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Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.28 22:06:00 - [31] Originally by: Butter Dog I can dock in KBP. I have a dear friend docked there as well I believe. I dare say she will continue doing 'business' for some time on that local market, something I have little interest in myself.
Maggot Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.28 23:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Xina Tutor Of course the new UK is moving beyond the slave mission This is of course not true. Every single decision made by U'K exec is based on one goal. Once that goal is complete I look forward to a long retirement, drinking spiced wine whilst watching the moons of Pator cross the night sky.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.28 23:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Maggot Originally by: Xina Tutor Of course the new UK is moving beyond the slave mission This is of course not true. Every single decision made by U'K exec is based on one goal. Once that goal is complete I look forward to a long retirement, drinking spiced wine whilst watching the moons of Pator cross the night sky. Of course you will. If all the slaves were free tomorrow you would stop flying altogether... Well, I needed a laugh.
Xina Tudor Amarr Brown Arrows	Posted - 2010.03.29 02:22:00 - [34] Damn, I wish I could mine in KBP
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.29 03:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Xina Tudor Damn, I wish I could mine in KBP Well you never know young Xina. I hear said that UK are NRDS, so give it a try. Now, did mommy say it was okay for you to use the galnet terminal today, hmm?
Xina Tudor Amarr Brown Arrows	Posted - 2010.03.29 03:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Xina Tutor Now, did mommy say it was okay for you to use the galnet terminal today, hmm? don't be jealous that she loves me more
Dog Butter Plus Sized Hobos	Posted - 2010.03.29 03:23:00 - [37] Plus Sized Hobos has declared war on Brown Arrows. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Xina Tudor Amarr Brown Arrows	Posted - 2010.03.29 03:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Dog Butter Plus Sized Hobos has declared war on Brown Arrows. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Your bionic trolling laser is useless against my nonsensical shield of bitterness! I'll see you in space sir
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.29 08:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Xina Tudor Originally by: Dog Butter Plus Sized Hobos has declared war on Brown Arrows. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Your bionic trolling laser is useless against my nonsensical shield of bitterness! I'll see you in space sir You know, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. I am pleased I have annoyed your superior officer sufficiently to warrant such praise :)
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:36:00 - [40] can we lock down this frequency? the pointlessness ping pong between small neo-norvegian folklore figures, and their feeders is beyond sanity. where is concord when you need then. recruiting -forum

Tetseptus Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.29 13:08:00 - [41] Any resident of the cluster that denies the relevance of slaves is simply a deluded fool, and marks themselves as such by admitting that this is their belief. I suspect a mental dysfunction. It is quickly becoming acutely unsettling to see one so deluded being allowed to roam free and without a care from her so-called friends and/or family. Surely, members of her race have sufficient community spirit to preserve her the public exposure until she is well again. Perhaps they are all waiting for a slave to help her, so that they need not touch the mad person themselves. The fact that the entire Amarrian Empire is built by the slaves of the Amarr, and that the entire Amarrian economy is underpinned by the labours of those slaves is irrefutable, and indeed the very ships that they use to enslave still more every day will also have been built by those hands. All of this will also be irrelevant in the mind of the deluded too. Indeed, we are looking at a flat denial of at least half of what we sane folk may refer to as reality. In order to bring down the institution as a whole, it is only good strategy to attack a regime where it is weakest. Once the CVA, and the slaver, is gone from Providence and all other areas of space, the Empire stronghold can be assaulted. The anti-slavery movement would undoubtedly settle for a renouncement of slavery as a whole long before this comes to pass. It would be hoped that the Amarrians would see sense before they lost their home space. Until this happens, people fighting slavery will continue to fight. Be absolutely certain of it, and to assume otherwise is still further senseless denial. My understanding is that any who would deny the prevailing 'reality', such as it is, can only be sanity-impaired. Perhaps I am mistaken. ((OOC: Before you post, æthis is not realityÆ, note that the IGS is ôAn in-character, role-playing centeràö)) Tetseptus, Vherokior Fighter 2nd Generation Free-Born
Xina Tudor Amarr Brown Arrows	Posted - 2010.03.29 16:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Xina Tutor You know, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. this is why you continue to copy my galnet transmissions. but you are a terrible doppelganger as for who copys who, i think my superior combat record speaks for itself
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 04:33:00 - [43] OOC? Someone else is out of coffee? Anyway, as we all know, there is reality and 'reality' and there are slaves and 'slaves'. These really come down to definitions, but regardless of that, the ordinary pilot does not really care. Because of this, the status of a worker population becomes irrelevant. All the worker classes are underpaid and poorly provided for, and generally ignored. Indeed many 'slaves' fair substancially better than so called 'paid' workers, as we all well know. Considering that most are 'trapped' on the life and employment they have, we can easily define any as slaves if we choose, and even the Federation is as guilty of this as any. If anything the Amarr are at least up front about actual status of many of the workforce and even provide certain exit strategies with appropriate payments. I doubt this is the case under the other great powers where the working classes are simply ignored, burried and forgotten. The simple fact remains that capsulers do not care about the working classes, slaves or otherwise. We have risen above that to a point of near godhood. Now I am happy to admit that the lower classes really are very much beneath me. Perhaps others are not. Pilots of the UK have certainly given lip service to the underlings over the years, but their recent actions tell us that perhaps it is nothing more than this. Do they really care, at least any more? UK are now a minion of the great southern coalition, and do any us us think these are pilots who care anything about the lesser classes or slaves. Indirectly or otherwise, these pilots have grown fat on the sweat of slaves or working classes for many years. It is hypocrtical of UK to hold it's current stance while sheltering beneath the wing of such an empire. UK continues to focus it's attention on one group simply because they are one of the few to be open and honest about their labour forces. But UK ignores the rest of the cluster and the conditions that exist within. They see this only in black and with, with a great deal of tunnel vision, whereas it is really quite grey, a very dirty grey. And I still ask.. where are the slaves. They seem very forgotten in this current conflict. Which never had anything to do with slaves, of course.
