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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:43:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: I've no idea when that "crackerjax" page was made, I've no idea who put what there, I've no idea where the content of that link came from, who made it up, or anything. So ask your fellow goons if that page accurately represented the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. If by "that page" you mean "crackerjax", then no, it did not represent the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Not even close.
Jade Constantine wrote:Ask around, then get back to me when you are ready to apologize for the slithering evasions you posted earlier on this thread. I'm not going to apologize for squat, since I have nothing to apologize for. I've done nothing wrong, I haven't thrown around accusations, I didn't tell everyone that you've "been accused of RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse", you have. Repeatedly. You've also made sure to link what I can only assume is your RL picture (and no, I don't want proof), and then loudly accuse us of repeatedly linking your picture on the internet.
Face it, you've got a well-proven track record of throwing out wild accusations or claims with no basis in reality, even in the face of overwhelming facts, and the Until you come up with actual facts (no, a fabricated "wikipage" on some host named "crackerjax" isn't proof of anything, I could've done exactly the same today if I wanted to) I'm going to just treat this as yet another one of your "throw **** everywhere, something's bound to stick" sessions. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:19:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: If by "that page" you mean "crackerjax", then no, it did not represent the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Not even close.
In which case I must conclude you are simply unable to speak truthfully on this matter since that page on the mirror did indeed accurately represent the same page until a few weeks ago. (Only change was the goon admins removed the rl picture from your hosted version.) The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |

Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:29:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: If by "that page" you mean "crackerjax", then no, it did not represent the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Not even close. In which case I must conclude you are simply unable to speak truthfully since that page on the mirror did indeed accurately represent the same page until a few weeks ago. (Only change was the goon admins removed the rl picture from your hosted version.) It did not. But hey, keep guessing, keep grasping at straws, and keep on saying "I've been accused of RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse" and linking the crackerjax link in every thread you can and then ***** and whine about how we're "sullying your good name and reputation" and "linking your real life picture". I'm sure any lawyer would take a look at your posting history, take a look at the "proof", and laugh all the way to the bank with your cheque while telling you that you're being a dumbass for doing more damage to your own name than anyone else ever could. |

Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:30:00 -
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Why would I be "honorable" and post with my main to a bunch of EVE-O forums yey-hoos? But seriously...
I use a flagrant anonymous posting alt because: -It's kind of a psychology/sociology experiment. Having different internet personae, and seeing how people react to them. My main and alts each have different personalities.
-My main is a corp officer, and does corp recruiting. He's ambitious and someday wants to do something biggish. So like Petrus Blackshell, he's building a long-term persona and reputation. I try to say reasonably intelligent things with him.
-One alt I use to say whatever the hell I want. Might be obnoxious, controversial, or inflammatory. He's a meta-gamer. During the CSM elections I used him for subversion and trying to pick apart certain candidates and their supporters. It's a play-acting alt, really. This jerk alt gets a proportionally high amount of Likes.
-One alt is my innocent new carebear player alt. I use him to ask theoretical gameplay/strategy/tactics questions in New Citizens forum. He gets a proportionally high number of Likes too.
-I can't tell you about my other alts and whether or not they exist.
-Sometimes my alts talk to each other. They laugh at each other's jokes in threads and say "well said" and "true that." In fact, all of the anonymous alts posting in this thread are mine.  |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
431
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:31:00 -
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Power to the peo...., ALTS !!
We will own ya all ! (some day) brb |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:31:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: It did not.
Obviously nobody is going to take your word for it, how about we have a web cached version of the wiki for the last few months and judge for ourselves when the changes were made?
But hey, keep on saying "I've been accused of RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse" and linking the crackerjax link in every thread you can and then ***** and whine about how we're "sullying your good name and reputation" and "linking your real life picture". I'm sure any lawyer would take a look at your posting history, take a look at the "proof", and laugh all the way to the bank with your cheque while telling you that you're being a dumbass for doing more damage to your own name than anyone else ever could.[/quote]
[quote=Lord Zim] The problem with your argument here "zim" is that you trying to claim a player who has suffered ooc harassment and abuse conducted in the name of your organization is actually to blame for complaining about said harassment and abuse. Your leader became the most public example of cyberbullying in eve online recent of course by suggesting that a fellow player should be trolled into suicide - but that hasn't stopped a number of the other goons doing some quite dodgy things yourselves. Had the goons in question lived in the UK doubtless we'd have a court case by now to add a little more spice and scandal to the reputation of Eve Online.
Bottom line. You guys need to stop targeting people out of game for in-game reasons. Stop taking the game so seriously that you take it into the realm of personal real life harassment. Because in pushing this agenda you are backing CCP into a wall where eventually they are going to have kneejerk to do something about this to preserve any kind of professional reputation in the games industry.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |

Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:55:00 -
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The only one harassing you right now is yourself, by continually saying "I've been accused of RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse" and linking the crackerjax link in every thread imaginable. As I said, the only reason I even have the words "RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse" in my mind alongside your name, is because you can not stop talking about it, and I'm pretty certain I'm pretty damn far from the only one.
But as I said, keep on doing it for another few years, I'm sure it'll make you look less the victim and more like someone trying to victimize themselves to try to get at an ingame alliance.
Jade Constantine wrote:(I'm glad to see your knowledge of the law is as flawed as your knowledge of eve online gameplay matters though.) Considering I've schooled you in almost all discussions, that doesn't bode well for your understanding of law. |

Frank Truck
HAZMAT Hauling
10
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:57:00 -
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Because I have 5 chars over 30mill sp and I really don't know which is my main  |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:58:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: Considering I've schooled you in almost all discussions, that doesn't bode well for your understanding of law.
Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |

Price Check Aisle3
146
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:12:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. Actually, no one but you really cares about this.
Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad. - Karl Hobb IATS |
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None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:15:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:All I have is alts.
This.
I find it profoundly amusing that some people derive a sense of elitism from posting on a particular pseudonym over another. They are all alts, in the sense of alternative personalities.
Also things like this:
http://fiddlersedge.blogspot.com/2012/07/white-rose-conventicle.html
Sensible precautions, which some like to bait the practitioners by calling "fear". It's not fear when we lock our front door when leaving our residences nor when we buckle up our seat belts in our cars. Its taking sensible precautions. All the name calling and baiting is designed to get you to abandon sense and do something that leaves you unnecessarily vulnerable.
So:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:As a general rule, I do not post on my main. I don't need crazy following me into the game. If I was required to post on my main, I'd stop posting.
When a topic has relevance to stuff doing in game I do frequently post with a "main". But when discussing game balance or other activity that has zero to do with in-game activity and it makes no sense to expose that character and corp mates; posting on an alt that has no in game presence at risk makes more sense.
After all ideas to improve the game should stand or fall on their own merit.
So I say, post with your alt unless you have reason to otherwise. A little moderation of the moderation? CCP & CCL please reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1552432#post1552432
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:15:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Considering I've schooled you in almost all discussions, that doesn't bode well for your understanding of law. Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. Just fyi, the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. And besides, it's more fun to watch you keep slandering yourself time and time again while trying to slander goons, four years after you claim it happened.
Of course, you'll do all this while claiming we're the ones taking the game too seriously, while most goons wouldn't even have known about your supposed past until you rub it in everyone's faces. Repeatedly. In public. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:19:00 -
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Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. Actually, no one but you really cares about this. Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad.
Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread 
But really, "zim" cannot be correct unless he proves his earlier assertion that the goon wiki mirror at http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Main_Page.html was not at one point an accurate copy of the goonwiki at the current site. I think he's currently claiming the crackerjax mirror is a complete fabrication (which is a pretty tinfoily thing to say) but it should be possible for him to demonstrate the truth of his words by a webcache of the goon-controlled site that shows a different content.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |

Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:21:00 -
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Hang on while I make up a wiki and put it up somewhere, then I'll put up slander about myself and claim it's actually something Jade has written and put up on his wiki.
Proof? I don't need no proof, it's on the internet, that's all the proof you need. |

Price Check Aisle3
147
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:23:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread  Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page. 
If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members. - Karl Hobb IATS |

Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:24:00 -
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Paranoia, plain and simple. I've got it in spades IRL and Eve only exacerbates it. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |

None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:28:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:Paranoia, plain and simple. I've got it in spades IRL and Eve only exacerbates it.
I like to call that "sufficiently paranoid" A little moderation of the moderation? CCP & CCL please reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1552432#post1552432
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:28:00 -
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Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread  Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page.  If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members.
If it was an accurate copy then it means "zim" has been telling fibs on this thread. He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror and denying the page slandering me there with a RL picture was present in the goon original.
Now he decided to come clean and post "hey it was a private site and we can post what the heck we want about other eve players there" then that's one thing.
I might still take exception to the criminal slander of course, but at least there wouldn't be so much lying about the situation.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
778
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:29:00 -
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What is an Alt poast please ? 

Serioulsy though, trolling, anonymity, paranoia, lots of other reasons, all of these ?
Who knows.
Personally, I read posts made by Alt's far less seriously than posts made by known players ingame, that's a fact.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
177
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:33:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:I find it profoundly amusing that some people derive a sense of elitism from posting on a particular pseudonym over another. They are all alts, in the sense of alternative personalities.
This, +100. The whole notion of "mains" is ludicrous, and wholly irrelevent except to those that paid billions for a toon in the Character Bazaar (says the ALT who regularly builds and sells toons on the Bazaar). Never bought a toon in my life, although I have sold more than a few. ;-) |
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:37:00 -
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A few of us were having a pretty trolly arguement about the war with Star Fraction. Someone was claiming the war went mutual at some point, but none of us could find a mutual declaration. So instead of doing any real work, would you like to clear that up for us Jade? I'm pretty sure that you didn't declare mutual. |

