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Sarius Deteis
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.09 15:09:00 -
[91]
Big words jumbled together to once again completely dodge the question at hand. I would say that I need to replace the transponder in my Guardian due to an echo effect, but I just purchased it from the finally maintained and lovingly run ship production facilities of CVA members. Perhaps it is broken though. I am completely open to that possibility as nothing is perfect.
As for this pilot however, I do not speak for the New Eden Cluster, nor do I speak for my Alliance or Allies when I state that this question will probably never be answered in a logical way (or answered at all possibly), and this channel of communication is now defunct and moot.
Still standing by in Misaba, awaiting lively debate, but turning off the encryption and comm link to this channel due to the above stated reasons.
Transmission Ends.... Communication terminated
Amarr Victory
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.09 15:17:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Sarius Deteis
Big words jumbled together to once again completely dodge the question at hand.
You asked one question (albeit a question cloaked in false-assumptions, outright lies and general CVA-grade misdirection). That question was answered and you were directed to seek the supporting evidence of 3rd party combat database records if you doubted the veracity of the answer you received. Hell, you could probably look outside the windows of the viewing deck of that Guardian if you ever left the docking bays of Misaba.
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As for this pilot however, I do not speak for the New Eden Cluster, nor do I speak for my Alliance or Allies when I state that this question will probably never be answered in a logical way (or answered at all possibly), and this channel of communication is now defunct and moot.
Your question was answered. That you do not like the answer is no great surprise because it does no credit to your political choices or affiliations in the new eden star cluster.
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D melanogaster
Minmatar
The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2010.04.09 19:57:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
On the planets below you have run one of the largest concentration camps in history and ensured that the "wealth" of the capsuleers in Providence was built on the backs of suffering baseline humans treated like animals in your work camps but here when a new generation of settlers and liberators are finally succeeding in driving out your organisation you prefer to forget all the business about "slavery" and talk about the technical aspects of NRDS administration of the capsuleer elite.
Your statements are bold faced lies. IF there are slave camps on the planets in Providence it is not because of the pilots in the holders. As of now pilots are forbidden from interacting with the planetary populations. The closest action sanctioned by CONCORD and is limited to remote mining of materials from moons. I would love to see proof of these camps and proof that they are/were owned by the Holders.
I hear that the rules on this will be changing soon though just in time for you to be able to take advantage of them. I do not believe that you have to pay the workers who are doing this labor on the planetary surface. Now THAT sounds like slavery to me. Will any members of your alliance be taking advantage of this new resource to capsuleers? If you do then you yourselves will be directly guilty of enforcing slavery.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.09 23:43:00 -
[94]
Yes, I believe I saw a CONCORD patrol in KBP yesterday, checking if we capsuleers behave well down in Providence!
Get your facts straight or stop talking...or, well, preferably both.
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D melanogaster
Minmatar
The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2010.04.10 00:49:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Darveses
Yes, I believe I saw a CONCORD patrol in KBP yesterday, checking if we capsuleers behave well down in Providence!
Get your facts straight or stop talking...or, well, preferably both.
You found my mistake. Congrats. You knew what I meant though.. So now that the question is fixed do you have the courage to answer it?
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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.04.10 04:16:00 -
[96]
I don't think you can really accuse star fraction of slavery if they choose to use new technology to extract minerals from planets. Just because some Capsuleers will choose to slave their labour, some capsuleers such as myself will reward my workers fairly.
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Syyl'ara
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.04.10 04:17:00 -
[97]
Originally by: D melanogaster
I hear that the rules on this will be changing soon though just in time for you to be able to take advantage of them. I do not believe that you have to pay the workers who are doing this labor on the planetary surface. Now THAT sounds like slavery to me. Will any members of your alliance be taking advantage of this new resource to capsuleers? If you do then you yourselves will be directly guilty of enforcing slavery.
What workers?
What labor?
Ever heard of automated factories?
It took all of about 2 seconds of referencing reality to disprove what you took such a long walk for, how disappointing.
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D melanogaster
Minmatar
The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2010.04.10 04:39:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Syyl'ara
What workers?
What labor?
Ever heard of automated factories?
It took all of about 2 seconds of referencing reality to disprove what you took such a long walk for, how disappointing.
Then I stand corrected on my second paragraph. The first still stands.
What slaves?
What concentration camps?
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.10 09:37:00 -
[99]
Originally by: D melanogaster
You found my mistake. Congrats. You knew what I meant though.. So now that the question is fixed do you have the courage to answer it?