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:26:00 - [44] Edited by: Stratio on 30/03/2010 11:26:26 Originally by: Xina Tutor OOC? Someone else is out of coffee? Oh good point, I need to get some more. Originally by: Xina Tutor The simple fact remains that capsulers do not care about the working classes, slaves or otherwise. We have risen above that to a point of near godhood. Now I am happy to admit that the lower classes really are very much beneath me. Perhaps others are not. Pilots of the UK have certainly given lip service to the underlings over the years, but their recent actions tell us that perhaps it is nothing more than this. Do they really care, at least any more? Personally, yes I do very much care about the rights of workers. _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:59:00 - [45] Edited by: Xina Tutor on 30/03/2010 11:59:14 Originally by: Stratio Personally, yes I do very much care about the rights of workers. Well.. good to hear. I will look forward to some of that put into practice perhaps.
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 12:35:00 - [46] Why do you assume it hasn't ? _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.03.30 17:52:00 - [47] This argument we keep seeing that Usha'Khan has in some way abandoned the very reason for its existence through its relationship with a capsuleer "nation" is ... very strange. Bargaining with a devil, if -A- can be described as such, to unseat an Amarrian enclave such as Providence strikes me as merely a good example of U'K putting its ISK where its mouth is: freedom for the enslaved Matari, freedom at all costs. In all the years I've observed Ushra'Khan, this is its one, unchanging theme. How are recent events any different?
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Aria Jenneth In all the years I've observed Ushra'Khan, this is its one, unchanging theme. How are recent events any different? We're winning, and this makes people bitter. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 20:35:00 - [49] 'Why do you assume it hasn't ?' Because I still see slaves awaitig freedom in KBP. 'We're winning, and this makes people bitter.' 'We' meaning the southern coalition. The pets are just along for the ride :) Manfred is building a play pen and their own little feeding ground, and a dead looking area it is becoming already as predicted, so good luck to him on that one. Meanwhile, since this was after all some of the poorest space in the cluster, we will simply move elsewhere and continue. Good win. Have fun there :)
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 20:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Xina Tutor we will simply move elsewhere and continue. "We" being CVA and their attendant cloud of sycophants? Im sure that "we" will be seeing "you" soon enough, we have vagabonds rusting in hangers.

Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 21:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Xennith Originally by: Xina Tutor we will simply move elsewhere and continue. "We" being CVA and their attendant cloud of sycophants? Im sure that "we" will be seeing "you" soon enough, we have vagabonds rusting in hangers. CVA? who knows. They have objectives that were aditional to our own, both at a corp and ally level, so you have to ask them. As for your rusty ships. The way I predict Providence will soon look, I would suggest a lot of rustproofing.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 21:52:00 - [52] Oh, well your slaver buddies were promising a guerrilla war that would make our lives a misery. Looks like we'll have to travel.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.03.30 23:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Xina Tutor 'Why do you assume it hasn't ?' Because I still see slaves awaitig freedom in KBP. Now hold on a moment, pilot. Are you talking about slaves in private storage, as opposed to station personnel? U'K can't access those-- if their owners are capsuleers, those slaves remain on inviolate sovereign territory that only their owners, or their owners' corporations, I believe, can access. Station ownership does not grant access to private caches of goods-- or people. U'K can no more rescue such unfortunates than the Gallente can confiscate boosters from my hangars in their space; the most the Federal authorities can do is try to catch me carrying them in my cargo. Are you talking about slaves in market escrow? Well, in that case they're still privately held-- and U'K has stated clearly and repeatedly that they won't buy slaves, even to free them. Consequently, the slaves remain, like those stuck in storage, private property unless and until their owners choose to surrender them or grant them their freedom. And if you aren't talking about slaves in either of these positions, exactly what are you talking about?
