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kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:07:00 - [1] Malediction Vengence You can use a MWD on the Malediction if you prefer. Also there are navy 400 charges, it aint too expensive and I personally receive strong exiles for free, but im sure anyone could down grade to standard if there was a problem. <3 Active tanks
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/03/2010 11:16:57 This is why I like dual neuts Interesting fits though, could kill a fair number of ships. Malediction seems a bit vulnerable however. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/03/2010 11:16:57 This is why I like dual neuts Interesting fits though, could kill a fair number of ships. Malediction seems a bit vulnerable however. Double Neuted Malediction Double Neuted Vengence Looks like you'll need some friends
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:30:00 - [4] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/03/2010 11:32:07 Originally by: kessah Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/03/2010 11:16:57 This is why I like dual neuts Interesting fits though, could kill a fair number of ships. Malediction seems a bit vulnerable however. Double Neuted Malediction Double Neuted Vengence Looks like you'll need some friends I meant mediums, small can't really stop that efficiently and it's hard to fit/run dual smalls on a frig hull anyway. Which means it will preety much bbq frig hulls (assuming you don't run into someone with a perma-MWD frig with LR guns and lots and lots of ammo). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: kessah Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/03/2010 11:16:57 This is why I like dual neuts Interesting fits though, could kill a fair number of ships. Malediction seems a bit vulnerable however. Double Neuted Malediction Double Neuted Vengence Looks like you'll need some friends I meant mediums, small can't really stop that. Which means it will preety much bbq frig hulls (assuming you don't run into someone with a perma-MWD frig with LR guns and lots and lots of ammo). Yeah mediums would be an issue, but then again that's a different hull class and would be like comparing Battleships to Battlecruisers.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:35:00 - [6] Originally by: kessah Yeah mediums would be an issue, but then again that's a different hull class and would be like comparing Battleships to Battlecruisers. Truth. You planning on plugging in snakes or slaves with that? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: kessah Yeah mediums would be an issue, but then again that's a different hull class and would be like comparing Battleships to Battlecruisers. Truth. You planning on plugging in snakes or slaves with that? I've not used pimp implants in years, my connection frequently drops during combat so I can't risk it. Another reason I am unable to solo fight currently, until BT pulls their finger out.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:17:00 - [8] Please come and fight my AML N Cara. ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Please come and fight my AML N Cara. ;) hmmm Sure, if I can then fight it in a Dominix afterward, seems about fair.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:42:00 - [10] Originally by: kessah Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Please come and fight my AML N Cara. ;) hmmm Sure, if I can then fight it in a Dominix afterward, seems about fair. actually i think your mal fit would be a threat to a navy carcal even with AMLs a fight id certinly like to watch
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: kessah Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Please come and fight my AML N Cara. ;) hmmm Sure, if I can then fight it in a Dominix afterward, seems about fair. actually i think your mal fit would be a threat to a navy carcal even with AMLs a fight id certinly like to watch I actually looked at the numbers on EFT, looks like he wont do more than 13 DPS on the ship once he loses his drones with AML Fit.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.03.29 14:52:00 - [12] I do believe your mal would destroy all standard claw and crusader fits unless theyre ab fit which some people do. Btw you could do the same in a gank Autocannon/mal that does 150dps not overheated with a cap booster or web doesnt matter realy. As for the vengeace, its nothing new. I do believe though v another frig you would be better off with autocannons than blasters. Otherwise most Af's can easy tank your damage or take none, but can also just leave the fight. Been using boosters on my claw and wolf for about 4 months now and its pretty cool. Dont fly enough active tanked ships or else i would use them more often.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.29 14:59:00 - [13] Originally by: kessah Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: kessah Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Please come and fight my AML N Cara. ;) hmmm Sure, if I can then fight it in a Dominix afterward, seems about fair. actually i think your mal fit would be a threat to a navy carcal even with AMLs a fight id certinly like to watch I actually looked at the numbers on EFT, looks like he wont do more than 13 DPS on the ship once he loses his drones with AML Fit. You won't have boosters to run forever (nor overload forever), while I can kite you as long as I need assuming no one comes as long. But meh, it was intended as a joke, nothing more ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.29 16:43:00 - [14] Whenever I see a "boost active tanking" thread, I always wonder if Kessah really needs a personal stealth buff. Really interesting fits as usual. I only wish your fitting threads came with a playlist as well... (I can't help but think of ships blowing up whenever Fantastadon - Anesthesiologist comes up on my iTunes.)
