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FLGSynyster Sparta For Life 1	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:01:00 - [1] - Quote Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?
strenif Caldari War Machine STR8NGE BREW 4	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:10:00 - [2] - Quote FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359
FLGSynyster Sparta For Life 1	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:13:00 - [3] - Quote strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359 That isn't really much help...
Bridgette d'Iberville DeadStar Marauders 37	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:16:00 - [4] - Quote FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? -Yes -Depends -It's Better -It's More Expensive Hope that helps. Seriously, look at the statistics in EVElopedia if you're not going to try out EFT. Neut the bastards
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba Bellum Esca 107	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:27:00 - [5] - Quote Train for a Hawk... when you get bored get in a Harpy with blasters.
strenif Caldari War Machine STR8NGE BREW 4	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:36:00 - [6] - Quote FLGSynyster wrote: strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359 That isn't really much help... So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style.
Kalli Brixzat 64	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:46:00 - [7] - Quote strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359 That isn't really much help... So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style. Simple question with a very simple answer. No need to turn this into a 5-quote "learning experience". @OP: Yes, it's better. Yes, it's also MUCH more expensive.
FLGSynyster Sparta For Life 1	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:56:00 - [8] - Quote strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359 That isn't really much help... So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style. To be honest I have played GW2 and I really do not enjoy it....
Drunein Capital Enrichment Services The Night Crew Alliance 12	Posted - 2012.07.05 23:47:00 - [9] - Quote FLGSynyster wrote: strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359 That isn't really much help... So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style. To be honest I have played GW2 and I really do not enjoy it.... Unless you start learning how to be at least semi self-sufficient, You probably won't enjoy your stay here.
Bree Okanata Romex Inc. Dustm3n 39	Posted - 2012.07.06 00:28:00 - [10] - Quote Drunein wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: strenif wrote: You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359 That isn't really much help... So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style. To be honest I have played GW2 and I really do not enjoy it.... Unless you start learning how to be at least semi self-sufficient, You probably won't enjoy your stay here. And unless you start learning how to be nicer, you probably are going to still be a waste of forum space. The hookbill is a pretty awesome ship. Yea it's more expensive but in some cases it can be worth it. I am not sure what it is you are looking for in a ship, but I for one have been eying the Hookbill to help blast through L1 missions while I grind for standings. Would be quicker than trying to blitz through with my Caracal, that's for sure. As a side note, Evelopedia and EFT are not at all the answers to everything. Yes they can give you numbers and stats, but for a lot of ships they don't offer you suggested fittings/primary uses. If you won't be helpful, don't post.
Paikis Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 36	Posted - 2012.07.06 01:34:00 - [11] - Quote Bree Okanata wrote: As a side note, Evelopedia and EFT are not at all the answers to everything. Yes they can give you numbers and stats, but for a lot of ships they don't offer you suggested fittings/primary uses. Suggested fittings? You mean sorta like 'Hey, I've got 3 high slots, 3 launcher hard points, no gun hard points and a bonus to rockets and light missiles"' also 'I have more shield hitpoints, 5 midslots and only 2 low slots'. Do you think it might perhaps be a shield-tanked rocket ship?
Danny John-Peter The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 106	Posted - 2012.07.06 13:36:00 - [12] - Quote Paikis wrote: Bree Okanata wrote: As a side note, Evelopedia and EFT are not at all the answers to everything. Yes they can give you numbers and stats, but for a lot of ships they don't offer you suggested fittings/primary uses. Suggested fittings? You mean sorta like 'Hey, I've got 3 high slots, 3 launcher hard points, no gun hard points and a bonus to rockets and light missiles"' also 'I have more shield hitpoints, 5 midslots and only 2 low slots'. Do you think it might perhaps be a shield-tanked rocket ship? Actually you will find it be quite good armor tanked with heavy tackle and tracking disruption in the mids. Basically, there are myriad of possibilities, places like Failheap Challenge and Battleclinic will give some idea, but dont copy those, change em as you want, make em your own.
Nayl Mkoll Godless Horizon. WHY so Seri0Us 6	Posted - 2012.07.06 20:42:00 - [13] - Quote FLGSynyster wrote: strenif wrote: FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359 That isn't really much help...
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Ushra'Khan 426	Posted - 2012.07.06 23:03:00 - [14] - Quote FLGSynyster wrote: Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it? What are it's main advantages/disadvantages? EDIT: If you have any recommended loadouts please post them too. the Kestrel is kinda meh since it hasn't been hit by the rebalance stick that is coming to all T1 frigates. The Hookbill's primary asset is that it's really goddamn fast - nearly interceptor speeds, while still fielding decent tank and damage. Only downside is that it still doesn't have the raw tank/damage of assault frigs, meaning you'll lose in a 1v1 unless you're able to do some weird kiting.
Super Chair Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing 298	Posted - 2012.07.07 01:12:00 - [15] - Quote Hookbill can beat most frigs/dessies (daredevil and coercer it would struggle with). It is hands down the best navy faction frigate. I for the most part have stopped flying them in my space because no one would fight me after a time.
