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Liorah	Posted - 2010.04.06 15:09:00 - [211] Originally by: Dodgy Past Originally by: Liorah Hint to the OP: If you are actually serious and not trolling, try making your setup mimic "Situation A", where you have to perform the equivalent of an alt-Tab to each client and issue your mouse/keyboard commands instead of finding wild and crazy ways to duplicate keystrokes and mouse clicks to multiple computers at once. Cause if I were a GM (I'm not), you'd be on my "Watch" list after that first three-day ban, and I'd make sure you spent more time out of game than in it for as long as you continued this behaviour. Why on earth do you have to alt tab? Two monitors or 2 computers ( with two mice you can click at the same time ) is perfectly reasonable. As others have said how would it look for CCP to push the idea of using multiple accounts and then ban people for the fact that they gain an advantage by doing so. I regularly take advantage of 2 accounts at once, be it for scouting or using one account to collect loot while I rat with the other. (and also parts that you didn't quote) Reading comprehension. You don't have it.
Empress Shai	Posted - 2010.04.06 18:36:00 - [212] Edited by: Empress Shai on 06/04/2010 18:44:04 Edited by: Empress Shai on 06/04/2010 18:41:29 @Liorah: I am not criticizing, only stating my experience. Quote Liorah "Situation B: If this Synergy program is really a mouse keystroke duplication program..." If you set up Synergy, it is the same as if you had a PC capable of running 2 monitors, each running a client in the window. All it does is extend your keyboard/mouse to another PC. It doesn't (that I have ever experienced) instantly duplicate mouse clicks to other computers. You have to scroll over to the other PC, which it doesn't increase reaction time, and I have been using synergy for non EVE uses for YEARS (it is more than a couple years old). ------------------- Seperate thoughts: I am betting CCP won't ban him for a couple reasons. 1. He bought every account. That is money in their pocket. 2. If he Super PLEXs (uses em to pay for game time), people are selling him PLEX, which they buy from CCP, which makes money... you get the idea. If your average PLEX purchase from CCP buys you 2 months for a minimum transaction, and he buys 14, that is 7 months sold to this multiboxer that CCP collects EXTRA a month. For CCP, they are making extra money, and there are enough systems out there with low traffic, we can't really complain. He is AT the computer. It's the people who macro mine who should be shot. Just my (overextended) .02 isk
Liorah	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:37:00 - [213] @Empress Shai Your post raised my curiosity, so I actually took a look at Synergy's website, and it looks like a neat program. From a cursory glance, I'd agree that it appears you have to actually click each action on each screen; it appears to be a rather slick, software KVM-like switch without the video sharing. With those observations in mind, I would say that using Synergy "shouldn't" (heh) be in violation of the EULA (non-lawyer, non-GM still). It would also seem that OP's wooden contraption is more of a violation of the EULA than Synergy. If my understanding of Synergy is correct, this thread "should" get OP a ban faster than using Synergy. I caveat this with the disclaimer that I don't use Synergy and have only given a cursory glance of the website :) As to whether he would be banned, anecdotal comments seems to indicate that there is inconsistency in the actions and behaviours of the GMs. If there is some way to prove that he had to click/keypress every action on every account on every computer, that "should" settle the matter completely. Otherwise, as it stands, if you get one GM who has had a bad day, for example, OP might stand little chance regardless of the software he uses or doesn't use. Any possible unprofessionalism displayed toward the GMs wouldn't help. I suspect CCP won't make a stance on Synergy, unless they take the time to cite a specific version/date of product release, because the public at large could take it in any direction they wanted, adding the keystroke/mouse duplication ability if so desired. A hardware product is slightly harder to change at the drop of a hat, so it's safer to declare a hardware device "permissible". I still maintain that it wouldn't take long for a GM in a game with even just average logging capabilities to find out whether a user is using mouse/keystroke duplication software, or clicking/keypressing each action. Originally by: Empress Shai He is AT the computer. It's the people who macro mine who should be shot. I think this sums it all up nicely: OP would be small potatoes, a shallow example, and the effort spent on him near-useless against the macro miners.
