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Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.06 12:54:00 - [1] ...that 0.0 players are willing to take orders from their "superiors" in a game, and high-sec players are not.
Bongo Debbie Minmatar Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.06 12:57:00 - [2] You completed EVE! Congratulations. Game Over. ----
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.06 13:00:00 - [3] Originally by: Bongo Debbie You completed EVE! Congratulations. Thank you, Lady Spank.
Namira Sable	Posted - 2010.04.06 13:05:00 - [4] I don't get it. Please elaborate.
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.04.06 13:11:00 - [5] Well OP, it looks like you're bowing in my general direction so I guess I know where you live lol --- Even though you might disagree with what I say, that doesn't automatically make me a troll.
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.06 13:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Namira Sable I don't get it. Please elaborate. In high-sec you find many freelancer types. Doing their own thing. In 0.0 you find many group players, mostly organized in strictly hierarchical order.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.06 13:39:00 - [7] Edited by: Marko Riva on 06/04/2010 13:44:16 Makes sense, to a point at least. Me personally I refuse to be used, milked, yelled at by an idiot, having to deal with annoying alliance members and being told what to do, what to lose my ships for and how I should spend my time. I dislike blobs and I'm not very good at being a number. I REALLY refuse to act as a meatshield for some CEO's POS's and then having to be happy about it shouting "YES SIR, MAY I LOSE ANOTHER SHIP FOR YOU, SIR!". Don't get me wrong I like putting in effort, teamwork and attention to detail and all that but only if I share that experience with likeminded, knowledgable non-idiot other players who aren't out to fek me over, and to find a whole alliance of non-idiots, non-*****s is uhm... yeah. So I'd rather spend my time doing my own thing on a small scale in a small group of people and do things in a way I can agree with. The OP does have a point indeed. p.s. 0.0 is full of carebears, blobbers, miners and POS w*es. People who kling WAY too much to their assets, the status quo and the holy isk making. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Derelicht	Posted - 2010.04.06 13:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium ...that 0.0 players are willing to take orders from their "superiors" in a game, and high-sec players are not.
FarosWarrior Amarr Sonnema	Posted - 2010.04.06 13:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 06/04/2010 13:27:22 Originally by: Namira Sable I don't get it. Please elaborate. In high-sec you find many freelancer types. Doing their own thing. In 0.0 you find many group players, mostly organized in strictly hierarchical order. This is a simple observation and might seem obvious. But it does put the carebear vs pvper discussion in question. If my observation is correct, it could be that the carebear percentage of the population in 0.0 and high-sec is similar and that the main difference between these regions lies more in group vs freelance style of play. I will state that the number of carebears (percentage-wise) in highsec is ALOT higher then those living in nullsec, if I am wrong on this statement I can understand since I've not done any research into this. But I guess the reason behind all the freelancers in highsec is simple, in highsec you can do whatever you want in relative safety, in nullsec, the quote "Safety in numbers" usually counts, and unorganized numbers are bad, organized numbers aren't bad. And thus, more peeps in nullsec take orders to survive, in highsec such things aren't needed (most of the time tho) cheers, Faros Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Adida "As long as we're jammed we might as well throw those 1400mm's at them" Charlie Fodder, Clear Skies
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.04.06 14:36:00 - [10] If CCP made 0.0 an environment where one could freelance I'd be there. Unfortunately, 0.0 is not that environment. So, I'm not there. All CCP would have to do to change that would be to allow one to leave a cloaked support ship like an orca or rorqual cloaked while one goes off in something else to do whatever. I would do it in a heart beat. Unfortunately, that requires an alt which I do not have or care to have.

Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.06 14:44:00 - [11] and further more why do i even need a sig?
