Just remove mining and industry.
This is the fix.

or maybe remove stupid replies... next

You remove your stupid thread and I'll remove my stupid reply. Deal?

no

Dumb idea is dumb.

If we have Carriers that can carry an entire fleet/task force, as well as clones, in its bay, why can't we have a cyno-using ship that carries lots of regular stuff?

and if CCP just remove Jump Freigthers, the Industry and Mining in 0.0 would be fixed ?

Well this is good question.

We do know that people usually tend to use the method what is most convient and easiest to them.

Now lets think about tritanium. Why would you mine tritanium in 0.0 as it is cheap in hisec and relatively easy/safe to haul into nullsec? Actually why would you build anything else than caps in nullsec, because everything is so easy to haul from jita and people build all the other crap in hisec anyways.

I believe that the final solution is to make nullsec->(lowsec)->hisec hauling so risky that;

- People start building stuff in null rather than heading to jita (ccp needs to aid this by providing tools)
- People start mining even tritanium in nullsec because hauling it from hisec is lottery job.
- Price of high end minerals will rocket in hisec, because there is less hauling and stuff gets used in null also. Those who keep hauling get reward for their risk which is great. Price will climb also in 0.0 because supply drops while people are mining low end stuff also.
- Price of low end minerals will rocket in 0.0, because there is less hauling and stuff gets mined locally. This will lower low end mineral prices in hisec also, because demand will drop. Those who keep hauling get reward for their risk which is great.

... to be clear - this means that those freigters gonna start popping.
-> how to arrange this, well those who know better should do the planning. With my knowledge I would prolly add small change of gate malcunction which could throw freighter anywhere in the galaxy and deal with it .)
-> another jump bridge nerf for freighters?

As long high end minerals and low end minerals travel freely between null and high and null manufactures are lacking tools, there wont be real industry/tradecenters in null. Correct?

and if CCP just remove Jump Freigthers, the Industry and Mining in 0.0 would be fixed ?

The main problem with mining and industry in 0.0 on my point of view is that is easier to bring things from high sec to 0.0 then mine or build them in 0.0.

I'm pretty sure nobody out there does this, but why wouldn't it be a good idea to mine up a shitstorm out in nullsec so that you actually raise your local supply of minerals (most likely only the high end minerals) to well above what your demand can warrant? In other words, it shouldn't be that hard to produce more than you need, and thus make exporting high end minerals much more profitable than importing them from highsec, where the demand is fierce. It's that same demand that can make your alliance a fortune with all the arkanor out there in null.

Of course, if you know why this doesn't happen, please, do tell. The first thought to come to my mind is something along the lines of, "But the miners wouldn't stand a chance the moment an enemy gang roams through the belt." However, isn't that why every good alliance should have solid PvPers in it? A well protected industrial core, if orchestrated properly, would make industrializing a nullsec home (with a hefty amount of JF support for imports/exports) highly profitable for everyone, in theory.

Which leads me to believe that perhaps the reason is the difficulty in organizing such a thing. I'm not sure. Tell me. Am I missing something crucially important here (aside from the ****** corp/alliance organizational tools provided to us?)

If CCP remove Jump freighters, people will use Carriers full of industrials full of cans full of stuff.

Hauling stuff in is cheaper than building it locally, because mining and industry in 0.0 are fundamentally broken. The way to fix it is to fix mining and industry, not to break hauling too.

and if CCP just remove Jump Freigthers, the Industry and Mining in 0.0 would be fixed ?

The main problem with mining and industry in 0.0 on my point of view is that is easier to bring things from high sec to 0.0 then mine or build them in 0.0.

This:

Industrial Upgrades were supposed to provide extra resources to those who wanted to grind them - instead they provide beacons to enemy pilots who arrive and camp to eliminate any benefit gained.
Mining benefits of 0.0 space are neutralized by the lack of lower end ores in 0.0 and the supply of higher minerals from the drone regions/missions runners (reduced now).
Mining Ops in 0.0 require logistical and defensive support. Both the amount of isk/per hour per fleet member and the total amount of isk pulled in by a 20 man 0.0 mining op (12 hulks 1 orca 1 next system scout. 1-2 gate scouts. 4 pvp fitted hacs) is less than the amount of isk/per hour per fleet member and the total amount of isk pulled in by a 10 man empire fleet (9 hulks and 1 orca)
Limited station function: Refine or Manufacture means the logistics to large scale production are very vulnerable to enemy roams, spies and the vagaries of sov changes.
Research POS: Are low hanging fruit to competent roamers. Large pos are too expensive for the purpose of research. Small pos too weak to handle 30-40 medium range bcs/hacs with logistical support.