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Loki Vice Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.07.06 04:43:00 - [1] - Quote faction warfare is obviously broken, not even just on the Amarr-Minmatar side. The Galentte and Caldari both have multiple systems that are vulnerable and no one even bothers to cap due to mechanics that make no sense. Faction warfare could be the defining element of eve right along side with null-sec if we had someone other than Hans being our tie in with CCP. Down with Hans Hans can't hear you through his piles of isk Hats or Good fights?! pinky feldman is a god damned hero whats that? quit whining
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 527	Posted - 2012.07.06 04:44:00 - [2] - Quote "incentives"
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 30	Posted - 2012.07.06 06:20:00 - [3] - Quote HUH??? I like the FW changes. Just need faction NPC's not to attack their own Militias in their own High Sec and it's 100% perfect. (Or delete them ffs CCP) Hans was thrown in the deep end. No point trying to lay blame on him. Those systems are left vulnerable for a reason. Sorry - I have to say it: Working as Intended. Fix this **** See Sea Pea.
Loki Vice Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.07.06 06:58:00 - [4] - Quote If you are leaving systems vulnerable for a reason there are mechanics that are obviously broken, you should always want to hold your own ****. WANTED Hans doesn't even fight Pinky has been places... dark places
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 216	Posted - 2012.07.06 07:00:00 - [5] - Quote You lot (FW players) voted for him. Deal with it.
Yuri Intaki Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing 11	Posted - 2012.07.06 07:17:00 - [6] - Quote Loki Vice wrote: If you are leaving systems vulnerable for a reason there are mechanics that are obviously broken, you should always want to hold your own ***. "He who defends everything, defends nothing*" - Some dude who clearly didnt do pvp (at least in Eve)
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 217	Posted - 2012.07.06 07:25:00 - [7] - Quote CSM campaigns starting early this year??? BTW - I love the logic "Hans made the sky blue, I will get everyone more fights!!!!" Why won't CCP fix the ongoing FW issues? Fix the speed tanking of plexes CCP Sreegs - I'm just Winston Wolf
Silence iKillYouu KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance 177	Posted - 2012.07.06 08:59:00 - [8] - Quote Susan Black for CSM!! http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/
Dread Pirate Pete Tribal Core Defiant Legacy 15	Posted - 2012.07.06 09:32:00 - [9] - Quote Loki Vice wrote: faction warfare is obviously broken And Hans broke it! Git yer torches un pitchforks and head for Devoid!
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 320	Posted - 2012.07.06 09:42:00 - [10] - Quote I didn't get my free Hans Job, down with Hans! *Sa souvraya niende misain ye.*
Cat Casidy Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY 46	Posted - 2012.07.06 10:22:00 - [11] - Quote I dunno, I made a fresh alt and after 12 hours of training am raking in isk. You must be doing something wrong if yours is broken, it's working fine for me. SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars
Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 218	Posted - 2012.07.06 13:20:00 - [12] - Quote As much I appreciate where your rant is coming from ..... The election and subsequent appointment of our single non-null CSM member (Worms are technically null) came after CCP had spent their 10 minutes "fixing" Faction Warfare. If everything was hammered down at FanFest (launched 100% as presented despite complaints) one can only assume it was in place well before said gathering. The iterations coming this winter/spring however, which look like they may actually make FW work again, are born from feedback from an active FW participant rather than solely from the disconnected/addled brains studying spreadsheets in Icelands .. Question is if it will be enough to resuscitate FW, personally have my doubts. My biggest fear currently is that the shoddy work CCP pushed as the Great FW Overhaul!!!!!Gäó in Crucible and the feeling that you represent, will make any hope of getting another 'FW friendly' CSM elected again (we need two for maximum pressure!) as people will be struck by the same disillusionment that plagues real world politics .. the "why bother, doesn't make a difference" feeling. Best thing we can do is try to change CCP's way of doing things. If they do not have any qualified in-game experience "in house" with any given aspect of Eve, then they should be encouraged/cajoled/forced to query the population prior to making plans. One might say they did so with Crucible FW changes, but for some whacked out reason they chose to focus only last summers threads/responses, hence the insane incentivization with barely anything else .. had they instead done the "right" thing and collated data/opinions as it has been presented over the years we would have had incentives AND meaningful gameplay changes (maybe even a rekindling of the heavy RP start FW had! ) !!!!!!!! (Exclamation points. Just because.)