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.06 14:53:00 - [12] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 06/04/2010 15:02:38 Originally by: FarosWarrior I will state that the number of carebears (percentage-wise) in highsec is ALOT higher then those living in nullsec, if I am wrong on this statement I can understand since I've not done any research into this. I have had characters in three 0.0 alliances so far. My experiences are as follows: 0.0 Alliance 1: We were the good guys. Anti-piracy and such. Our turf had decent resources, which led to a lot of people trying to get rich there. Whenever I saw a group of hostiles close by I mentioned this on the alliance intel channel, hoping for the forming of a group to do some pew-pew with them. Mostly this did not happen, since people were too busy carebearing. Our territory then came under attack by a larger hostile entity, as a result, the alliance leadership made a deal with the invading forces to backstab some of our former allies in order to be not attacked by the invading force. I had a good say in the corp I was in, and since I am not a friend of backstabbing, we left the alliance. I would approximate the percentage of carebears that were in 0.0 alliance 1 at 80%. 0.0 Alliance 2: We were the ruthless bad guys. Killing for the fun of it. Our turf had decent resources, which led to a lot of people trying to get rich there. We rarely had intrusions into our space, so to do some killing, we had to go roaming around. Of the people online, a maximum of 20% came along on the non-mandatory roams. The other 80% carebeared. Some day, the alliance leadership decided to stop the roaming into our neighbors space and instead became allies with them. This led to most of us interested in pvp becoming inactive. I would approximate the percentage of carebears that were in 0.0 alliance 2 at 80%. 0.0 Alliance 3: I was invited into that alliance, due to having made a name for myself in Alliance 2. I accepted the invitation because alliance 2 had become a boring napped bunch of 0.0 carebears. With allaince 3, we went into a large war, and I experienced alarm clock ops and large fleet frustrations. I did like alliance 3, due to this alliance being the first alliance I had been in, which had a truly high percentage of pvpers. I still like that alliance btw. But large fleet battles and territory related fighting (at that time pos-bashing), are a highly questionalbe experience. I found that I had much preferred the fight style of the roaming gangs of alliance 2. As a consequence, I left alliance 3. I would approximate the percentage of carebears that were in 0.0 alliance 3 at 20%. I hope that CCP sometime allows the more independent pvp types like myself a decent opportunity in 0.0. I am convinced that a lot of people in high-sec would venture into 0.0 if a more independent playstyle had a higher chance of success there. How to achieve this, I do not know. But I am fairly certain that CCPs policy of putting more riches into 0.0 with each expansion, will not lead to higher numbers in 0.0. Instead, it may turn people who are in 0.0 already into 0.0 carebears.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 14:57:00 - [13] You never see freelance players in 0.0 ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.06 15:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium In high-sec you find many unsociable types. Doing their own thing. In 0.0 you find many group players, mostly blobs in strictly hierarchical order. sorry what? - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.06 15:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Nicholas Barker You never see freelance players in 0.0 The only player I would call freelance type I met in 0.0 was DHBWildcat. Obviously the guys uses multiple accounts. Still much repsect to him for beating the odds on a regular basis.
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2010.04.06 15:26:00 - [16] Originally by: FarosWarrior Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 06/04/2010 13:27:22 Originally by: Namira Sable I don't get it. Please elaborate. In high-sec you find many freelancer types. Doing their own thing. In 0.0 you find many group players, mostly organized in strictly hierarchical order. This is a simple observation and might seem obvious. But it does put the carebear vs pvper discussion in question. If my observation is correct, it could be that the carebear percentage of the population in 0.0 and high-sec is similar and that the main difference between these regions lies more in group vs freelance style of play. I will state that the number of carebears (percentage-wise) in highsec is ALOT higher then those living in nullsec, if I am wrong on this statement I can understand since I've not done any research into this. But I guess the reason behind all the freelancers in highsec is simple, in highsec you can do whatever you want in relative safety, in nullsec, the quote "Safety in numbers" usually counts, and unorganized numbers are bad, organized numbers aren't bad. And thus, more peeps in nullsec take orders to survive, in highsec such things aren't needed (most of the time tho) Your post is probably word-for-word the "common knowledge" the OP is trying to put to rest. It isn't that hisec is safe and therefore carebear friendly so much as it is that hisec allows freelancers. Nullsec carebears just come in different forms. Playstyle chooses location.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.04.06 15:35:00 - [17] Alarm clock ops. This is (one of) the reason(s) I won't be setlling in null sec. There are exactly three groups of people in the world that get to wake me up in the middle of the night. The first one I gave birth to, the second one I married, and the third pays me by the hour to carry a pager. Anyone else that expects me to get up while I'm sleeping had better have a reason that involves a natural disaster of such epic proportions that the term 'biblical' could be applied. --Vel Originally by: Jiseinoku Mining is the path to enlightement.
Cailais Amarr British Armoured Division	Posted - 2010.04.06 15:38:00 - [18] The true difference between no-sec and high-sec players is... One clone jump. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.06 15:39:00 - [19] Go to Low-Sec.
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.06 16:06:00 - [20] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 06/04/2010 16:12:20 Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame It isn't that hisec is safe and therefore carebear friendly so much as it is that hisec allows freelancers. Nullsec carebears just come in different forms. Playstyle chooses location. Yes, pretty much. I made this thread, because somehow I have the suspicion that quite a few people subscribed to eve with the freelancer idea in mind. And high-sec is the best location to play eve freelancer style, thus it is so highly populated. Actually, the original dev team that made eve, stated that a well known space game featuring the idea of freelancing (the name can not be mentioned here because of rule 17) - was one of the inspirations for the creation of eve-online. I do think eve could gain a lot by giving more opportunities to freelancers outside of high-sec. As I said earlier, I do not know exactly how this can be achieved, but I do think it is a direction that the devs may want to look into.