Your entire post is a collection of mistakes, so it wasn't hard at all. And, well, the courage? Maybe - but not the time and will to continue a discussion with someone who invents his facts out of the blue to make his point. Oh and on a sidenote, if you'd stop doing that, you could answer the question yourself.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.04.10 12:06:00 -
[100]
Originally by: D melanogaster
What concentration camps?
Planets or deep space installations that have recently changed 'ownership' always have concentration camps, **** farms, torture pits, encyclopedia salesmen, propaganda factories and other such horrors.
Even the uninhabited ones.
Is that a town? No! It's a concentration camp!
Is that a maternity hospital? No! It's a **** farm!
Is that a dentist's surgery? Nope! Torture Pit!
Is that a library? Never! It is an encyclopedia salesmen staging depot!
Is that a newspaper delivery child? No! It's a propagandist!
This sort of thing, where the interface between brain, capsule and outside world goes haywire and reports things that aren't there, is a risk of being a capsuleer, and delusions of being a "God", rather than a corporate-designed tool of space-exploitation. Might be called "god-complex" or "god-mode" by specialists in this field.
Shrug and move on. It'll never change.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 18:33:00 -
[101]
In the end Providence will be a worse place to live.
- Where there was once relative safety and security now there will be roving pirate gangs slaughtering the innocent.
- Where there was once a place for new capsule pilots to go and learn the ropes of 0.0 space now there is just another killing ground added to the many already out there.
- Where there was once a place for industrialists to go and make their fortune in relative safety now there will be death and destruction.
- Where there was once a flourshing economy and infrastructure now there will be depression, recession, lack of goods and shortages of vital commodities.
This is the Star Fraction legacy. Same legacy as Mito and everywhere else they've operated. Same grand statements about "freeing people" and demanding people "stand on their own two feet" while at the same time hypocriticaly supporting people in the fight (obviuosly not asking them to stand on their own?). Same grand statements about "fighting slavery" while at the same time their CEO beds down with a slave owning psychiatric patient who holds gladiator contests. Hypocrisy, piracy, theft, despair. These are the Star Fraction legacy we've seen over and over again all these years.
Oh I'm sure we'll have the usual denials, flowery speechs about "freedom" and endless words extoling the "defeat of the slavers". In the end though it's the innocent people who pay the price for the cause of anarchy. The slavers will recover, will regain their fortunes, will live on for years to come, it's the innocent who lived in Providence who now are the victims. THEY are the true victims of Providence. Victims of the Star Fraction.
Archbishop
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.04.10 18:50:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Archbishop
In the end Providence will be a worse place to live.
- Where there was once relative safety and security now there will be roving pirate gangs slaughtering the innocent.
There were no innocents in Providence before, except for the slaves. Nothing has changed in that regard, except that those slaves that were left behind by their masters are being freed.
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- Where there was once a place for new capsule pilots to go and learn the ropes of 0.0 space now there is just another killing ground added to the many already out there.
- Where there was once a place for industrialists to go and make their fortune in relative safety now there will be death and destruction.
It was a killing ground full of death and destruction before. Nothing has changed in that regard, either.
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flowery speechs about "freedom"
Freedom isn't flowery. It's hard, it's heavy, it's gritty, it's sweaty, it's dirty, it's bloody, it's mean... but the air smells and damned sight sweeter to a free man than it does to a slave.
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This is the Star Fraction legacy.
The Star Fraction does not "own" Providence, nor do they claim to in the way that Curatores Veritatis Alliance and their pet "holders" claimed to. One of the Star Fraction's little slogans, my personal favorite while we were part of the alliance in fact, was "We don't build empires, we destroy them." They helped Ushra'Khan, Against ALL Authorities and their allies destroy Sev3rance's piece of the old Provibloc 'empire'. Now they're establishing their anarchist "Free Space" ideal in some of that space. That's the only legacy they care about and I think it's safe to say that now since the smoke is clearing in Providence, it's the only legacy they should care about - it's the only one that matters.
Go write a sermon about it.
Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.10 19:10:00 -
[103]
* The Cosmopolite chuckles...
No thread littered with misplaced criticisms and nonsensical misconceptions about the Star Fraction is complete without a contribution from the arch-fantasist, defrocked priest and purveyor of slave-owner accessories known as Archbishop.
His ramblings have already been ably dealt with in all the detail necessary. In short, the man is wrong and his blathering at right-angles to reality.