Price Check Aisle3
148
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:39:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror Well, the proof is (ostensibly) on a private site so there's no real way for you to disprove him. Might as well quit spamming the slanderous link and making yourself look bad.
Jade Constantine wrote:I might still take exception to the criminal slander of course, but at least there wouldn't be so much lying about the situation. If it's a private site there's nothing to take exception to. - Karl Hobb IATS |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1371
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:39:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:A few of us were having a pretty trolly arguement about the war with Star Fraction. Someone was claiming the war went mutual at some point, but none of us could find a mutual declaration. So instead of doing any real work, would you like to clear that up for us Jade? I'm pretty sure that you didn't declare mutual. He did not. Mutual wars cannot have allies for the defender, as there is no "defender". Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |

Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:39:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:If it was an accurate copy then it means "zim" has been telling fibs on this thread. I have not.
Jade Constantine wrote:He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror and denying the page slandering me there with a RL picture was present in the goon original. What I'm saying is that the crackerjax site isn't a goon site, and I'm not going to vouch in any way, shape or form for its content, and that for all we know it's something you've fabricated to slander goonswarm over something you claim happened 4 years ago.
Do you have proof?
Jade Constantine wrote:Now he decided to come clean and post "hey it was a private site and we can post what the heck we want about other eve players there" then that's one thing. Oh, and just FYI, that's not my alt. |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:21:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: It's almost as if you want to be associated with those things. What "things" are you talking about here "zim"? Because I'm saying that yes, Goonswarm did host several websites that were linked from poison-pen letters sent to my RL employers with the express intent of getting me fired from my job. And you guys do still host a goonwiki that has my RL photograph alongside an allegation of child-sex abuse. Nobody sensible "wants" to be associated with these things, and I think no gamer really wants to be associated with a community that makes and sustains such allegations to "win" in-game political campaigns either. How about you remove the websites in question and perhaps we can all stop talking about these things?
Prove that the Website exists and further prove that it is hosted or otherwise controlled by Goonswarm leadership or members.
You are making the allegation. The burden of proof is on you.
crackerjax.org Doesn't look like a GSF site to me. Looks like it's owned by an anonymous user of some Canadian Registrar.
Goonfleet.com's owned by an anonymous user of GoDaddy.com, as is Goonswarm.com. Why would they use a Canadian registrar when they already have a relationship with america's worst registrar? -RubyPorto
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:30:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. Actually, no one but you really cares about this. Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad. Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread  But really, "zim" cannot be correct unless he proves his earlier assertion that the goon wiki mirror at http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Main_Page.html was not at one point an accurate copy of the goonwiki at the current site. I think he's currently claiming the crackerjax mirror is a complete fabrication (which is a pretty tinfoily thing to say) but it should be possible for him to demonstrate the truth of his words by a webcache of the goon-controlled site that shows a different content.
I'm just gonna drop these here, since you don't seem to understand the concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Holder_of_the_burden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html -RubyPorto
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Deriah Book
Fox Clan Inari Kimon
15
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:03:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post?
To start with, I have only one account. I'm getting the impression that an 'alt' is a second or later account? Or does a non-primary character on one's only account count?
If it's the latter, then I will be perfectly honest and say that the reason I post under Deriah is that when I logged onto Eve forums for the first time I entered my password and Deriah was first in cue. I simply clicked my way forward without thinking about which character was being represented because... believe it or not, all of my Eve characters represent ME without discrepancy.
So, if this is an 'alt' there is your reason for the first post. Now the question is: Why do I continue to post with Deriah?
After establishing an "e-Personality" with Deriah I found no reason to cloud the issue by introducing my 'main'. I would like to further address the OP by saying that you may as well take Deriah seriously. At the very least as seriously as you would take my main's or even my own opinion. There is no difference in the three. Because, as I have stated previously, all of my Eve characters represent me without discrepancy. The reason I can say this with confidence may come as a shockingly obvious surprise.... All of my Eve characters, including those that will be on separate accounts in the future, are actually all...
Wait for it....
Me.
Hi. I'm Mark.
There is no Deriah. It's a fictional character made up of statistics and pixels. Granted, all those characteristics were initiated by me, Mark. I am not fictional. But Deriah, largely, is.
Just on the off chance that you are not completely familiar with how this process works: Deriah actually cannot, and does not, post on these forums. I, Mark, am doing all the posting.
So, how could you care which Eve character is in the upper left corner of the post here? It's me. It's always me. It can't be any other person than me.
Me? I, personally, don't take you all that seriously. Main or no. I hope you don't take that personally.
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:05:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality".
Good luck with your e-Personality thingy... hope it serves you well. Meanwhile in real life... ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |

Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:06:00 -
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Deriah Book wrote:To start with, I have only one account. I'm getting the impression that an 'alt' is a second or later account? Or does a non-primary character on one's only account count? Yes, it's got nothing to do with accounts, it's all about alternative characters. |

Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:09:00 -
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George Whitebread wrote:I have no alts. All my characters are my main character.
Besides, when discussing on a forum, people should reply to the post/argument - not the avatar. It's the same RL person behind my arguments no matter what character I'm posting with anyway.
AKA: Ad-hominem Avoidance, if we want to get technical. |
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