Tobias Xiaosen Gallente TX Holdings Company	Posted - 2010.04.06 16:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Nicholas Barker You never see freelance players in 0.0 Im a freelance 0.0 player! Syndicate still counts, right? --- My sig got nerfed so I need a new one
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.06 16:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Tobias Xiaosen Originally by: Nicholas Barker You never see freelance players in 0.0 Im a freelance 0.0 player! Syndicate still counts, right? Oh yes. Syndicate definatly counts! Care to share what your freelancing activities there are? Pirating, exploration...? Are you allied or friendly to local groups there, or do you realy go on your own? Do you maintain a high-sec char for financing, or do you make your living there? Tell us a little more, would be interesting to hear about your experiences.
Tobias Xiaosen Gallente TX Holdings Company	Posted - 2010.04.06 16:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 06/04/2010 16:20:13 Oh yes. Syndicate definatly counts! Care to share what your freelancing activities there are? Pirating, exploration...? Are you allied or friendly to local groups there, or do you realy go on your own? Do you maintain a high-sec char for financing, or do you make your living there? Do you use multiple accounts or just a single one? Tell us a little more, would be interesting to hear about your experiences. Welllll.... Currently I just do ratting and exploration, nothing too too special. I intend to do solo PVP out there eventually but I need to build up an ISK nest egg and resources first. I'm only blue to one corp in the area, and that's just because I did a couple anoms with one of their players. In my neck of the woods it is so devoid of life that I rarely see more than a couple players when I play. I can even play for 4 hours straight in the same system and be the only person there the entire team. Its kinda creepy and cool that way. For the most part Im entirely solo. I make my living out there, and this is the only character, only account I use. Logistics is a friggin nightmare though, which is why Im training up for transport ships at the moment. --- My sig got nerfed so I need a new one
Davanev Hraldirsson	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:08:00 - [24] My main is currently a hisec carebear and has been for while. Started playing back on 06 and have done lowsec, hisec 0.0, POS wars - whatever. Frankly the OP is right, at least as far as I am concerned. My patience with being a good little alliance drone ran out even tho I was in a decent corp for the first 18 months of my eve life with some great corpmates. The politics, the whining, the sheer amount of wasted playing time being in a 0.0 alliance requires wore me out.
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Tobias Xiaosen Welllll.... Currently I just do ratting and exploration, nothing too too special. I intend to do solo PVP out there eventually but I need to build up an ISK nest egg and resources first. I'm only blue to one corp in the area, and that's just because I did a couple anoms with one of their players. In my neck of the woods it is so devoid of life that I rarely see more than a couple players when I play. I can even play for 4 hours straight in the same system and be the only person there the entire team. Its kinda creepy and cool that way. For the most part Im entirely solo. I make my living out there, and this is the only character, only account I use. Logistics is a friggin nightmare though, which is why Im training up for transport ships at the moment. That is pretty cool. Thanks for sharing. Best of luck to you. Could be because when I was in 0.0 I was always in alliances, that I underestimate the possibilities for a freelancer type in 0.0. Time to try it out for myself.
Kasmir Caritas.	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:19:00 - [26] Players with lives outside of eve, and those without. Most of us have been there. You take a couple weeks off eve then come back to find yourself docked in a hostile system in an uber ship and find your 0.0 corp has turned into selfish carbears that are whining about their barge that just got ganked while they were solo mining. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Magesto Caldari Radiant shield Radiant Force	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:24:00 - [27] that may be true in alot of cases, but not necessarily the case for all. my case for instance, i "do my own thing" because im in afghanistan right now, and my internet isnt always reliable enough to group up with too many people, and my toon stays in high sec because i dont know when the next time in going to be able to log on is going to be. and i dont want to be out of the loop for 6 months, come back into 0.0 undock and have my balls handed to me when im trying to relearn wtf im doing. know what i mean? *CHECK PLEASE!*
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:27:00 - [28] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 06/04/2010 17:27:31 Originally by: Culmen This. Take the forums down, this is =v=. This is clearly a signature.
Wu Phat	Posted - 2010.04.06 18:10:00 - [29] Will You have to Break Null sec up. All Null sec is diffrent. Sov Null sec wehre you can gain control and upgrade and benfit from the great rang of resources it has Moon goo and all. Then there is NPC Null sec. Stain,Syndacite,Curse,Great Wildlands and there are regions with patchs of Npc faction held systems. These null sec's give you the best of both worlds type thing. Will since there NPC owned you get Missions or you can run missions for that faction that owns that station, area,region if you have the standings. This is where you turn in LP For Vendactors & Domination Gyro's. Also think Lp gain is much higher here. You also find ccp's Epic arc's which are missions to. The thing is since your in null sec poeple can blow you, camp you with bubbles Etc... Resources don't differ here then Empire and the True sec of these area's are really S.H.I.T. Can't upgrade Cause you can't control Npc Space. Stations are free to live in you do get Sanctums & Heavens to do Ded Plex's 10 of 10's. If you want to be in null sec with out the headaches and the stress of Sov null sec. Pvp when you want and have a twist of empire by doing missions here and there. NPC null sec space is where you need to go.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.04.06 18:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Culmen This, pretty much. (Pic shows respect) FakeEdit: 5 minute timer shows me no respect.



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