Magesto Caldari Radiant shield Radiant Force	Posted - 2010.04.06 22:34:00 - [214] ok, my question is this, what if he wasnt mining at that time, and was missioning? would that still be considered a violation of any sort? i mean what would the diff be if he was individually clicking each of his insane amount of accts? would that have made a diff? and if doing it that way was still questionable what about those of us with 2 or 3 accts running lvl 3s or 4s or mining even? i say ** it, if hes willing to go to that kinda trouble for it, let him. its his life thats wasting away, and we can all hope that with all the money he is funneling into ccp that they will lower the monthly on eve. because lets face it, 14 accts, after 2 months of being active, he's pretty much a shareholder of ccp. CHECK PLEASE!**
Kent Lineatus	Posted - 2010.04.06 23:20:00 - [215] Question, on those side screens how did you get the 2 windowed clients split screen like that or are they just over lapped and not actually resized? thx
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.04.07 02:32:00 - [216] What kind of drugs are you on? All you need is 14 chinese.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.04.07 04:12:00 - [217] /me sets up a Reading Comprehension skill book store. "Wuts synergy? omg it must be an ebil macro program, ima ignore the posts mentioning what it does and NEEERRRDDDD RRRAAAAGGGGEEEEE in op's chinese face, lolololololololol." Pretty much sums up the entire thread, minus the comments on how awesome the setup is or how little of a life the OP has. Quote: With synergy, all the computers on your desktop form a single virtual screen. You use the mouse and keyboard of only one of the computers while you use all of the monitors on all of the computers. You tell synergy how many screens you have and their positions relative to one another. Synergy then detects when the mouse moves off the edge of a screen and jumps it instantly to the neighboring screen. The keyboard works normally on each screen; input goes to whichever screen has the cursor. Source. _____ 10/10: Where is your God now?
NuroCorp	Posted - 2010.04.07 07:24:00 - [218] OP I would love to see a video of that setup actually running - to validate it. Otherwise its a very clever but unconvincing possible cover for why you got banned seeing as we'll most likely never get the GM's side of the story. I cant imagine that setup working for ratting/missioning with too many variables, and whilst you could use all 14 accounts in one mission, several missions would just not happen with that setup. I can see mining being plausible but to synchronize all accounts each time you log in without some sort of script would take a stupid amount of time and to me would be unpractacle. That said, v nice monitor setup :)
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.07 11:26:00 - [219] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 07/04/2010 07:16:31 What kind of drugs are you on? All you need is 14 chinamen. /waits for smack from 42 alts. "Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, Asian American, please." This is clearly a signature.
debbie harrio	Posted - 2010.04.07 17:34:00 - [220] Edited by: debbie harrio on 07/04/2010 17:35:13 Originally by: NuroCorp OP I would love to see a video of that setup actually running - to validate it. Otherwise its a very clever but unconvincing possible cover for why you got banned seeing as we'll most likely never get the GM's side of the story. I cant imagine that setup working for ratting/missioning with too many variables, and whilst you could use all 14 accounts in one mission, several missions would just not happen with that setup. I can see mining being plausible but to synchronize all accounts each time you log in without some sort of script would take a stupid amount of time and to me would be unpractacle. That said, v nice monitor setup :) good sir would this suffice. Quote: nullThe Dowel Killer

Imran Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.07 17:37:00 - [221] Originally by: Cozmik R5 Life: not everybody has one. Says the person playing an internet spaceship game. __________________________________________ EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful.
Ryhss Caldari 42nd Airborn	Posted - 2010.04.07 17:40:00 - [222] Originally by: Destruction Theory I say let him, he's not using software, and if he wants to spend that much money on a setup, specifically designed to skirt around ccps rules, then let him. It is completely irrelevant as to how MANY accounts he is, it is however relevant how he uses them. According to his website, he only uses physical means, no software is involved. CCP were wrong to ban him, though I can understand how they assumed that he was a macro miner. THIS!
NuroCorp	Posted - 2010.04.07 22:58:00 - [223] Originally by: debbie harrio Edited by: debbie harrio on 07/04/2010 17:35:13 Originally by: NuroCorp OP I would love to see a video of that setup actually running - to validate it. Otherwise its a very clever but unconvincing possible cover for why you got banned seeing as we'll most likely never get the GM's side of the story. I cant imagine that setup working for ratting/missioning with too many variables, and whilst you could use all 14 accounts in one mission, several missions would just not happen with that setup. I can see mining being plausible but to synchronize all accounts each time you log in without some sort of script would take a stupid amount of time and to me would be unpractacle. That said, v nice monitor setup :) Nope, as it is not a video :P good sir would this suffice. Quote: nullThe Dowel Killer
NuroCorp	Posted - 2010.04.08 01:44:00 - [224] Originally by: Imran Originally by: Cozmik R5 Life: not everybody has one. Says the person playing an internet spaceship game. QFT. And best explained in trainspotting... Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family, Choose a **ing big television Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of ing fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing sprit-crushing game shows Stuffing ing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing you last in a miserable home Nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, **ed-up brats You have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life. SO I, uh, chose EVE instead....