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 23:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Originally by: Xina Tutor 'Why do you assume it hasn't ?' Because I still see slaves awaitig freedom in KBP. Now hold on a moment, pilot. Are you talking about slaves in private storage, as opposed to station personnel? U'K can't access those-- if their owners are capsuleers, those slaves remain on inviolate sovereign territory that only their owners, or their owners' corporations, I believe, can access. Station ownership does not grant access to private caches of goods-- or people. U'K can no more rescue such unfortunates than the Gallente can confiscate boosters from my hangars in their space; the most the Federal authorities can do is try to catch me carrying them in my cargo. Are you talking about slaves in market escrow? Well, in that case they're still privately held-- and U'K has stated clearly and repeatedly that they won't buy slaves, even to free them. Consequently, the slaves remain, like those stuck in storage, private property unless and until their owners choose to surrender them or grant them their freedom. And if you aren't talking about slaves in either of these positions, exactly what are you talking about? Ah.. good cop out. So UK wont go to all extremes to free slaves at all (or any real effort). As suspected, it is just lip service. After all the claim here has been that isk does not matter, only the freedom of their people... but it appears that is not really the case at all :)
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2010.03.31 09:38:00 - [55] And so the fool Xina Tutor dances with glee that her clever clever machinations have finally been exposed. She put some people up for sale in a station in Providence as she fled it. Now she attempts to use them as a goad against the freedom fighters. Know this Xina Tutor, your adolescent mulings are nothing new. The fact that we can not break open your personal hangars and loot, due, not only to CONCORD law, but ghosts in the machine that we can do nothing about. Freedom Fighters do not buy peoples freedom, ever. We know the ramifications of doing so. However, some philanthropist may choose to give you the ISK you so desire. I, personally, am satisfied, that although still imprisoned within some vault, awaiting your mercy or that philanthropist, they are more free than if you still held the station. So, yes, we see here a slaver, bartering peoples lives for her own sick pleasure. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.31 11:19:00 - [56] Xina, your alliance is worthless. Just hurry up and die and spare us your Galnet musings. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.31 11:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Kade Jeekin And so the fool Xina Tutor dances with glee that her clever clever machinations have finally been exposed. She put some people up for sale in a station in Providence as she fled it. Now she attempts to use them as a goad against the freedom fighters. Know this Xina Tutor, your adolescent mulings are nothing new. The fact that we can not break open your personal hangars and loot, due, not only to CONCORD law, but ghosts in the machine that we can do nothing about. Freedom Fighters do not buy peoples freedom, ever. We know the ramifications of doing so. However, some philanthropist may choose to give you the ISK you so desire. I, personally, am satisfied, that although still imprisoned within some vault, awaiting your mercy or that philanthropist, they are more free than if you still held the station. So, yes, we see here a slaver, bartering peoples lives for her own sick pleasure. I have never dealt in slaves. Ever. I would suggest you provide some evidence that I own any such slaves or have any on a market anywhere. But I am not blind. I do see such things as I fly through the new 'free' Providence systems. I also see a lot of desolation. It has become a wilderness, and I feel dearly for the many on the various stations that have lost livelyhoods in the great depression that has now hit. From bustling ports to ghostowns. Keep up the good work :)
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.31 11:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Butter Dog Xina, your alliance is worthless. Just hurry up and die and spare us your Galnet musings. This, and all the out of coffee guys, fill me with a great joy to be here. Oh, and I still have a clone, so no prob ;)
DirtyDirty88 Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2010.03.31 12:36:00 - [59] I see what you see Mingus. Being a Catch resident myself, I often see UK, who know has an interestingly large number of the late Sylph Alliance. I spoke directly with a member of a corp that was recently barred from Ushra'Kahn, and the pilot admits this fact. UK is loosing their Anti-Slaver Ideals as much as gaining useless pilots with a knack for killing Sansha. Reports being that Karn Mithralia is no longer sole executor and the pilot Saphrine is now the head have not been substantiated, but this could attribute to the sudden flux of Pirate Bounty-Hunter and Industry pilots that have been flooding the Ushra'Kahn alliance.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2010.03.31 13:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Xina Tutor I have never dealt in slaves. Ever. I would suggest you provide some evidence that I own any such slaves or have any on a market anywhere. But I am not blind. I do see such things as I fly through the new 'free' Providence systems... Then I jumped to wrong conclusions based on your crowing. Never mind. Your attitude remains the same. You have no interest beyond using these people as a goad. The core of my reply also remains the same: Quote: Freedom Fighters do not buy people's freedom, ever. We know the ramifications of doing so. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------



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