Lupus Albus Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.03.29 17:03:00 - [15] You should look into getting a faction cap booster. I'm building a vengeance rather similar to yours, and I got a True Sansha small cap booster for 2m. Extra fast cycle means better neut protection \o/. ---------------------------------------------- The White Wolf - Eve fiction and backstory
W0wbagger	Posted - 2010.03.29 17:14:00 - [16] Edited by: W0wbagger on 29/03/2010 17:15:41 For the vengeance: If you like active tanking then lose the damage control for another enam for a better tank. (but obviously less ehp) Also worth considering a c-type nos for more range and cap. I have that fit but use dual light pulses (with ab) as the scorch aspect is nice. Also I know you said you got the strong exiles for free but if you didn't and were still happy to spend the money then 2 faction enams make this even better. But then it can start to get silly :) (t2 rigs arent that much either!) also surely a coreli c-type ab on the malediction? Will give you 3 extra grid to play with...
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.29 19:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Seriously Bored Whenever I see a "boost active tanking" thread, I always wonder if Kessah really needs a personal stealth buff. Really interesting fits as usual. I only wish your fitting threads came with a playlist as well... (I can't help but think of ships blowing up whenever Fantastadon - Anesthesiologist comes up on my iTunes.) Something to imagine blowing up to this. Actually might be using this track for the next one.
Last Wolf Rage For Order	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:01:00 - [18] except an arty thrasher will just about istagibb you before you can turn on those pretty reppers. Oh no you don't! Incoming witty reply, ETA: 300 seconds!
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Last Wolf except an arty thrasher will just about istagibb you before you can turn on those pretty reppers. Nope. 1722 volley is definitely not enough. Certainly not once an orbit is achieved on your pretty little destroyer.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:13:00 - [20] Blasters on the Vengeance works like a charm until you meet an opponent with more speed, a web or the gall to do visual inspection before engaging The triple nos (token gun for drones), dual-rep vengeance is the tackler from hell by the way. Guaranteed to hold anything and everything for as long as it takes Originally by: Last Wolf except an arty thrasher will just about istagibb you before you can turn on those pretty reppers. The Malediction perhaps but not the Vengeance. A Punisher/Slicer can take a volley to the face and live, albeit in hull, so I doubt you will have more luck against the Vengeance.
Ashira Twilight	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Last Wolf except an arty thrasher will just about istagibb you before you can turn on those pretty reppers. Eh, look at the resists...
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:39:00 - [22] I've been doing a bit of EFT whoring how would you go about killing this within the same shipclass. The only frig I've found which would reliably kill the said Vengeance is surprisingly a deadspace shield booster Jaguar which can in fact permatank the Vengeance forever while doing more DPS then its passive cap recharge can take (~120 dps vs rf PP). It's sort of expensive, however and would need either crystals or blue pill on top. I did know a guy who used to fly that however, too much ISK on his hands I guess Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
LonTas 5 Minmatar United Citizens of EVE	Posted - 2010.03.30 01:03:00 - [23] Edited by: LonTas 5 on 30/03/2010 01:06:37 Edited by: LonTas 5 on 30/03/2010 01:04:50 interceptors would fail to this x7 200mm autocannnon x1 malkuth missile launcher x2 small armor repairer x2 statis webifier I x1 1MN afterburner I web, then fast tracking guns, then my tank, then you= 60mil down the tube to a stupid THRASHER *it also helps to carry a ridiculous amount of ammo in yur cargo. Newayz my thrasher= frigate killer, my stabber= FUN (because all it comes down to is the DPS u make and fix) 0.o LonTas 5
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2010.03.30 01:31:00 - [24] Originally by: LonTas 5 Edited by: LonTas 5 on 30/03/2010 01:06:37 Edited by: LonTas 5 on 30/03/2010 01:04:50 interceptors would fail to this x7 200mm autocannnon x1 malkuth missile launcher x2 small armor repairer x2 statis webifier I x1 1MN afterburner I web, then fast tracking guns, then my tank, then you= 60mil down the tube to a stupid THRASHER *it also helps to carry a ridiculous amount of ammo in yur cargo. Newayz my thrasher= frigate killer, my stabber= FUN (because all it comes down to is the DPS u make and fix) Ummm since we seem to be sparing in threads and you're off looking for me. I thought I'd point out that the 2 posted fits about would eat your thrasher alive. So go ahead and PLEASE bring that ship out when you can looking for me. KKTHXBIA.
Ashira Twilight	Posted - 2010.03.30 01:57:00 - [25] A single small neut would take, what, like 45 seconds to cap out a dramiel from 100%(which never happens, but meh). Too long for it to really make much of a difference. He'd just try to kite outside the neut range and flail about until he got tired or ran out of ammo.
