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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.07.06 20:09:00 -
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I hacked your PC :)
Jk, I was reffering to the summary someone posted on EN24 (Seleene ?) . But yeah didn;t even have a clue CCP is mostly on vacation or that will be a month or so till a new developement cycle starts, you'd prove yourself very useful keeping us up to date with **** like that. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
320
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Posted - 2012.07.06 20:27:00 -
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Lock out wrote:I hacked your PC :)
Jk, I was reffering to the summary someone posted on EN24 (Seleene ?) . But yeah didn;t even have a clue CCP is mostly on vacation or that will be a month or so till a new developement cycle starts, you'd prove yourself very useful keeping us up to date with **** like that.
Is that not what he just did? Haha. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2626
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Posted - 2012.07.06 20:30:00 -
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Lock out wrote:I hacked your PC :)
Jk, I was reffering to the summary someone posted on EN24 (Seleene ?) . But yeah didn;t even have a clue CCP is mostly on vacation or that will be a month or so till a new developement cycle starts, you'd prove yourself very useful keeping us up to date with **** like that.
No problem, happy to help. If you ever need to get ahold of me, dont be afraid to send me a convo in-game or an evemail. I'll even give you all my skype name so you can hit me up anytime, I have it on at work and at home:
Hans.Jagerblitzen
Especially when I get busy, like with the minutes project, I may seem a little quiet on the forum front but I always try to make time for anyone that wants to chat about this stuff, most that have approached me can attest to that. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
191
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Posted - 2012.07.06 20:59:00 -
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Jut be more visible on the forums.
My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun.
Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support.
Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2627
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Posted - 2012.07.06 21:59:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Jut be more visible on the forums.
My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun.
Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support.
Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you.
And I appreciate your understanding. To be honest, I'm not particularly worried about threads like this. There's always going to be a few that refuse to pay attention to what's going on and end up making the type silly claims that were in those pics linked in the OP. (Those that were watching the forums and listening to me know that I endorsed a full reset of the warzone pre-inferno, and took hell from my friends as a result. And contrary to the moneybags stereotype, I actually made a whopping 85,000 LP before the big cashout.)
As far as visibilty goes, I don't know what everyone expects, to be honest. I can't pop up in every single Faction Warfare thread that exists, there's simply too many and the goal should be to have it in as *few* threads as possible anyways, if you want my attention or CCP's attention.
I think what people also don't always understand is that all the time spend posting in the forums, is time taking away from discussing things from CCP, or in the case of the last few weeks, doing my job preparing the minutes. CSM work just pulls you a lot of different ways - and personally I would rather spend my time doing the work where CCP is concerned, than spending my time trying to groom my PR image because people don't read my posts or take the time to convo me if they have questions or concerns.
Getting issues like the plexing bug resolved, and the e-war removal that was release last week, have been recent efforts that speak for themselves in terms of success - these were objectives I was both clear about, and delivered upon. I've also been quite clear about the next set of immediate concerns - chiefly NPC rebalancing, ending all non-combat alt farming, and addressing some of the core motivational issues regarding the plex system. I could make even more threads to reiterate the stuff I've already said about these issues in other threads, but if people aren't reading my posts to begin with it just becomes another waste of time and forum space. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
484
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:00:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Jut be more visible on the forums.
My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun.
Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support.
Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you.
I like this post until you got to the "we all love minutes" part. The only minutes that were valuable was from csm 5. And the only reason they were valuable was because ccp didn't really read them. Since then all minutes are combed through and warmed over until we end up with 50 pages of mush that tells us pretty much nothing but just repeats some platitudes.
Edit: Bottom line you are right. CSM needs to communicate with players on these forums. Not in townhalls where they give their soundbites. Not in blogs where there is spin and no actual discussion with players. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
484
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:05:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:. I've also been quite clear about the next set of immediate concerns - chiefly ...., and addressing some of the core motivational issues regarding the plex system.
What does that last bit mean? Link to a post or something would be fine. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2627
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:17:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:. I've also been quite clear about the next set of immediate concerns - chiefly ...., and addressing some of the core motivational issues regarding the plex system. What does that last bit mean? Link to a post or something would be fine.
Essentially the lack of a reason to defend space, leading to everyone intentionally trading systems for profit, rather than being willing to CONFRONT the enemy and fight them over something. (You know, actually PvPing in FW!! A novel idea.)
This occurs on a plex-by-plex level (farmers just bounce to the next plex if challenged in anyways, and bounce right back and resume later) and a system-by-system level (there is little incentive to hold territory unless you either dock and live there, or you want it purely for the WZ control points.) There just isn't enough meaningful system upgrades to entice people to use the system for any other reason than just cheap LP gear.