Providence is in a transitional phase. The process of removing the slavers, their slave-towers and abandoned slave-ships continues. The planets and moons are being surveyed. Abandoned slaves have been recovered and liberated where discovered. Freemen and contract workers have also been found in some places and taken to locations where they can seek a living or make their own way elsewhere.
When it comes to capsuleers, the position we take hardly needs repeating. Any neutral who wishes to do business in the system where we administer the core infrastructure, YWS0-Z, is free to do so without any interference, tax or levy from us. I also fully expect the KBP7-G system to have a thriving market economy before too long, although that is naturally a matter for the Ushra'Khan administration in the first instance.
Suggestions that Providence is falling into chaos are nothing more than desperate propaganda emanating from adherents of a failed feudal system.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 19:42:00 -
[104]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
* The Cosmopolite chuckles...
Providence is in a transitional phase. The process of removing the slavers, their slave-towers and abandoned slave-ships continues. The planets and moons are being surveyed. Abandoned slaves have been recovered and liberated where discovered. Freemen and contract workers have also been found in some places and taken to locations where they can seek a living or make their own way elsewhere.
When it comes to capsuleers, the position we take hardly needs repeating. Any neutral who wishes to do business in the system where we administer the core infrastructure, YWS0-Z, is free to do so without any interference, tax or levy from us. I also fully expect the KBP7-G system to have a thriving market economy before too long, although that is naturally a matter for the Ushra'Khan administration in the first instance.
Suggestions that Providence is falling into chaos are nothing more than desperate propaganda emanating from adherents of a failed feudal system.
The Cosmopolite
Yet all these warnings from Ushra'Khan saying "stay away" and statements that there "are no neutrals in Providence"... surely those are all incorrect then and in reality peace and harmony rule the day?
I will tell you what Cosmo. We'll see what it looks like in a year. I've posted my predictions above, predictions borne of fact based on previous Star Fraction "actions" and the results of those actions on the innocent. We will see in one year how right I am.
1. Will Providence be safer for innocent pilots or will it be for pirates?
2. Will Providence stabilize and a new non-owning society evolve where all have access to everything without claims of territorialism outside the concord requirements of sovereignty to administer infrastructure?
3. Will the Star Fraction stay in Providence and continue to "fight for freedom" supporting their allies and protecting the "innocent" people they claim to be fighting for?
We will see in a year.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.10 20:10:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/04/2010 20:12:26
Originally by: Archbishop
In the end Providence will be a worse place to live.
It will be considerably worse for slavers and regressive imperialist dogs yes. I suspect it'll be a much harder place for bone-idle Amarrian aristocrats unwilling to shift their buttocks from gilded cushions without the intervention of oiled-slaves lifting rolls of flabby palid skin from one place to the other either.
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- Where there was once relative safety and security now there will be roving pirate gangs slaughtering the innocent.
- Where there was once a place for new capsule pilots to go and learn the ropes of 0.0 space now there is just another killing ground added to the many already out there.
- Where there was once a place for industrialists to go and make their fortune in relative safety now there will be death and destruction.
- Where there was once a flourshing economy and infrastructure now there will be depression, recession, lack of goods and shortages of vital commodities.
You are very keen on the phrase "relatively safety" - relatively safe at the cost of turning a blind eye to the activities of an imperialist ruling aristocracy built on the slave-labour of the imprisoned populace on the worlds below. You turned "neutrals" into collaborators and seduced them into serving the CVA with promise of wealth and "safety" that would cost them nothing more than their independence and free-association with other pilots (and the trifling matter of buying into the nationalist myth of Amarrian supremacy in all ways and means).
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This is the Star Fraction legacy. Same legacy as Mito and everywhere else they've operated. Same grand statements about "freeing people" and demanding people "stand on their own two feet" while at the same time hypocriticaly supporting people in the fight (obviuosly not asking them to stand on their own?).
These are the Star Fraction legacy we've seen over and over again all these years.
You understand nothing of the Star Fraction Archbishop because you are intellectually-incapable of imagining a world beyond your god-trash justification for conquest and imperialism. You rage (impotently) against those who have defeated you time and time again because you do not understand why god would allow such things to happen to a "godly" man. Then I have to tell you that your god doesn't exist, and if he did he'd be looking at your deeds with disgust and derision. Long gone is the military strength that led your people to enslave their neighbours, replaced by nothing more than puling excuses and incessant whining at what you perceive to be the unfair vicissitudes of fate.