Captain Nares	Posted - 2010.03.30 08:33:00 - [26] Senseless overtank.
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.30 09:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Captain Nares Senseless overtank. No such thing in my experience.
KayC Rage	Posted - 2010.03.30 09:17:00 - [28] Slow. Low dps. Low range. Any ab+web frig will hold you till you run out of cap charges or disengage. And cruiser+ will just neut you, web you, send ecm drones your way and kill you. Ofc im talking about competent pvpers, and you wont encounter many of them...
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:09:00 - [29] Hawk EFT Warriors hoooooo!
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:18:00 - [30] While the Malediction would be decent for the "WTF" factor, any frigate with a small neut would stand a pretty good chance against it. On a somewhat unrelated note, why does everybody take screen shots or quote overheated EFT numbers all the time? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
SuperNova221 Ragnarok Rising THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Artemis Rose While the Malediction would be decent for the "WTF" factor, any frigate with a small neut would stand a pretty good chance against it. On a somewhat unrelated note, why does everybody take screen shots or quote overheated EFT numbers all the time? It's a way of showing "This is what it can do at peak performance" Although I really don't see a need to post overheated stats without posting the normal ones too.
Captain Nares	Posted - 2010.03.30 13:57:00 - [32] Originally by: kessah Originally by: Captain Nares Senseless overtank. No such thing in my experience. You fit overtank and ruin all other things, lowering overall performance. Any frigsize tank is very vulnerable to neuts and high alpha's, and such overtank is... how it is in english? perverse? Frigsize tank is sum of mobility (keeping distance and transversal), sigtank, and just usual tank which u love. And there also other parameters like, again, mobility, firepower, ability to tackle, etc - all of them are more important than tank on frigsize , coz frigsize is frigsize. Right place for your fits is in Kunstkammera. If you want some real pimp malediction setup - check this. What concerns vengeance, you may reach almost the same tank with single rep, capstable, without booster, having a web. So forget about your BS experience and get some frig one. PS your dram rigs are bad.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.30 15:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Captain Nares Frigsize tank is sum of mobility (keeping distance and transversal), sigtank, and just usual tank which u love. And there also other parameters like, again, mobility, firepower, ability to tackle, etc - all of them are more important than tank on frigsize , coz frigsize is frigsize. Mmm, I'd normally agree with you, but I believe Kessah's MO is to go alone into incredibly lopsided fights and try to come out on top. Against a single target you can carefully leverage your size, transversal, speed, what-have-you to your advantage. When it gets to be a 1v2 or 1v3, those things start to become outside of your control if the other side is coordinating their attack at all. (I will grant that the vast majority of attacks could be better coordinated.) Of course I will defer to your experience if you regularly go out and try to bite off more than you can chew...I don't. But it seems to be what these fits are geared toward. Whether it works or not, I have a feeling we'll hear the result sooner or later.
Aralieus Amarr Rising Devils Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.30 15:37:00 - [34] I really dont see the point in making such a huge active tank on frig hull, the scenario I see you running up against most often is stalemates...you cant break their tank cause of your dismal dps, and they can't break yours cause you have the active tank of a cruiser, pretty pointless...but fun to look at I suppose...<3 EFT worriors Fortune favors the bold!!!
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.03.30 15:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Aralieus I really dont see the point in making such a huge active tank on frig hull, the scenario I see you running up against most often is stalemates...you cant break their tank cause of your dismal dps, and they can't break yours cause you have the active tank of a cruiser, pretty pointless...but fun to look at I suppose...<3 EFT worriors and what if oyu think outside the box, along the same lines this setup was devised. what if there were gasp 5 players with similar fit intys, that could be very problematic for a handfull of anything that dioesnt have lots of nuets webs and scrams.
Aralieus Amarr Rising Devils Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.30 15:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Aralieus I really dont see the point in making such a huge active tank on frig hull, the scenario I see you running up against most often is stalemates...you cant break their tank cause of your dismal dps, and they can't break yours cause you have the active tank of a cruiser, pretty pointless...but fun to look at I suppose...<3 EFT worriors and what if oyu think outside the box, along the same lines this setup was devised. what if there were gasp 5 players with similar fit intys, that could be very problematic for a handfull of anything that dioesnt have lots of nuets webs and scrams. Quote: Mmm, I'd normally agree with you, but I believe Kessah's MO is to go alone into incredibly lopsided fights and try to come out on top. End Quote Fortune favors the bold!!!
