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Loki Vice
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.06 04:43:00 -
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faction warfare is obviously broken, not even just on the Amarr-Minmatar side. The Galentte and Caldari both have multiple systems that are vulnerable and no one even bothers to cap due to mechanics that make no sense.
Faction warfare could be the defining element of eve right along side with null-sec if we had someone other than Hans being our tie in with CCP.
Down with Hans
Hans can't hear you through his piles of isk
Hats or Good fights?!
pinky feldman is a god damned hero
whats that? quit whining |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
527
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Posted - 2012.07.06 04:44:00 -
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"incentives" |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:20:00 -
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HUH???
I like the FW changes.
Just need faction NPC's not to attack their own Militias in their own High Sec and it's 100% perfect. (Or delete them ffs CCP)
Hans was thrown in the deep end. No point trying to lay blame on him.
Those systems are left vulnerable for a reason.
Sorry - I have to say it:
Working as Intended.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Loki Vice
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:58:00 -
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If you are leaving systems vulnerable for a reason there are mechanics that are obviously broken, you should always want to hold your own ****.
WANTED
Hans doesn't even fight
Pinky has been places... dark places
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:00:00 -
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You lot (FW players) voted for him.
Deal with it. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:17:00 -
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Loki Vice wrote:If you are leaving systems vulnerable for a reason there are mechanics that are obviously broken, you should always want to hold your own ****.
"He who defends everything, defends nothing" - Some dude who clearly didnt do pvp (at least in Eve)
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
217
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:25:00 -
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CSM campaigns starting early this year???
BTW - I love the logic "Hans made the sky blue, I will get everyone more fights!!!!"
Why won't CCP fix the ongoing FW issues? Fix the speed tanking of plexes
CCP Sreegs - I'm just Winston Wolf |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc
Late Night Alliance
177
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:59:00 -
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Susan Black for CSM!!
http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Dread Pirate Pete
Tribal Core
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:32:00 -
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Loki Vice wrote:faction warfare is obviously broken
And Hans broke it!
Git yer torches un pitchforks and head for Devoid!  |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
320
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:42:00 -
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I didn't get my free Hans Job, down with Hans! 
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
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Posted - 2012.07.06 10:22:00 -
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I dunno, I made a fresh alt and after 12 hours of training am raking in isk. You must be doing something wrong if yours is broken, it's working fine for me.
SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
218
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:20:00 -
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As much I appreciate where your rant is coming from .....
The election and subsequent appointment of our single non-null CSM member (Worms are technically null) came after CCP had spent their 10 minutes "fixing" Faction Warfare. If everything was hammered down at FanFest (launched 100% as presented despite complaints) one can only assume it was in place well before said gathering.
The iterations coming this winter/spring however, which look like they may actually make FW work again, are born from feedback from an active FW participant rather than solely from the disconnected/addled brains studying spreadsheets in Icelands ..
Question is if it will be enough to resuscitate FW, personally have my doubts. My biggest fear currently is that the shoddy work CCP pushed as the Great FW Overhaul!!!!!Gäó in Crucible and the feeling that you represent, will make any hope of getting another 'FW friendly' CSM elected again (we need two for maximum pressure!) as people will be struck by the same disillusionment that plagues real world politics .. the "why bother, doesn't make a difference" feeling.
Best thing we can do is try to change CCP's way of doing things. If they do not have any qualified in-game experience "in house" with any given aspect of Eve, then they should be encouraged/cajoled/forced to query the population prior to making plans.
One might say they did so with Crucible FW changes, but for some whacked out reason they chose to focus only last summers threads/responses, hence the insane incentivization with barely anything else .. had they instead done the "right" thing and collated data/opinions as it has been presented over the years we would have had incentives AND meaningful gameplay changes (maybe even a rekindling of the heavy RP start FW had!  )
!!!!!!!!
(Exclamation points. Just because.) |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2591
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:33:00 -
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You know "not capturing" a vulnerable enemy system makes ALOT of sense in some circumstances right (its a strategic choice on denying the enemy an income). If you aren't intending (or need to) upgrade a system to make a particular control tier (and you don't want to operate from that system) its far more sensible to plex it to vulnerable and leave it than to flip it just so the enemy can earn income for plexing.