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Oh I'm sure we'll have the usual denials, flowery speechs about "freedom" and endless words extoling the "defeat of the slavers". In the end though it's the innocent people who pay the price for the cause of anarchy.
There are no innocents in the space of Providence. There were neutrals. But they were not innocent. A capsule pilot is many things but "innocent" is not in the job description. It is time for people to stop running for the pathetic comfort of monotheist mythology and realize they will be expected to account for their own actions and face consequences for their choices.
The "innocents" were the prisons enslaved in the camps and plantations of the worlds below. They are acknowledging their freedom now and they are learning to hate you with every word you speak Archbishop.
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The slavers will recover, will regain their fortunes, will live on for years to come, it's the innocent who lived in Providence who now are the victims.
You speak almost like you are not one of these slavers. Are you pretending now to be something else?
True Knowledge |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 20:23:00 -
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As I said we shall see in a year. Cosmo says Providence is in 'transition' so I'll give it some time to settle down. In one year we will see if Providence is truly a better place for neutral pilots or a worse place. Then the evidence will be easily apparent and no amount of "spin" will be necessary on your part.
One year. We have all the time in the world. After all according to you you're an "immortal god"... as long as your clone vat doesn't break down that is.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.10 21:11:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Archbishop
As I said we shall see in a year. Cosmo says Providence is in 'transition' so I'll give it some time to settle down. In one year we will see if Providence is truly a better place for neutral pilots or a worse place.
I notice you avoided all mention of the billions enslaved on the worlds of providence under the former regime in your response. You seem to be almost embarrassed about mention of "slavery" these days, any particular reason for that?
True Knowledge |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 21:21:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I notice you avoided all mention of the billions enslaved on the worlds of providence under the former regime in your response. You seem to be almost embarrassed about mention of "slavery" these days, any particular reason for that?
Well if you can present evidence of those billions of slaves in Providence and provide some evidence of their "new life" advantages out of slavery I'd be happy to comment on it.
I've noticed though that you seem to always neglect to mention the real human cost of those innocents your war actions victimize. You've had years of history of leaving once stable systems open for pirate invasion and years of your victims falling to the side. Many never enter the pod again having been griefed into endless sorrow by your actions. Truly "worthy" accomplishments.
We will see in a year.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.10 21:22:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Archbishop
Well if you can present evidence of those billions of slaves in Providence...
So you are now denying that the CVA ever promoted slavery in Providence now then?
Interesting.
True Knowledge |
Kazzzi
Amarr
Iniquitous Technologies
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.04.10 21:39:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Kazzzi on 10/04/2010 21:39:28
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Archbishop
Well if you can present evidence of those billions of slaves in Providence...
So you are now denying that the CVA ever promoted slavery in Providence now then?
Interesting.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 22:14:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Archbishop on 10/04/2010 22:16:34
Originally by: Jade Constantine
So you are now denying that the CVA ever promoted slavery in Providence now then?
Not at all I'm simply saying please provide evidence of the "billions of slaves" who are now freed and living a better life thats all. You seem to be fixated on sterotypes instead of facts. Sure Amarrians support slavery but we're not all the boogeyman.
I still would like to hear your views on those you leave behind after your operations though? Like in Mito... the locals there were left to the pirates. Why did you not fight for them like you fight for the slaves now? Why the hypocrisy?
Speaking of hypocrisy if you're so anti-slavery how can you have a lover who is adamently pro-slavery and a blooder who holds gladiator matches to boot? I mean this would be like me dating a Minmatar or something... isn't going to happen. How dedicated to your cause are you really when you do something like that? Obviously your ego tells you "I'm Jade Constantine, everyone in Eve knows my name, I can do whatever I want". Surely though you must realize what a hypocrite you are? Or are you that much in denial? Just asking.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.10 22:18:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Archbishop
Sure Amarrians support slavery but we're not all the boogeyman.
Do you acknowledge that the billions of slaves utilized as agricultural and basic labour on the hundreds of worlds of Providence are better served as free individuals than as the mere human cattle your allies in the CVA saw them as?
True Knowledge |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 23:17:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Archbishop
Sure Amarrians support slavery but we're not all the boogeyman.
Do you acknowledge that the billions of slaves utilized as agricultural and basic labour on the hundreds of worlds of Providence are better served as free individuals than as the mere human cattle your allies in the CVA saw them as?
