's unnecessary tedium.
I see no reason why a bigger GSC with larger volume to m3 ratio can't be made.
CanFlippers really dont care about the size of the can ;P.. If you make the can bigger, they are just going to steal more from you in one go.
You do know that a GSC is password protected...right? That is why a bigger one would be useful, to actually put ore into.
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Daenna Chrysi
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Posted - 2010.03.26 16:16:00 -
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make the bigger cans use fuels or charters, and they should be more balanced.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.26 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Daenna Chrysi make the bigger cans use fuels or charters, and they should be more balanced.
And then they wouldn't even be useful
How is a bigger GSC unbalanced? How?
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Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.03.26 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Straight Chillen on 26/03/2010 16:29:32 GSC's are the size they are to prevent all the things you desire. Increasing GSC size will undoubtly lead to more macro mining.
There are already in game solutions to all the problems you face. If you can't use a gsc, jet it for a hauler; If someone is jacking your ore, get someone to guard it for you. I think your problem lies in that these things require "effort" which you seem completly uninterested in investing. Mining was never intend to be a solo activity, If you want to do it solo, then you need to conform to the game, not vice versa. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.26 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges
How is a bigger GSC unbalanced? How?
Easy. It will be nerf of Ore Thiefs... Then thiefs should get boost too. Like possibility to hack secure containers... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.03.26 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen Edited by: Straight Chillen on 26/03/2010 16:29:32 GSC's are the size they are to prevent all the things you desire. Increasing GSC size will undoubtly lead to more macro mining.
There are already in game solutions to all the problems you face. If you can't use a gsc, jet it for a hauler; If someone is jacking your ore, get someone to guard it for you. I think your problem lies in that these things require "effort" which you seem completly uninterested in investing. Mining was never intend to be a solo activity, If you want to do it solo, then you need to conform to the game, not vice versa.
This tbh
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:23:00 -
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I would like gsc to hold 4km3 so could hold more ice if need to take somewhere else to refine or else allow orca to fit industrial core or make some way of compressing ice in high sec
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.27 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jerid Verges on 27/03/2010 18:46:56
Originally by: Straight Chillen Edited by: Straight Chillen on 26/03/2010 16:29:32 GSC's are the size they are to prevent all the things you desire. Increasing GSC size will undoubtly lead to more macro mining.
Except Macroers don't use GSC. I doubt macro mining programs could even anchor a container. Solo macros would never use a GSC and Macro fleets always have an Orca nearby.
Quote: I think your problem lies in that these things require "effort" which you seem completly uninterested in investing.
Thank you for judging my character without even knowing my reasons. If you must know, my corp ha a strict "Ignore" policy when it comes to griefers. Specifically because reacting (which is what you are suggesting) would cause even MORE problems.
So please, stop trying to act like a know-it-all.
Quote: If you want to do it solo, then you need to conform to the game, not vice versa.
I'm not doing it solo numbnut. GSCs aren't even made for soloing. It would be entirely too impracticle. Clearly evidence you DON'T know what you're talking about (Since you apparently don't mine).
Quote: Easy. It will be nerf of Ore Thiefs... Then thiefs should get boost too. Like possibility to hack secure containers...
Nobody theifs ore to make a profit, they do it to get you to engage you, or grief you. Trying to ore thief as a proffession...yeah I'd like to see somebody make a living off that.
tbh I would not mind hacking modules get a boost like that.
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