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2591	Posted - 2012.07.06 13:33:00 - [13] - Quote Loki Vice wrote: faction warfare is obviously broken, not even just on the Amarr-Minmatar side. The Galentte and Caldari both have multiple systems that are vulnerable and no one even bothers to cap due to mechanics that make no sense. Faction warfare could be the defining element of eve right along side with null-sec if we had someone other than Hans being our tie in with CCP. Down with Hans Hans can't hear you through his piles of isk Hats or Good fights?! pinky feldman is a god damned hero whats that? quit whining You know "not capturing" a vulnerable enemy system makes ALOT of sense in some circumstances right (its a strategic choice on denying the enemy an income). If you aren't intending (or need to) upgrade a system to make a particular control tier (and you don't want to operate from that system) its far more sensible to plex it to vulnerable and leave it than to flip it just so the enemy can earn income for plexing. If you want to solve this issue then you should probably be asking for some more interesting upgrades (maybe branching ones) that the person putting LP into the HUB can choose at the time of donation. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for ~~FREE~~ $300,000 dollars :(-á
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2591	Posted - 2012.07.06 13:36:00 - [14] - Quote Silence iKillYouu wrote: Susan Black for CSM!! I'd give Susan a vote! (anybody who gets primaried before me has to be doing something right) The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for ~~FREE~~ $300,000 dollars :(-á
Batelle Aliastra 74	Posted - 2012.07.06 13:41:00 - [15] - Quote just remove all npcs from lowsec plexes, or make shooting the npcs not result in faction standings loss. My reaction to the tier system and skill tree overhaul https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=899560#post899560
Stalking Mantis Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 190	Posted - 2012.07.06 15:05:00 - [16] - Quote You lot think Hans has any say in the new FW mechanics? The inferno mechanics were announced RIGHT after CSM elections. Hans could not of had time to voice his opinion to on how things should be from his point of view. Besides lets be honest. Hans never had a clear A,B and C agenda he just rode the dismay and fustration train all FW pilots had towards CCP to the CSM office. The only thing the CSM are allowed is sneak peak previews of changes CCP ALREADY decided long before we do. All tinfoil hat theories aside regarding minnies being the militia to most capitolize on the FW changes before the inferno patch, Hans has little to no say in how CCP plans things. Likeall the CSM before them. They can make noise, they can be consulted, but in my opinion there is nothing a CSM can bring to CCP's attention any good read of these forums cant.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2619	Posted - 2012.07.06 17:17:00 - [17] - Quote Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it.... Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Gitanmaxx Viziam Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2012.07.06 18:18:00 - [18] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it.... HAHA, you also caused global warming and the extinction of the dinosaurs.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2620	Posted - 2012.07.06 18:27:00 - [19] - Quote Gitanmaxx wrote: HAHA, you also caused global warming and the extinction of the dinosaurs. Thankfully my Goonswarm benefactor overlords have invested their billions made into alternative energy development, so hopefully we'll be seeing a cooler, more dino-friendly New Eden in the not-too-distant future..... Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Katja Faith Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 179	Posted - 2012.07.06 18:27:00 - [20] - Quote Loki Vice wrote: faction warfare is obviously broken, not even just on the Amarr-Minmatar side. The Galentte and Caldari both have multiple systems that are vulnerable and no one even bothers to cap due to mechanics that make no sense. Faction warfare could be the defining element of eve right along side with null-sec if we had someone other than Hans being our tie in with CCP. WTF are you on about?!?!! People don't bother to mess with it because they're busy running missions (or running from the Minnies).
Pinky Feldman Gank Bangers Moar Tears 213	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:02:00 - [21] - Quote This thread amuses me. The moar you cry the less you pee
Major Killz Chaotic Tranquility 30	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:07:00 - [22] - Quote Remove all CSM. That's something worth supporting...
Stalking Mantis Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 190	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:11:00 - [23] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it.... Well Hans, Just putting to words what is apparent from all CSM stances on issues. Case in point incarna with Mittani all for incarna prior to it being released. (see his ten ton hammer article regarding Incarna before it was released). But you can put all of this to light if you came out with a clear A, B C agenda and what you proposed, what you will propose etc. Because as of now you have no one to blame for being what you said you are in your above post. No one to blame but yourself. Com out and be clear and straight forward. Otherwise it is up to guess and theories. I mean you do plan on revisiting the things you claimed in your 'elect me' thread and compare what happened versus what didnt dont you? dont you?