If you want to solve this issue then you should probably be asking for some more interesting upgrades (maybe branching ones) that the person putting LP into the HUB can choose at the time of donation.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2591
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:36:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:Susan Black for CSM!!
I'd give Susan a vote!
(anybody who gets primaried before me has to be doing something right)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Batelle
Aliastra
74
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:41:00 -
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just remove all npcs from lowsec plexes, or make shooting the npcs not result in faction standings loss.
My reaction to the tier system and skill tree overhaul https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=899560#post899560 |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
190
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:05:00 -
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You lot think Hans has any say in the new FW mechanics?
The inferno mechanics were announced RIGHT after CSM elections. Hans could not of had time to voice his opinion to on how things should be from his point of view.
Besides lets be honest. Hans never had a clear A,B and C agenda he just rode the dismay and fustration train all FW pilots had towards CCP to the CSM office.
The only thing the CSM are allowed is sneak peak previews of changes CCP ALREADY decided long before we do.
All tinfoil hat theories aside regarding minnies being the militia to most capitolize on the FW changes before the inferno patch, Hans has little to no say in how CCP plans things. Likeall the CSM before them. They can make noise, they can be consulted, but in my opinion there is nothing a CSM can bring to CCP's attention any good read of these forums cant. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
2619
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:17:00 -
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Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham".
Makes perfect sense when you think about it....
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Gitanmaxx
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:18:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it....
HAHA, you also caused global warming and the extinction of the dinosaurs. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
2620
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:27:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:
HAHA, you also caused global warming and the extinction of the dinosaurs.
Thankfully my Goonswarm benefactor overlords have invested their billions made into alternative energy development, so hopefully we'll be seeing a cooler, more dino-friendly New Eden in the not-too-distant future.....
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:27:00 -
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Loki Vice wrote:faction warfare is obviously broken, not even just on the Amarr-Minmatar side. The Galentte and Caldari both have multiple systems that are vulnerable and no one even bothers to cap due to mechanics that make no sense.
Faction warfare could be the defining element of eve right along side with null-sec if we had someone other than Hans being our tie in with CCP.
WTF are you on about?!?!! People don't bother to mess with it because they're busy running missions (or running from the Minnies). |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:02:00 -
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This thread amuses me.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:07:00 -
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Remove all CSM. That's something worth supporting... |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
190
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:11:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it....
Well Hans, Just putting to words what is apparent from all CSM stances on issues. Case in point incarna with Mittani all for incarna prior to it being released. (see his ten ton hammer article regarding Incarna before it was released).
But you can put all of this to light if you came out with a clear A, B C agenda and what you proposed, what you will propose etc. Because as of now you have no one to blame for being what you said you are in your above post. No one to blame but yourself. Com out and be clear and straight forward. Otherwise it is up to guess and theories.
I mean you do plan on revisiting the things you claimed in your 'elect me' thread and compare what happened versus what didnt dont you? dont you? |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:14:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it....
Hans has three kinds of comments. This is one of them - he likes this kind of comment so much he's perfectly willing to fail to understand plain English to get to deploy it, which is what he usually must do. Another is "Don't say bad things about CCP! CCP are nice people!" The last is just an attention-getter. If you were to characterize the role of CSM based on what comes out of his mouth, what a CSM does is furiously defend CCP's honor and then shitpost if there's no opportunity for that.
Although due to the OP, he has gone off and made a bunch of useful posts in other threads. Good job! This may be the button to push.
Stalking Mantis is mostly correct, in his first post, but it should still make you uncomfortable that a buffoon like Hans is "the FW guy" in any capacity. When the minutes come out I expect most of his contributions will have been cut out of comment type #3. |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
190
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:28:00 -
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In other words Hans.
Give me the standard to compare you doing well versus you doing not so well. So I know that my vote was well placed or if I need it to change next time around. Dont get me wrong I have nothing against you....yet.
The reason I cannot be against you or with you though is you did not highlight what you did etc. what you succeded in what you failed in. Just make it clear for us and then see how you will be judged based on your actions not some tinfoil hat theories. |
Wenron
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:39:00 -
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Instead of pissing and moaning about Hans, why not post constructive material. Help the guy out. Here, this is an example of something useful (hypothetical):
"Hans, when you respond to comments with _____ it gives the impression that _____."