And worst of all, if you can't achieve a desireable cash-out level, and the enemy seemingly takes back systems as quickly as you capture them, the combined morale effect eliminates the incentive to invest in the system completely. This is exactly why we're seeing an all-too-predictable turn of events, milita corps joining other militias for better pay. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
484
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:45:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Cearain wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:. I've also been quite clear about the next set of immediate concerns - chiefly ...., and addressing some of the core motivational issues regarding the plex system. What does that last bit mean? Link to a post or something would be fine. Essentially the lack of a reason to defend space, leading to everyone intentionally trading systems for profit, rather than being willing to CONFRONT the enemy and fight them over something. (You know, actually PvPing in FW!! A novel idea.) This occurs on a plex-by-plex level (farmers just bounce to the next plex if challenged in anyways, and bounce right back and resume later) and a system-by-system level (there is little incentive to hold territory unless you either dock and live there, or you want it purely for the WZ control points.) There just isn't enough meaningful system upgrades to entice people to use the system for any other reason than just cheap LP gear.
Well I agree on the plex by plex level.
But on the system by system level you seem to contradict yourself. Gaining control of the systems for getting cheap lp gear is a huge reason to control systems. Why do you think we need more reason than the war zone control points?
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
And worst of all, if you can't achieve a desireable cash-out level, and the enemy seemingly takes back systems as quickly as you capture them, the combined morale effect eliminates the incentive to invest in the system completely. This is exactly why we're seeing an all-too-predictable turn of events, milita corps joining other militias for better pay.
Why do you think joining other militias is bad? I think ccp should just help us identify our allied militias and the problem is solved. Are you surprised that the militias that have the easiest rats to fight in their home system are winning the war and therefore everyone is joining them?
I also don't see anything wrong with the current situation where you upgrade and flip systems in order to cash out in the lp store. It means people actually have to use strategy on when they will flip systems and when they will leave them vulnerable. Instead of just charging ahead like a wild pig and taking every system as soon as they can. More strategy is good not bad.
Its not because we have a low morale that we don't invest in upgrades to a system unless we want to cash out. Its because we are using our brains.
Hans The only time I heard you talk about this was in relation to Susan Black's horribly biased idea that people should get lp for defensive plexing. You are not actually thinking of proposing that to ccp are you? That idea has come up several times and it gets shot down every time. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Banzai Comet Crew
305
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Posted - 2012.07.06 23:17:00 -
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What were those famous words? Yeah, that's it. "Sandbox"
Bah. Large number of great fights nowadays (best thing about this expansion) mixed in with greedy little afk plexing bastards (that turn up everywhere in the Eve universe where easy payouts are to be had). |
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Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
193
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Posted - 2012.07.06 23:33:00 -
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Thank you Hans |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2629
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Posted - 2012.07.07 00:16:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Hans The only time I heard you talk about this was in relation to Susan Black's horribly biased idea that people should get lp for defensive plexing. You are not actually thinking of proposing that to ccp are you? That idea has come up several times and it gets shot down every time.
NO. Relax.
Firstly, it was never about some self-serving defensive plex thing. Even if it WAS all about defensive payouts, that wouldn't make her biased. There have been individuals on all four sides of the conflict that have advocated LP-for defensive plexing in some fashion or another, there's no reason to twist it into a partisan issue.
Secondly, you're still missing the point of her proposal, Susan was simply trying to address the need for an incentive to upgrade and defend *specific* systems, instead of just counting them collectively for points. Yes, WZ points are a powerful incentive, but it doesnt make defending Auga more important than Amamake. That sense of individual importance is sorely lacking, hence the systems traded freely cause no one cares about them other than for a point count. CCP was *trying* to instill the sense of individual value through the system upgrades, but its just not quite there yet.
As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.
o7
-Hans has left the building Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2012.07.07 04:23:00 -
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OP is definitely not a Pinky Feldman alt. Nope. Not one bit. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
219
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Posted - 2012.07.07 05:26:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Getting issues like the plexing bug resolved, and the e-war removal that was release last week, have been recent efforts that speak for themselves in terms of success - these were objectives I was both clear about and delivered upon. CCP has gone through the motions every five to six months since the beginning trying to squash the timer bug (has consistently been tied to the damn timer so must be related) and Amarr/Gallente have been bitching and moaning about eWar being one of the major imbalances .. also since the beginning.
So not sure its proper to take credit for those as all it has probably required is mentioning it in passing and pointing to threads
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Essentially the lack of a reason to defend space... Goddess yes.
I suggested that CCP should be forced to play the game or consult the playbase if they don't feel their knowledge of working mechanics is up to par before planning changes. Wouldn't even have to be a public thing (ex. F&I forum) but a series of virtual (ex. skype) roundtables on invite basis or something should suffice for most things. They clearly have very little experience with the inner working of FW (alternative is that they are just daft/malicious), which is why I personally is rather irate as we have spammed issues and suggestions for fixes since forever but the recent changes only include the "latest" portion of it (ie. Farmers lamentations).