Kuehnelt Devoid Privateering 114	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:14:00 - [24] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it.... Hans has three kinds of comments. This is one of them - he likes this kind of comment so much he's perfectly willing to fail to understand plain English to get to deploy it, which is what he usually must do. Another is "Don't say bad things about CCP! CCP are nice people!" The last is just an attention-getter. If you were to characterize the role of CSM based on what comes out of his mouth, what a CSM does is furiously defend CCP's honor and then shitpost if there's no opportunity for that. Although due to the OP, he has gone off and made a bunch of useful posts in other threads. Good job! This may be the button to push. Stalking Mantis is mostly correct, in his first post, but it should still make you uncomfortable that a buffoon like Hans is "the FW guy" in any capacity. When the minutes come out I expect most of his contributions will have been cut out of comment type #3.
Stalking Mantis Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 190	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:28:00 - [25] - Quote In other words Hans. Give me the standard to compare you doing well versus you doing not so well. So I know that my vote was well placed or if I need it to change next time around. Dont get me wrong I have nothing against you....yet. The reason I cannot be against you or with you though is you did not highlight what you did etc. what you succeded in what you failed in. Just make it clear for us and then see how you will be judged based on your actions not some tinfoil hat theories.
Wenron Rifterlings Ushra'Khan 23	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:39:00 - [26] - Quote Instead of pissing and moaning about Hans, why not post constructive material. Help the guy out. Here, this is an example of something useful (hypothetical): "Hans, when you respond to comments with _____ it gives the impression that _____." Personally, I don' t like the sarcasm or playing the martyr in some of his posts. I feel that it undermines Hans' status as the player representative to CCP. That doesn't mean that I am not empathetic to him. I would be torqued off if I was in his position getting bombarded with 'you suck' for no particular reason other than a third party did something that you perceive as bad. I have seen plenty of logical well thought out posts from Hans. Overall, if we want changes, we need to work with Hans and provide coherent, constructive criticism to CCP. Waaaah, just isn't going to do it. Neither is cutting Hans off at the knees. On the one hand we want him to relay our ideas to CCP, but on the other, threads like this complain that he isn't fit to represent us. What is CCP to make of that? Like him or not, he's our CSM so f'ing get behind him if you're serious about wanting your ideas represented.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate 146	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:43:00 - [27] - Quote Loki Vice wrote: Down with Hans It might be nice if this campaign ad could spell "Gallente" correctly.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2622	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:44:00 - [28] - Quote Kuehnelt wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham". Makes perfect sense when you think about it.... Hans has three kinds of comments. This is one of them - he likes this kind of comment so much he's perfectly willing to fail to understand plain English to get to deploy it, which is what he usually must do. Another is "Don't say bad things about CCP! CCP are nice people!" The last is just an attention-getter. If you were to characterize the role of CSM based on what comes out of his mouth, what a CSM does is furiously defend CCP's honor and then shitpost if there's no opportunity for that. Although due to the OP, he has gone off and made a bunch of useful posts in other threads. Good job! This may be the button to push. Stalking Mantis is mostly correct, in his first post, but it should still make you uncomfortable that a buffoon like Hans is "the FW guy" in any capacity. When the minutes come out I expect most of his contributions will have been cut out of comment type #3. LOL I was simply taking a moment today to scan for other FW threads that I may have missed, and steer the conversations back into the official dev-monitored threads I've been hanging out in. Normally I wouldn't reply to this kind of silliness, but the conflicting reports about me being either completely useless, or completely destructive, just made me laugh. You can continue to make goofy pictures containing lulzy fiction, but don't be fooled into thinking its the way to get my attention. If you want to have a meaningful discussion about the mechanics however, I'm all ears. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Lock out Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 225	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:51:00 - [29] - Quote I read all the forums, I read all the CSM minutes, I still have no ideea what Hans sugested, what was accepted or rejected out of those sugestions, etc. Either I have a reading problem or the guy is a waste of an airplane ticket to Iceland. When you compare him to ppl like Seleene, Mittens, Elise, Meissa, etc, he looks like a kid with a broomstick trying to fight in WW II.