Dibblerette The Phantom Regiment The House Of Cards. 83	Posted - 2012.07.08 05:25:00 - [16] - Quote It's two largest advantages are the amazing bonuses to rockets/Light missiles, and the excellent versatility of having 5 midslots on a frigate. Before the AF rebalance, it was unique in that ability. The common fit uses an MSE and dual webs to hold your target out of range/in deep falloff for turrets and let your mediocre but consistent rocket dps chew away at them. Lately though, I've been seeing more fit with one, or even two tracking disruptors. Makes it nearly impossible for your common turret frigate to deal with, but if they get caught by another rocket ship, it's GF.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 96	Posted - 2012.07.08 10:42:00 - [17] - Quote Ive also seen dual prop hookbills a few times, although they suffer from a serious drop in EHP as you cant fit an MSE unless you gimp the fit in other areas.
bartos100 Living Ghost 10	Posted - 2012.07.10 23:21:00 - [18] - Quote i have been using this fit to run lvl1 missions with and started tuning lvl 2's with it today i find it works great didn't need the MASB in the lvl 1's but in some of the lvl 2's it is handy that you can pulse it a few times to avoid warping out [Caldari Navy Hookbill, pve ASB rocket] Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 1MN Afterburner II EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I it is however somewhat tight on cpu
Kalli Brixzat 66	Posted - 2012.07.11 02:29:00 - [19] - Quote bartos100 wrote: i have been using this fit to run lvl1 missions with and started tuning lvl 2's with it today i find it works great didn't need the MASB in the lvl 1's but in some of the lvl 2's it is handy that you can pulse it a few times to avoid warping out [Caldari Navy Hookbill, pve ASB rocket] Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 1MN Afterburner II EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I it is however somewhat tight on cpu That's one, overtanked PvE Hookbill for ya... but it will work. I'd go for a second Extender or CCC over the EM rig, but that's personal choice. If I'm going up against EM-heavy rats, I'll just fit two EM hardeners. Again, personal choice.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 543	Posted - 2012.07.11 08:34:00 - [20] - Quote Kalli Brixzat wrote: That's one, overtanked PvE Hookbill for ya... but it will work. I'd go for a second Extender or CCC over the EM rig, but that's personal choice. If I'm going up against EM-heavy rats, I'll just fit two EM hardeners. Again, personal choice. I'd go for T2 rocket launchers so I could fire T2 rockets for max DPS. But hey, I might be crazy.
bartos100 Living Ghost 10	Posted - 2012.07.11 09:35:00 - [21] - Quote a CCC rig is of no use with an ASB main reason i have it omni tanked is that i hate switching resist mods between missions as for the t2 rockets i don't have the skills yet still working on caldari frig 4 and 5 rockets are next tho but i will have to change the fit as T2 won't fit with my current fit
Mike Whiite Keystone Industrial 58	Posted - 2012.07.11 10:42:00 - [22] - Quote Hookbill fanboy here o/ yes it's better, yes it's worth it. Though is shines best in FW, since it can enter all FW plexes unllike T2 frigates. Double Web someone and kite on 7500 m and start lauching at people that say missiles are crappy in PvP.
StoneCold Geordie Freckler 22	Posted - 2012.07.11 11:08:00 - [23] - Quote As i was part of fw i fought a couple hookbills. Every hook seems to bring tracking disruptors with them. Which was quite annoying.
Kalli Brixzat 66	Posted - 2012.07.11 14:59:00 - [24] - Quote snip
Kalli Brixzat 66	Posted - 2012.07.11 15:00:00 - [25] - Quote Mfume Apocal wrote: Kalli Brixzat wrote: That's one, overtanked PvE Hookbill for ya... but it will work. I'd go for a second Extender or CCC over the EM rig, but that's personal choice. If I'm going up against EM-heavy rats, I'll just fit two EM hardeners. Again, personal choice. I'd go for T2 rocket launchers so I could fire T2 rockets for max DPS. But hey, I might be crazy. Fitting would become an issue if you put T2 Launchers on it. You'd probably need a Launcher CPU efficiency implant.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 95	Posted - 2012.07.11 16:37:00 - [26] - Quote Mfume Apocal wrote: Kalli Brixzat wrote: That's one, overtanked PvE Hookbill for ya... but it will work. I'd go for a second Extender or CCC over the EM rig, but that's personal choice. If I'm going up against EM-heavy rats, I'll just fit two EM hardeners. Again, personal choice. I'd go for T2 rocket launchers so I could fire T2 rockets for max DPS. But hey, I might be crazy. Maybe you could call me. CAUTION SNIGGS
strenif Caldari War Machine STR8NGE BREW 9	Posted - 2012.07.18 17:30:00 - [27] - Quote Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote: Mfume Apocal wrote: Kalli Brixzat wrote: That's one, overtanked PvE Hookbill for ya... but it will work. I'd go for a second Extender or CCC over the EM rig, but that's personal choice. If I'm going up against EM-heavy rats, I'll just fit two EM hardeners. Again, personal choice. I'd go for T2 rocket launchers so I could fire T2 rockets for max DPS. But hey, I might be crazy. Maybe you could call me. Danger, Will Robinson!