I don't know it hasn't happened yet. Like I said lets wait a year and see. I do know one thing that won't be happening in a year though. You won't see me dating a Minmatar freedom fighter who believes the opposite of what I do. That would be hypocrisy and a true indicator that I wasn't loyal to my faith.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
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Nordstern3
M. Corp
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.11 00:22:00 -
[114]
Originally by: D melanogaster
By going to 0.0 you open yourself up to actually having to fight with ships rather then words.
Um. Hmm.
The residents of NPC sov 0.0 might disagree. Maru'Kage, anyone?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.11 00:52:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Archbishop
I do know one thing that won't be happening in a year though. You won't see me dating a Minmatar freedom fighter ...
Something tells me we won't see you dating ... well, anybody really. Must get lonely under that hood 
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Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:21:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Neutrino Sunset on 11/04/2010 11:21:43
Originally by: Neutrino Sunset
Originally by: Jade Constantine
At the last nobody but a fool can stand up and claim now that the CVA standings enclosurist regime has not been fully revealed and discredited as a basis for nullsec settlement and enrichment.
Then you will no doubt find it easy to list some examples of other nullsec entities that have sustained richer and more inclusive communities of neutrals in nullsec than CVA in Providence did, including one or two administered by Star Fraction right?
Plenty of vocal apologists for Star Fraction here, but why no one yet providing an answer to this?
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:51:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Neutrino Sunset
Edited by: Neutrino Sunset on 11/04/2010 11:21:43
Originally by: Neutrino Sunset
Originally by: Jade Constantine
At the last nobody but a fool can stand up and claim now that the CVA standings enclosurist regime has not been fully revealed and discredited as a basis for nullsec settlement and enrichment.
Then you will no doubt find it easy to list some examples of other nullsec entities that have sustained richer and more inclusive communities of neutrals in nullsec than CVA in Providence did, including one or two administered by Star Fraction right?
Plenty of vocal apologists for Star Fraction here, but why no one yet providing an answer to this?
Because it is a ridiculous question, Providence was not a rich & inclusive community. It was an enclosed cabal of slavers who maintained a protection racket enforcing their will upon the populace.
If you want a rich community, I would sugest the Great Wildlands as a contender. People are free to form & practice their own cultures there, where people work together or fight each other as they see fit. While the Thukker Tribe provides free, no strings attached Outposts. This was a great system, but since the development of Infrastructure Hub technology and the tribes reluctance to develop them the region as a whole will unfortunately suffer.
This is where Star Fraction step up. We are developing the infrastructure in YWS0-Z with no strings attached. It is a fruitful system open to anyone who wishes to make it their home. They do not need to sing from the same old amarrian hymn sheet, nor do the have to shoot our enemies because we label them "pirates". More over people are free to take vengance on their enemies without interference from us.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:56:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Furb Killer on 11/04/2010 11:55:58
Yeah impressive infrastructure you have in yws. Contrary to the rest of providence which used to have station access and anomalies available for everyone with no strings attached. You got one system from your masters without even an outpost, and no upgrades.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:58:00 -
[119]
Edited by: ChipMo on 11/04/2010 12:00:27
Originally by: Furb Killer
Edited by: Furb Killer on 11/04/2010 11:55:58
Yeah impressive infrastructure you have in yws. Contrary to the rest of providence which used to have station access and anomalies available for everyone with no strings attached. You got one system from your masters without even an outpost, and no upgrades.
Building infrastructure takes time. We have been at it for 3 days, not 3 years. Clam down dear, make a cup of tea and see what happens.
Edit: There were always strings to operating in providence. Your ignorance to them does not mean they were not there.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.04.11 12:04:00 -
[120]
Well my sister was in YWSO the other day. She tells me Jade was there. I know Xani is a bit of a flake, but I assume that this is true enough.
We can assume that the answer is yes in so far as Star Fraction have claimed space under the appropriate regulations. Now they can redefine this how they wish, but it's officially Star Fraction sovreignty just the same as CVA systems or any other space holding alliance, regardless of how they choose to run this space.
They do appear to be NDRS, to a point. We all know that NRDS has little to do with how the red list is decided, and that is where the differences lie, but they are NRDS all the same. They appear to be surrounded by NBSI alliances of course, and strict NBSI at that. Xani had a nice fresh clone when I saw her last. And some new shoes.
And, from all reports, it was very quiet in the area. I was heading down that way to finish some final business, but somehow over the last week the area has somehow lost significance, and my interest. Perspectives change and it all seems a bit irrelivant now. As someone who essentially lives in her ship, all space seems somehow much the same.
Ah well.
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