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2622	Posted - 2012.07.06 20:03:00 - [30] - Quote Lock out wrote: I read all the forums, I read all the CSM minutes, I still have no idea what Hans suggested, what was accepted or rejected out of those sugestions, etc. Either I have a reading problem or the guy is a waste of an airplane ticket to Iceland. When you compare him to ppl like Seleene, Mittens, Elise, Meissa, etc, he looks like a kid with a broomstick trying to fight in WW II. If you've been reading the CSM minutes, we have a serious breach of security - the minutes from the recent summit session haven't even been released yet. Also, an airplane ticket would most certainly be wasted, as I am not one of the travelling CSM members. I did however have quite a discussion with CCP about the feature during the dedicated session, I was able to teleconference and share my concerns and suggestions with the developers. We're currently in the form of writing up the minutes from the summit, we're already up to over 120 pages covering the proceedings in detail. (historically they've arrived at about 45 pages). There's been a few times in recent weeks that I've been tempted to write up a blog covering what I went over the summit, but the player base in general is best served by the CSM focusing on actually completing the minutes, instead of talking about stuff that'll be in the minutes anyways. So yes, you're absolutely right, you haven't heard much from me (other than continuing to post in the threads pertaining to the stuff CCP's actually working on) but its because we're knee-deep in the minutes project. CCP is currently on summer vacation, so there's likely to be a month or so before traction begins again in earnest on the next batch of iterations, so there will be plenty of time for the minutes to come out, for all of you to get a sense for where the feature stands, and to give feedback early with regards to the Winter Expansion. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Lock out Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 225	Posted - 2012.07.06 20:09:00 - [31] - Quote I hacked your PC :) Jk, I was reffering to the summary someone posted on EN24 (Seleene ?) . But yeah didn;t even have a clue CCP is mostly on vacation or that will be a month or so till a new developement cycle starts, you'd prove yourself very useful keeping us up to date with **** like that.
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 320	Posted - 2012.07.06 20:27:00 - [32] - Quote Lock out wrote: I hacked your PC :) Jk, I was reffering to the summary someone posted on EN24 (Seleene ?) . But yeah didn;t even have a clue CCP is mostly on vacation or that will be a month or so till a new developement cycle starts, you'd prove yourself very useful keeping us up to date with ** like that. Is that not what he just did? Haha. Sa souvraya niende misain ye.**
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2626	Posted - 2012.07.06 20:30:00 - [33] - Quote Lock out wrote: I hacked your PC :) Jk, I was reffering to the summary someone posted on EN24 (Seleene ?) . But yeah didn;t even have a clue CCP is mostly on vacation or that will be a month or so till a new developement cycle starts, you'd prove yourself very useful keeping us up to date with **** like that. No problem, happy to help. If you ever need to get ahold of me, dont be afraid to send me a convo in-game or an evemail. I'll even give you all my skype name so you can hit me up anytime, I have it on at work and at home: Hans.Jagerblitzen Especially when I get busy, like with the minutes project, I may seem a little quiet on the forum front but I always try to make time for anyone that wants to chat about this stuff, most that have approached me can attest to that. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Stalking Mantis Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 191	Posted - 2012.07.06 20:59:00 - [34] - Quote Jut be more visible on the forums. My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun. Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support. Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2627	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:59:00 - [35] - Quote Stalking Mantis wrote: Jut be more visible on the forums. My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun. Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support. Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you. And I appreciate your understanding. To be honest, I'm not particularly worried about threads like this. There's always going to be a few that refuse to pay attention to what's going on and end up making the type silly claims that were in those pics linked in the OP. (Those that were watching the forums and listening to me know that I endorsed a full reset of the warzone pre-inferno, and took hell from my friends as a result. And contrary to the moneybags stereotype, I actually made a whopping 85,000 LP before the big cashout.) As far as visibilty goes, I don't know what everyone expects, to be honest. I can't pop up in every single Faction Warfare thread that exists, there's simply too many and the goal should be to have it in as few threads as possible anyways, if you want my attention or CCP's attention. I think what people also don't always understand is that all the time spend posting in the forums, is time taking away from discussing things from CCP, or in the case of the last few weeks, doing my job preparing the minutes. CSM work just pulls you a lot of different ways - and personally I would rather spend my time doing the work where CCP is concerned, than spending my time trying to groom my PR image because people don't read my posts or take the time to convo me if they have questions or concerns. Getting issues like the plexing bug resolved, and the e-war removal that was release last week, have been recent efforts that speak for themselves in terms of success - these were objectives I was both clear about, and delivered upon. I've also been quite clear about the next set of immediate concerns - chiefly NPC rebalancing, ending all non-combat alt farming, and addressing some of the core motivational issues regarding the plex system. I could make even more threads to reiterate the stuff I've already said about these issues in other threads, but if people aren't reading my posts to begin with it just becomes another waste of time and forum space. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 484	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:00:00 - [36] - Quote Stalking Mantis wrote: Jut be more visible on the forums. My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun. Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support. Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you. I like this post until you got to the "we all love minutes" part. The only minutes that were valuable was from csm 5. And the only reason they were valuable was because ccp didn't really read them. Since then all minutes are combed through and warmed over until we end up with 50 pages of mush that tells us pretty much nothing but just repeats some platitudes. Edit: Bottom line you are right. CSM needs to communicate with players on these forums. Not in townhalls where they give their soundbites. Not in blogs where there is spin and no actual discussion with players. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 484	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:05:00 - [37] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: . I've also been quite clear about the next set of immediate concerns - chiefly ...., and addressing some of the core motivational issues regarding the plex system. What does that last bit mean? Link to a post or something would be fine. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2627	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:17:00 - [38] - Quote Cearain wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: . I've also been quite clear about the next set of immediate concerns - chiefly ...., and addressing some of the core motivational issues regarding the plex system. What does that last bit mean? Link to a post or something would be fine. Essentially the lack of a reason to defend space, leading to everyone intentionally trading systems for profit, rather than being willing to CONFRONT the enemy and fight them over something. (You know, actually PvPing in FW!! A novel idea.) This occurs on a plex-by-plex level (farmers just bounce to the next plex if challenged in anyways, and bounce right back and resume later) and a system-by-system level (there is little incentive to hold territory unless you either dock and live there, or you want it purely for the WZ control points.) There just isn't enough meaningful system upgrades to entice people to use the system for any other reason than just cheap LP gear. And worst of all, if you can't achieve a desireable cash-out level, and the enemy seemingly takes back systems as quickly as you capture them, the combined morale effect eliminates the incentive to invest in the system completely. This is exactly why we're seeing an all-too-predictable turn of events, milita corps joining other militias for better pay. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 484	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:45:00 - [39] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Cearain wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: . I've also been quite clear about the next set of immediate concerns - chiefly ...., and addressing some of the core motivational issues regarding the plex system. What does that last bit mean? Link to a post or something would be fine. Essentially the lack of a reason to defend space, leading to everyone intentionally trading systems for profit, rather than being willing to CONFRONT the enemy and fight them over something. (You know, actually PvPing in FW!! A novel idea.) This occurs on a plex-by-plex level (farmers just bounce to the next plex if challenged in anyways, and bounce right back and resume later) and a system-by-system level (there is little incentive to hold territory unless you either dock and live there, or you want it purely for the WZ control points.) There just isn't enough meaningful system upgrades to entice people to use the system for any other reason than just cheap LP gear. Well I agree on the plex by plex level. But on the system by system level you seem to contradict yourself. Gaining control of the systems for getting cheap lp gear is a huge reason to control systems. Why do you think we need more reason than the war zone control points? Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: And worst of all, if you can't achieve a desireable cash-out level, and the enemy seemingly takes back systems as quickly as you capture them, the combined morale effect eliminates the incentive to invest in the system completely. This is exactly why we're seeing an all-too-predictable turn of events, milita corps joining other militias for better pay. Why do you think joining other militias is bad? I think ccp should just help us identify our allied militias and the problem is solved. Are you surprised that the militias that have the easiest rats to fight in their home system are winning the war and therefore everyone is joining them? I also don't see anything wrong with the current situation where you upgrade and flip systems in order to cash out in the lp store. It means people actually have to use strategy on when they will flip systems and when they will leave them vulnerable. Instead of just charging ahead like a wild pig and taking every system as soon as they can. More strategy is good not bad. Its not because we have a low morale that we don't invest in upgrades to a system unless we want to cash out. Its because we are using our brains. Hans The only time I heard you talk about this was in relation to Susan Black's horribly biased idea that people should get lp for defensive plexing. You are not actually thinking of proposing that to ccp are you? That idea has come up several times and it gets shot down every time. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius Banzai Comet Crew 305	Posted - 2012.07.06 23:17:00 - [40] - Quote What were those famous words? Yeah, that's it. "Sandbox" Bah. Large number of great fights nowadays (best thing about this expansion) mixed in with greedy little afk plexing bastards (that turn up everywhere in the Eve universe where easy payouts are to be had).