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.07.18 18:40:00 - [28] - Quote Mike Whiite wrote: Hookbill fanboy here o/ yes it's better, yes it's worth it. Though is shines best in FW, since it can enter all FW plexes unllike T2 frigates. Double Web someone and kite on 7500 m and start lauching at people that say missiles are crappy in PvP. Rocket or Lights? (And I assume you're talking T2)
Korg Tronix Time Bandits. 53	Posted - 2012.07.18 21:23:00 - [29] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: Ive also seen dual prop hookbills a few times, although they suffer from a serious drop in EHP as you cant fit an MSE unless you gimp the fit in other areas. Not strictly true i get 7.6k ehp out of my dual prop with 170 heated dps so it isnt bad.....and it makes them great at killing tackle in 0.0 Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Hatsumi Kobayashi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 106	Posted - 2012.07.18 21:36:00 - [30] - Quote Korg Tronix wrote: Darek Castigatus wrote: Ive also seen dual prop hookbills a few times, although they suffer from a serious drop in EHP as you cant fit an MSE unless you gimp the fit in other areas. Not strictly true i get 7.6k ehp out of my dual prop with 170 heated dps so it isnt bad.....and it makes them great at killing tackle in 0.0 Big fan of the dprop Hookbill (and by extension, dprop Hawk). Back in the dramiel swarm days I found it to be a pretty decent dram hunter. I haven't had much success with neither the bill or hawk recently, but I fear that's more due to my method of getting fights, which is to go somewhere, goad people into fighting me until twenty are angry/annoyed enough to shoot my lone frigate and just volley me :smith: CAUTION SNIGGS
Traejun DiSanctis School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.07.18 22:06:00 - [31] - Quote Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote: Korg Tronix wrote: Darek Castigatus wrote: Ive also seen dual prop hookbills a few times, although they suffer from a serious drop in EHP as you cant fit an MSE unless you gimp the fit in other areas. Not strictly true i get 7.6k ehp out of my dual prop with 170 heated dps so it isnt bad.....and it makes them great at killing tackle in 0.0 Big fan of the dprop Hookbill (and by extension, dprop Hawk). Back in the dramiel swarm days I found it to be a pretty decent dram hunter. I haven't had much success with neither the bill or hawk recently, but I fear that's more due to my method of getting fights, which is to go somewhere, goad people into fighting me until twenty are angry/annoyed enough to shoot my lone frigate and just volley me :smith: Hookbill still gets the job done fairly well. With the right fitting skills, you can turn a Hookbill into a pretty bad bird. That said... if you want Caldari frigate combat, just go Merlin until you strain into a Harpy. The Hawk's day has some and gone.
Rath Kelbore The Six-Pack Syndicate 263	Posted - 2012.07.18 22:31:00 - [32] - Quote Quit hatin on the OP for asking about a ship haha. If everyone did all their own research then 99.9% of forum posts would not exist. Then what would we do while bored at work??/ Anyways, Hookbill is in the top 5 of my fav frigs. Is it more cost effective than other frigs/ships, probably not. That's the case with most faction ships though isn't it? Play around in EFT(or preferably EVEHQ)with some fits. I prefer the dual web/scram/mse fit. Some advantages: Fast for a caldari frig Lots of mid slots Looks cool Some disadvantages: Expensive Not a whole lot of DPS compared to some other frigs. Could use more EHP imo I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Mike Whiite Keystone Industrial 60	Posted - 2012.07.19 07:13:00 - [33] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Mike Whiite wrote: Hookbill fanboy here o/ yes it's better, yes it's worth it. Though is shines best in FW, since it can enter all FW plexes unllike T2 frigates. Double Web someone and kite on 7500 m and start lauching at people that say missiles are crappy in PvP. Rocket or Lights? (And I assume you're talking T2) Fitting is something like this. High: - T2 Rocket Lancher 3x Mid: - X5 Prototype Engine Enevator 1x - Fleeting Propulsion Inhibator I 1x - Warp scrambler II - Experimental MN1 Afterburner I - Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity Low: - Overdrive Injector System II - Balistic control System II Riggs -Small Core Defence Field Extender I 2x -Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I 1x Cap stable 1vs1 will give you a fighting chance to almost all frigates and destroyers (not especialy fitted to kill you) Kite at 7.5km hit Overheat Lights have little use at the moment, the only Caldari Missile ships I see them on are the Crow and the Caracal (Rapid missiles laucnhers)
Mysa EVIL PLANKTON 9	Posted - 2012.07.19 08:55:00 - [34] - Quote or go for the ever so popular kiting setups that 80% uses atm. i would go for this in pvp just to annoy Dd's and artys craps. Heated Fed navy webs are 18.2km, set orbite to 21km and heat mwd first pulse to get the range and bore your targets until you get the mails! [Caldari Navy Hookbill, stoopid dd's] Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 150 Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Javelin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Javelin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Javelin Rocket Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II 30km range rockets, 30km disruptor non heated. Low dmg but hey, its annoying! (implant free)
Mike Whiite Keystone Industrial 60	Posted - 2012.07.19 11:32:00 - [35] - Quote Nice setup Mysa. Expensive, but very cool.

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