They have already admitted that they don't get to play as often as they might like, which is shame as a spreadsheet does not really convey the tedium involved with mining, orbiting, grinding EHP or any other of the multitude of things that one has to see/feel/experience to believe in this sandbox of ours. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
217
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Posted - 2012.07.07 07:12:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Jut be more visible on the forums.
My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun.
Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support.
Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you. This is a topic I have discussed with Hans. He needs to have something that lists what he is working on, has achieved and intends to pursue so people can follow his actions and judge reasonably how he has gone with his time on the CSM Why won't CCP fix the ongoing FW issues? Fix the speed tanking of plexes
CCP Sreegs - I'm just Winston Wolf |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
703
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Posted - 2012.07.07 07:59:00 -
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Hans, such a damn politician.
Back when he posted a 20 page PDF full of nothing particularly useful and called for all other "highsec candidates" to "search their hearts" and withdraw because he was the one that was going to win... I figured he was functionally useless, and I was disheartened when he made it onto the council regardless.
I just wish the FW candidate could have been more focused on FW and fixing it rather than playing political games and screwing around. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature |
The Medusa
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.07.07 09:19:00 -
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Othran wrote:You lot (FW players) voted for him.
Deal with it.
I do not think votes counted this year.
Iam Widdershins wrote:Hans, such a damn politician.
Back when he posted a 20 page PDF full of nothing particularly useful and called for all other "highsec candidates" to "search their hearts" and withdraw because he was the one that was going to win... I figured he was functionally useless, and I was disheartened when he made it onto the council regardless.
I just wish the FW candidate could have been more focused on FW and fixing it rather than playing political games and screwing around.
I do believe it took a few selected pilots from a NULL sec alliance to get the FW Status to level 5. Maybe you should vote for them, because they understand game mechanics. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
227
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:58:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.
o7
-Hans has left the building
m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside . |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
96
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:35:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.
o7
-Hans has left the building
m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside .
Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first |
Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
601
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:53:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Lock out wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.
o7
-Hans has left the building
m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside . Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM? |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
321
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:04:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Lock out wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.
o7
-Hans has left the building
m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside . Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM?
But... he DOES post in Warfare and Tactics? What are you guys QQing about, I don't understand. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
101
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:17:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote: But... he DOES post in Warfare and Tactics? What are you guys QQing about, I don't understand.
I can't stand the CSM the whole concept is terrible none of that psuedo democratic crap represents me.
That Hans guy should shut up go sit in the corner and stop being the rubber stamp of legitimacy to the **** decisions CCP continues to make on a daily basis, so CCP can't keep claiming every fuckup was seen by the CSM first so lolololol it's not our fault it's terrible.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
96
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:15:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Lock out wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.
o7
-Hans has left the building
m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside . Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM?
You do realise reading up on players concerns doesnt actually require him to post anything?? Doubly so when some members seem to use every one of his posts as an excuse to attack him.
I'll agree that yes this is the discussion forum for faction warfare but we arent talking about discussions, we're tallking about concrete ideas and peoples opinions of said ideas, and that is where F&I comes in because thats what its for. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
534
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Posted - 2012.07.09 02:47:00 -
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man you guys **** on your CSM |
X Gallentius
Banzai Comet Crew
306
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:09:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:man you guys **** on your CSM Old habits die hard. We live in low sec. We kill everything that moves. |
Loki Vice
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:37:00 -
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I think if Hans actually opened up communications publicly with CEO's of ALL factions and has a discussion about the state and FW, and actually presented it to CCP.... but nope
Because it's Hans |
Cookies'n'Cream
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:47:00 -
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Loki Vice wrote:I think if Hans actually opened up communications publicly with CEO's of ALL factions and has a discussion about the state and FW, and actually presented it to CCP.... but nope
I think if Loki actually paid attention to anything that was going on.....but nope.
Faction Warfare Round Table
Have you ever actually tried to talk to Hans? or do you just sit back and talk smack.... |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
159
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Posted - 2012.07.11 09:11:00 -
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I think Hans did not ruin FW, Hans actually did nothing.
But we can fuckup hans business by taking minmatar systems, grief him to madness and make him to beg CCP to change something.
Overall it is about player actions in game, stop talking, take minmatar plexes and soon we can see minmatar systems turning to vulnerable.
When there is enough bunkers to shoot at someone will be interested about those.
Every single plex is a drop at lake, but after long rain it starts flooding. |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
260
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Posted - 2012.07.11 10:29:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Silence iKillYouu wrote:Susan Black for CSM!! I'd give Susan a vote! (anybody who gets primaried before me has to be doing something right)
You just lost all credibility to me. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
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