Stalking Mantis Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 193	Posted - 2012.07.06 23:33:00 - [41] - Quote Thank you Hans
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2629	Posted - 2012.07.07 00:16:00 - [42] - Quote Cearain wrote: Hans The only time I heard you talk about this was in relation to Susan Black's horribly biased idea that people should get lp for defensive plexing. You are not actually thinking of proposing that to ccp are you? That idea has come up several times and it gets shot down every time. NO. Relax. Firstly, it was never about some self-serving defensive plex thing. Even if it WAS all about defensive payouts, that wouldn't make her biased. There have been individuals on all four sides of the conflict that have advocated LP-for defensive plexing in some fashion or another, there's no reason to twist it into a partisan issue. Secondly, you're still missing the point of her proposal, Susan was simply trying to address the need for an incentive to upgrade and defend specific systems, instead of just counting them collectively for points. Yes, WZ points are a powerful incentive, but it doesnt make defending Auga more important than Amamake. That sense of individual importance is sorely lacking, hence the systems traded freely cause no one cares about them other than for a point count. CCP was trying to instill the sense of individual value through the system upgrades, but its just not quite there yet. As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out. o7 -Hans has left the building Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 116	Posted - 2012.07.07 04:23:00 - [43] - Quote OP is definitely not a Pinky Feldman alt. Nope. Not one bit.
Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2012.07.07 05:26:00 - [44] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Getting issues like the plexing bug resolved, and the e-war removal that was release last week, have been recent efforts that speak for themselves in terms of success - these were objectives I was both clear about and delivered upon. CCP has gone through the motions every five to six months since the beginning trying to squash the timer bug (has consistently been tied to the damn timer so must be related) and Amarr/Gallente have been bitching and moaning about eWar being one of the major imbalances .. also since the beginning. So not sure its proper to take credit for those as all it has probably required is mentioning it in passing and pointing to threads Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Essentially the lack of a reason to defend space... Goddess yes. I suggested that CCP should be forced to play the game or consult the playbase if they don't feel their knowledge of working mechanics is up to par before planning changes. Wouldn't even have to be a public thing (ex. F&I forum) but a series of virtual (ex. skype) roundtables on invite basis or something should suffice for most things. They clearly have very little experience with the inner working of FW (alternative is that they are just daft/malicious), which is why I personally is rather irate as we have spammed issues and suggestions for fixes since forever but the recent changes only include the "latest" portion of it (ie. Farmers lamentations). They have already admitted that they don't get to play as often as they might like, which is shame as a spreadsheet does not really convey the tedium involved with mining, orbiting, grinding EHP or any other of the multitude of things that one has to see/feel/experience to believe in this sandbox of ours.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 217	Posted - 2012.07.07 07:12:00 - [45] - Quote Stalking Mantis wrote: Jut be more visible on the forums. My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun. Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support. Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you. This is a topic I have discussed with Hans. He needs to have something that lists what he is working on, has achieved and intends to pursue so people can follow his actions and judge reasonably how he has gone with his time on the CSM Why won't CCP fix the ongoing FW issues? Fix the speed tanking of plexes CCP Sreegs - I'm just Winston Wolf
Iam Widdershins Project Nemesis 703	Posted - 2012.07.07 07:59:00 - [46] - Quote Hans, such a damn politician. Back when he posted a 20 page PDF full of nothing particularly useful and called for all other "highsec candidates" to "search their hearts" and withdraw because he was the one that was going to win... I figured he was functionally useless, and I was disheartened when he made it onto the council regardless. I just wish the FW candidate could have been more focused on FW and fixing it rather than playing political games and screwing around. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
The Medusa Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 9	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:19:00 - [47] - Quote Othran wrote: You lot (FW players) voted for him. Deal with it. I do not think votes counted this year. Iam Widdershins wrote: Hans, such a damn politician. Back when he posted a 20 page PDF full of nothing particularly useful and called for all other "highsec candidates" to "search their hearts" and withdraw because he was the one that was going to win... I figured he was functionally useless, and I was disheartened when he made it onto the council regardless. I just wish the FW candidate could have been more focused on FW and fixing it rather than playing political games and screwing around. I do believe it took a few selected pilots from a NULL sec alliance to get the FW Status to level 5. Maybe you should vote for them, because they understand game mechanics.