Celes Steele	Posted - 2010.04.08 06:10:00 - [225] Ok some quotes from the link you posted in your OP Kromtor The ban specifically stated "macro use". If they're actually upset with me multiboxing with sync'ed mouseclicks* then that's another story.* Someone responding with what looks like a CCP response Quote: You are welcome to use multiple accounts at the same time, no matter how many accounts you are using. What we understood you were asking with regards to multiboxing, was controlling all of those account with a single keystroke program or mouse click copy program. To make it more clear: You may use as many accounts as you wish at the same time, however you may not use a program to control more then 1 account at the same time with the same keystrokes/mouse, you will need to actually switch between the windows to control them. Kromtor your immediate eresponse Well then my petition explaining how I do just that probably won't go over too well. Kromtor 2 days later your next response The solution to boxing in Eve without breaking the rules and then you post a link to the google pics. Personally I agree with NuroCorp. I think the pics are simply for show. A video of you actually running this thing is what is needed to prove you aren't using syncro mouseclicks which would clearly be giving you an unfair advantage over regular multiboxing which you have to move to each client and initiate the action. I suck at quoting, but perhaps you can explain what you mean by the syncro mouseclicks you refer to in the thread you were posting in. It appears to me you produced the pictures as an attempt to justify how it would be possible to operate multiple accounts and not break the letter of the EULA. However if its only a picture, and you are continuing to use the syncro mouseclicks you stated you were, you shoud be banned permanently for attemping to hide it.
knubba Gallente freelancers inc F A I L	Posted - 2010.04.08 12:48:00 - [226] Originally by: vulnevia Just you wait untill this guy buys 14 battleships and starts to gatecamp somewhere... Like this? I wondered what kind of macro mission runner this was, but it was just too obvious to really be a bot. It's ok in my book, he is paying for his accounts so CCP is making money, and he isn't mining faster than 12 single users, maybe actually slower, since it must be a pain to set up and remember settings on every character, imagine managing skills...
Zhek Kromtor	Posted - 2010.04.08 13:28:00 - [227] Originally by: Celes Steele I can haz quotes There are different versions of synergy, some which allow for you to move your cursor on all your screens at once. It's referred to as synchronized or broadcasted mouse which is no different than what all common multiboxing software (Keyclone, Octopus, etc) do for the keyboard. In my original petition I explained to CCP that this was all that was being used - keep in mind the ban was for "macro use" and I was 3-day banned while mining so it was obvious they thought I was a macro miner. It was then pointed out to me on dual-boxing.com forums that CCP may not even allow the use of multiboxing software. I decided to come up with a method that would allow me to definitely play without breaking any rules while waiting for CCP's reply. There has been no reply in any form to my original anonymous petition (you can't petition via your accounts when 3 day banned cause you can't log even into the website). I've gone out of my way to make a website detailing how my new setup works. I've never macroed and I don't even mine anymore thanks to this crap. CCP can easily tell whether or not someone is running third party software like Synergy. I understand your desire to get a 24/7 video feed on me so you can see me slouched over my precious wooden dowels, surely all 400 lbs of me covered in a mixture of acne puss, sweat, and a near full-body neckbeard, but that would just be too embarassing for me. Maybe if CCP actually lets us know specifically what is and isn't allowed then I can go through the trouble of making a sexy video of my fat fingers dancing upon my wooden dowels with the knowledge that every other asshat poster quoting some irrelevant line in the EULA that they claim proves that using wooden sticks is akin to macroing at least won't be taken seriously. http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/
Jack Paladin Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.04.08 13:34:00 - [228] Originally by: NuroCorp Originally by: Imran Originally by: Cozmik R5 Life: not everybody has one. Says the person playing an internet spaceship game. QFT. And best explained in trainspotting... Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family, Choose a **ing big television Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of ing fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing sprit-crushing game shows Stuffing ing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing you last in a miserable home Nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, **ed-up brats You have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life. SO I, uh, chose EVE instead.... DING! Level up for you xD
Ick Ickagami	Posted - 2010.04.08 14:11:00 - [229] Originally by: Zhek Kromtor ...........slouched over my precious wooden dowels, surely all 400 lbs of me covered in a mixture of acne puss, sweat, and a near full-body neckbeard............. Whoa. Sensitive people will have nightmares for weeks over THAT mental image.
Xsst	Posted - 2010.04.09 13:26:00 - [230] Zhek your blog reference to Sam Deathwaker from EQ1 brought back so many memories. I used to love looking at pics of his setups and what he got up to. I remember his 12 wizards in PVP, 1 click and anyone he came up against was dead, just like your 12 ravens. I could copy and paste almost exactly the same types of threads and the stick he got in that game. The majority actually liked him and his love of the game. There was an epic thread (I think it was on the leading EQ guild homepage) where someone found out he had been imprisoned for practising reproduction with a minor. I don't think people were too happy about that though!

Zhek Kromtor	Posted - 2010.04.09 13:42:00 - [231] luckily my mom forbids me from practicing reproduction in her basement http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/
Harotak THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.04.09 13:48:00 - [232] Edited by: Harotak on 09/04/2010 13:48:02 Originally by: Psychotic Maniac /waits for smack from 42 alts. Threadnaughting, the most obvious way to make use of 14 eve accounts.