Personally, I don' t like the sarcasm or playing the martyr in some of his posts. I feel that it undermines Hans' status as the player representative to CCP.
That doesn't mean that I am not empathetic to him. I would be torqued off if I was in his position getting bombarded with 'you suck' for no particular reason other than a third party did something that you perceive as bad.
I have seen plenty of logical well thought out posts from Hans. Overall, if we want changes, we need to work with Hans and provide coherent, constructive criticism to CCP.
Waaaah, just isn't going to do it. Neither is cutting Hans off at the knees. On the one hand we want him to relay our ideas to CCP, but on the other, threads like this complain that he isn't fit to represent us. What is CCP to make of that?
Like him or not, he's our CSM so f'ing get behind him if you're serious about wanting your ideas represented. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
146
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:43:00 -
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It might be nice if this campaign ad could spell "Gallente" correctly. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
2622
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:44:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it.... Hans has three kinds of comments. This is one of them - he likes this kind of comment so much he's perfectly willing to fail to understand plain English to get to deploy it, which is what he usually must do. Another is "Don't say bad things about CCP! CCP are nice people!" The last is just an attention-getter. If you were to characterize the role of CSM based on what comes out of his mouth, what a CSM does is furiously defend CCP's honor and then shitpost if there's no opportunity for that. Although due to the OP, he has gone off and made a bunch of useful posts in other threads. Good job! This may be the button to push. Stalking Mantis is mostly correct, in his first post, but it should still make you uncomfortable that a buffoon like Hans is "the FW guy" in any capacity. When the minutes come out I expect most of his contributions will have been cut out of comment type #3.
LOL I was simply taking a moment today to scan for other FW threads that I may have missed, and steer the conversations back into the official dev-monitored threads I've been hanging out in. Normally I wouldn't reply to this kind of silliness, but the conflicting reports about me being either completely useless, or completely destructive, just made me laugh. 
You can continue to make goofy pictures containing lulzy fiction, but don't be fooled into thinking its the way to get my attention. If you want to have a meaningful discussion about the mechanics however, I'm all ears.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
225
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:51:00 -
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I read all the forums, I read all the CSM minutes, I still have no ideea what Hans sugested, what was accepted or rejected out of those sugestions, etc.
Either I have a reading problem or the guy is a waste of an airplane ticket to Iceland. When you compare him to ppl like Seleene, Mittens, Elise, Meissa, etc, he looks like a kid with a broomstick trying to fight in WW II. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
2622
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Posted - 2012.07.06 20:03:00 -
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Lock out wrote:I read all the forums, I read all the CSM minutes, I still have no idea what Hans suggested, what was accepted or rejected out of those sugestions, etc.
Either I have a reading problem or the guy is a waste of an airplane ticket to Iceland. When you compare him to ppl like Seleene, Mittens, Elise, Meissa, etc, he looks like a kid with a broomstick trying to fight in WW II.
If you've been reading the CSM minutes, we have a serious breach of security - the minutes from the recent summit session haven't even been released yet.
Also, an airplane ticket would most certainly be wasted, as I am not one of the travelling CSM members.  I did however have quite a discussion with CCP about the feature during the dedicated session, I was able to teleconference and share my concerns and suggestions with the developers.
We're currently in the form of writing up the minutes from the summit, we're already up to over 120 pages covering the proceedings in detail. (historically they've arrived at about 45 pages). There's been a few times in recent weeks that I've been tempted to write up a blog covering what I went over the summit, but the player base in general is best served by the CSM focusing on actually completing the minutes, instead of talking about stuff that'll be in the minutes anyways.
So yes, you're absolutely right, you haven't heard much from me (other than continuing to post in the threads pertaining to the stuff CCP's actually working on) but its because we're knee-deep in the minutes project.
CCP is currently on summer vacation, so there's likely to be a month or so before traction begins again in earnest on the next batch of iterations, so there will be plenty of time for the minutes to come out, for all of you to get a sense for where the feature stands, and to give feedback early with regards to the Winter Expansion.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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