Lock out Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 227	Posted - 2012.07.08 09:58:00 - [48] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out. o7 -Hans has left the building m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside .
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 96	Posted - 2012.07.08 10:35:00 - [49] - Quote Lock out wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out. o7 -Hans has left the building m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside . Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 601	Posted - 2012.07.08 10:53:00 - [50] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: Lock out wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out. o7 -Hans has left the building m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside . Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM?
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 321	Posted - 2012.07.08 11:04:00 - [51] - Quote Lexmana wrote: Darek Castigatus wrote: Lock out wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out. o7 -Hans has left the building m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside . Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM? But... he DOES post in Warfare and Tactics? What are you guys QQing about, I don't understand. *Sa souvraya niende misain ye.*
Thomas Kreshant Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 101	Posted - 2012.07.08 11:17:00 - [52] - Quote Vordak Kallager wrote: But... he DOES post in Warfare and Tactics? What are you guys QQing about, I don't understand. I can't stand the CSM the whole concept is terrible none of that psuedo democratic crap represents me. That Hans guy should shut up go sit in the corner and stop being the rubber stamp of legitimacy to the **** decisions CCP continues to make on a daily basis, so CCP can't keep claiming every fuckup was seen by the CSM first so lolololol it's not our fault it's terrible.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 96	Posted - 2012.07.08 14:15:00 - [53] - Quote Lexmana wrote: Darek Castigatus wrote: Lock out wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out. o7 -Hans has left the building m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside . Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM? You do realise reading up on players concerns doesnt actually require him to post anything?? Doubly so when some members seem to use every one of his posts as an excuse to attack him. I'll agree that yes this is the discussion forum for faction warfare but we arent talking about discussions, we're tallking about concrete ideas and peoples opinions of said ideas, and that is where F&I comes in because thats what its for.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 534	Posted - 2012.07.09 02:47:00 - [54] - Quote man you guys **** on your CSM
X Gallentius Banzai Comet Crew 306	Posted - 2012.07.09 18:09:00 - [55] - Quote Mfume Apocal wrote: man you guys **** on your CSM Old habits die hard. We live in low sec. We kill everything that moves.
Loki Vice Hedion University Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2012.07.09 23:37:00 - [56] - Quote I think if Hans actually opened up communications publicly with CEO's of ALL factions and has a discussion about the state and FW, and actually presented it to CCP.... but nope Because it's Hans
Cookies'n'Cream School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:47:00 - [57] - Quote Loki Vice wrote: I think if Hans actually opened up communications publicly with CEO's of ALL factions and has a discussion about the state and FW, and actually presented it to CCP.... but nope I think if Loki actually paid attention to anything that was going on.....but nope. Faction Warfare Round Table Have you ever actually tried to talk to Hans? or do you just sit back and talk smack....
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing 159	Posted - 2012.07.11 09:11:00 - [58] - Quote I think Hans did not ruin FW, Hans actually did nothing. But we can fuckup hans business by taking minmatar systems, grief him to madness and make him to beg CCP to change something. Overall it is about player actions in game, stop talking, take minmatar plexes and soon we can see minmatar systems turning to vulnerable. When there is enough bunkers to shoot at someone will be interested about those. Every single plex is a drop at lake, but after long rain it starts flooding.
Halete Echoes of Korgoth Initiative 260	Posted - 2012.07.11 10:29:00 - [59] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Silence iKillYouu wrote: Susan Black for CSM!! I'd give Susan a vote! (anybody who gets primaried before me has to be doing something right) You just lost all credibility to me. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified.

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