Seishi Maru 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2010.04.09 15:30:00 - [233] Originally by: Bo Bojangles Originally by: vulnevia Just you wait untill this guy buys 14 battleships and starts to gatecamp somewhere... Oh he's pvp'd with it. I encountered Zhek's nasty little setup last July. Zhek's naming convention also makes it necessary for an opposing FC to broadcast his ships rather than call out the targets as per usual. Originally by: Zhek Kromtor And while we're on the subject of numbers, if you and your 13 space buddies really get beat by someone using wooden dowels to control 14 ships it is abundantly clear who fails in the most ways. I didn't see any dowels. What I saw was was your Ravens decloak, drop drones, target and fire in a unison that cannot be equated in a normal fleet orchestrated by a single target caller communicating to individual pilots. Though as I recall there was a slight variation in the beginning of the targeting sequence between the ships,.. have you tried maple? OMG OMG.. imagine if he was using tempests with 1400mm? With a good few safespots he coudl be instapopping battleships adn warping out before anyone can figure what is going on.
Gavin Darklighter Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.04.09 16:31:00 - [234] And imagine if all the pilot's names were in binary and the same number of characters. Overview would look something like this.. 01101011010 01010101101 10010101010 01101011010 01111011011 10011010110 10110101110 10110101110 Wait, who is primary again? signature picture exceeds the size limit.~WeatherMan
The Wicked1	Posted - 2010.04.09 18:23:00 - [235] Originally by: Gavin Darklighter And imagine if all the pilot's names were in binary and the same number of characters. Overview would look something like this.. 01101011010 01010101101 10010101010 01101011010 01111011011 10011010110 10110101110 10110101110 Wait, who is primary again? Now that would be an unbeatable alliance
omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.04.09 18:31:00 - [236] I'm starting a petition here for the OP to be euthanised as an act of compassion. Please sign it.
RipperZane	Posted - 2010.04.09 19:52:00 - [237] Edited by: RipperZane on 09/04/2010 19:53:54 NOTE: I posted with wrong toon! Grrrr Originally by: Zhek Kromtor Originally by: Celes Steele I can haz quotes There are different versions of synergy, some which allow for you to move your cursor on all your screens at once. PLease site a source for this I have never seen Synergy do this,(specifically named Synergy2 at the sourceforge pages). Afaik it doesn't replicate keyclicks to multiple clients at once. Is there are mode in Synergy? Have you in fact USED Synergy? I have 2 laptops, and 2 screens on my desktop. I use 1 laptop for netflix, one for in home work, and my 2 screens on my PC for client 1 and 2 (both windowed), and it has never appeared as an option to use it for multi replication of keystrokes. Synergy as a concept, as in a key repeater between machines and clients is not, in point of fact, Synergy2 (the technical name for the app). Or am I wrong? I only bring this forward to correct, not to argue. Misinformation or incorrect data harms the public as a general rule. I do not disagree with anything you said, but Synergy (again look for it at Source Forge DOT Net) afaik has not had that option. It is intended as a software KVM (1 keyboard/mouse for multiple machines), which is really great if you use multiple machines due to needing a full PC for specific dedicated tasks, or like being uberLEET geek and having your windows PC playing EVE, and compiling code on your Ubuntu box simultaneously. Just saying.
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.04.09 20:07:00 - [238] BAM! Got a response from a senior GM today regarding my petition :D For obvious reasons I won't post the exact response here, but suffice to say that the senior GM said that using programs such as synergy (and YES, this DOES include versions that can control several accounts at once) IS ALLOWED \o/ What is not allowed is anything that automates it. So like having a button that will lock and fire on all accounts is not allowed, but having a program that allows you to hit f1 for all accounts at once is (or at least that's how I read it, what I can say for sure is that keyclick duplicating software is allowed, the GM even explicitly mentioned synergy and G15s as not being against the rules)
CyberGh0st Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.09 20:57:00 - [239] These sort of programs also existed in DAoC, and there it could be used to nuke 1 target with for example 10 nukes and the target would be instantly dead. "Team Wizzy" or something like that was well known for it. In the end Mythic made it an illegal action to use 1 keystroke to fire off multiple accounts. I think some explicit rules should prohobit this kind of borderline behavior. Sure it is not macroing, but to me it is still something that has no place in the game. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.04.10 02:44:00 - [240] Originally by: Gavin Darklighter And imagine if all the pilot's names were in binary and the same number of characters. Overview would look something like this.. 01101011010 01010101101 10010101010 01101011010 01111011011 10011010110 10110101110 10110101110 Wait, who is primary again? good one. would have to broadcast in the overview tags.



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