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.30 17:03:00 - [37] Edited by: kessah on 30/03/2010 17:06:41 Originally by: Captain Nares You fit overtank and ruin all other things, lowering overall performance. Any frigsize tank is very vulnerable to neuts and high alpha's, and such overtank is... how it is in english? perverse? Well, not really, alot of player fly plate ceptors and play upon a hostiles greed, letting him burn to them. The setups only vulnerable to high alpha's if its more than 1 fighting you with battleships/battlecruisers etc in the other gang. I dont really see how going 5000m\s instead of 3500m\s or even 2000m\s will change how the hit rate will be, your scrambled anyways?!. Neuts: all frigates are vulnerable to neuts. All frigates regardless of fit do not like being neuted, however, an adept pilot will pulse reps in between cycles and pop any drones causing issue. I already posted the numbers on small neuts. Originally by: Captain Nares Frigsize tank is sum of mobility (keeping distance and transversal), sigtank, and just usual tank which u love. And there also other parameters like, again, mobility, firepower, ability to tackle, etc - all of them are more important than tank on frigsize , coz frigsize is frigsize. Mobility is subject to play style, I can play bait, I can be patient. Only a fool thinks slapping on Overdrives and Nano's thinks he is untouchable. Since most frigates are buffer fit at best then DPS isnt really going to be an issue is it? They wont out tank the damage like I will out tank theirs. With a scrambler and if I choose to fit AB (as I did include that in the fits) Then unless your a Dramiel, you will have alot of difficulty in finding escape. Originally by: Captain Nares So forget about your BS experience and get some frig one. PS your dram rigs are bad. Respectfully, just because you watch what I produce, do not make the assumption that I do not know my frigates well, because I frapsed battleship footage. If there is one thing in EVE I am confident in my ability to do, it is setting up ships. It is through experience that I can judge merit to certain setups. Also my Dram rigs are not really your concern or the concern of this thread. Finally the setup I posted isn't even pimp. If any of you stating that bothered to look the module cost up instead of looking at the name and thinking 'ooo 50m' you'd know that the c-type reps are less than 5million isk a piece and the Gistii AB's 15million isk.
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 21:14:00 - [38] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/03/2010 21:14:13 Seems like you'll die (by virtue of running out of cap boosters) to anything that can maintain range. For the Vengeance, maybe work towards dropping a rep for MFS and ions? -Liang Ed: And if you can't tell - I try to win my fights by killing the other guy before his help arrives. ;-) -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Azcatl	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:17:00 - [39] Edited by: Azcatl on 30/03/2010 22:17:33 Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/03/2010 21:14:13 Seems like you'll die (by virtue of running out of cap boosters) to anything that can maintain range. For the Vengeance, maybe work towards dropping a rep for MFS and ions? -Liang Ed: And if you can't tell - I try to win my fights by killing the other guy before his help arrives. ;-) Don't you love it when Liang turns up with constructive advice, rather than just saying it won't work in (insert random situation here). Liang people might give you **** but at least you are positive and give constructive advice!!! Yes I am sick of some of these other "your fit is bad and you're stupid" posters
kessah M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.31 03:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/03/2010 21:14:13 Seems like you'll die (by virtue of running out of cap boosters) to anything that can maintain range. For the Vengeance, maybe work towards dropping a rep for MFS and ions? -Liang Ed: And if you can't tell - I try to win my fights by killing the other guy before his help arrives. ;-) 17 cap 400 can be loaded, fair enough killing before the blob arrives is commendable, however in factional warfare I had somewhat different experiences with blobs. It will take awhile before 17 400's will get used, in that time, il return to the gate and jump/dock, if im unable to kill it.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.31 04:52:00 - [41] Yeah, unless you go after "belt-ratting frigs" i don't think you won't be able to re-approach against a frig sized opponent... Also, don't judge against overheated stats...actually fighting without overheat in 1vs1 situation vs. remotely competent opponents is a fool's act...especially in frig vs. frig engagements, guns and mid slots are all overheated before even the first shot is fired 95% of the times... Doing it with the SARs in that Vengeance is maybe overkill, but not bad to actually know what your limit is and off-course for how long it can be used. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.31 13:35:00 - [42] Dual rep vengeance is nothing new and its well known it fails horribly - no engagement control and low dps. It will be same with malediction. It will get webbed, kited at 8,5k and held till blob comes - or runs out of cap charges. I cant see how you are going to kill someone with 80/100dps with 0 engagement control. You are thinking he will be sitting still and taking beating or what?

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