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dyutrfyt
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Posted - 2010.04.08 11:46:00 -
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I recently hired underworld excavators to fight 2 small corporations that were harassing us.
The deal was, they would collect a good amount of kills to teach them a lesson.
So far the only thing they have done is give them free kills.
In regards to that, I have asked for a refund as their performance was bellow average (0 kills 10 losses).
Proof: here
Concerning the refund they refused, hence I believe I have been scammed.
This is an informative post to inform future industrial corporations/new player corporations to not send them ISK.
Post made with alt to conceal my identity, I'm hoping that they have at least the decency to keep my main hidden as discussed in the contract negotiations.
Regards,
Anonymous
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Vengeance Innovations
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:05:00 -
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I wouldn't count on you staying anonymous over this as you chose to tar and feather them publicly here first.
No idea what the payment construction was but if it was a wardec & startup fee + bonuses for kills made they have done nothing wrong apart from failing big time I suppose. If you prepaid for kills then it is another story (depending what they promised you in kills and/or refunds).
Anyway, I suppose this is a big advertisement to promote the start-up/wardec fee + additional bonuses for kills construction.
off-topic: We should have a mercenary corp tournament sometime by the way, seeing there are so many of them lately. Should result in a nice ranking list to have somekind of reference to estimate how good the different corps are and what they can ask for their services.
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Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:49:00 -
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/me grabs popcorn and waits
btw, i am one of the losses. hi5?
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Cikulisuy
Amarr
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:57:00 -
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oh this has a good potential to backfire spectacularly.
nub> you cant mine so you kill. |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:03:00 -
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For the low low price of 1.5B isk i can infiltrate their organization and pull it down from the inside. Contact me in game for details of how I will accomplish this and ask around for my record of nasty things I have done.
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Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Lana Torrin
For the low low price of 1.5B isk i can infiltrate their organization and pull it down from the inside. Contact me in game for details of how I will accomplish this and ask around for my record of nasty things I have done.
she will have time to make that isk, since the wts are not harassing her anymore and staying in the station or a couple of jumps out.
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Normin Bates
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:34:00 -
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Maybe next time you should do some research before you hire anyone. Hiring fail mercs is your own fault. |
Zax Zyx
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ran Khanon
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off-topic: We should have a mercenary corp tournament sometime by the way, seeing there are so many of them lately. Should result in a nice ranking list to have somekind of reference to estimate how good the different corps are and what they can ask for their services.
Hey I'd pay isk to see that. Set up a tournament, offer out tickets to the highest bidders, money goes into the pot and gets divided amongst the winner(s).
1 v 1
5 v 5
corp v corp
If the pvp is good, I'd pay.
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Uruz Rune
Minmatar
Maelstrom Crew
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:39:00 -
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I can't speak for the UE leadership, but MCREW has always maintained a policy of full refunds should the client be dissatisfied for any reason. I am fairly certain this policy also applies to UE, but again, I don't speak for Le Soltueur.
Any concerns regarding UE contracts should be directed towards Le Soltueur. o/
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
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Posted - 2010.04.08 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zax Zyx
Originally by: Ran Khanon
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off-topic: We should have a mercenary corp tournament sometime by the way, seeing there are so many of them lately. Should result in a nice ranking list to have somekind of reference to estimate how good the different corps are and what they can ask for their services.
Hey I'd pay isk to see that. Set up a tournament, offer out tickets to the highest bidders, money goes into the pot and gets divided amongst the winner(s).
1 v 1
5 v 5
corp v corp
If the pvp is good, I'd pay.
There are much easier ways to determine which Merc outfits are the best.
And a tournament doesn't show who the best mercs are, just who can fight in arena style combat better, which is never how merc work is. So it's a pretty terrible way to try to judge them.
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Palinurus Somnus
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar
Originally by: Zax Zyx
Originally by: Ran Khanon
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off-topic: We should have a mercenary corp tournament sometime by the way, seeing there are so many of them lately. Should result in a nice ranking list to have somekind of reference to estimate how good the different corps are and what they can ask for their services.
Hey I'd pay isk to see that. Set up a tournament, offer out tickets to the highest bidders, money goes into the pot and gets divided amongst the winner(s).
1 v 1
5 v 5
corp v corp
If the pvp is good, I'd pay.
There are much easier ways to determine which Merc outfits are the best.
And a tournament doesn't show who the best mercs are, just who can fight in arena style combat better, which is never how merc work is. So it's a pretty terrible way to try to judge them.
I completely agree. Everyone knows a double-elimination skee-ball tournament would give you the true rankings.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:37:00 -
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Skee-ball? Pfft. The only way to evaluate who's best is with a chess tournament.
e4.
Now, as to OP... not sure what's going on, but I'm interested to hear UE's leadership take on it. And I don't think you can expect to maintain anonymity in the face of airing dirty laundry like this. But maybe they'll take the high road.
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Zeraphine Akarii
When Saints Go Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:58:00 -
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I have it on good authority that salt & vinegar chips are better than barbeque chips |
Normin Bates
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Posted - 2010.04.08 17:20:00 -
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OP should hire Noir to punish UE for their failness.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.04.08 18:26:00 -
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Now i dont know if Solty included a refund clause but strictly speaking just because they're not winning doesnt entitle you to get your money back.
Are they making a good faith effort to get your contract done? Is this effort continuing for the duration agreed to in the contract? Unless you can prove either of those things to be false then you might be a dissatisfied customer but you are not a victim of a scam and the mercs have not broken contract.
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Bongo Debbie
Minmatar
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.08 18:56:00 -
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We will need to see the terms of the contract before we can play internet spaceship lawyers.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Vengeance Innovations
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Posted - 2010.04.08 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bongo Debbie
We will need to see the terms of the contract before we can play internet spaceship lawyers.
I OBJECT UR HONOUR!
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L3pp3r
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.04.08 19:24:00 -
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It is hard to draw a conclusion either way without knowing the exact contract that was agreed on. Can you post the exact terms that you both agreed to?
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Iva Posavec
Posavec Innovations
Takhar Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.08 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: L3pp3r
It is hard to draw a conclusion either way without knowing the exact contract that was agreed on. Can you post the exact terms that you both agreed to?
This, and if it turns out that you are just bull****ting about this then I hope your identity is put out for all to point and laugh at, also so others can avoid doing business with you in the future.
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Fatty McChubchub
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Posted - 2010.04.09 00:18:00 -
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I smell a troll. Perhaps the alt of the dec'd to a). beat their e-peen due to lack of a real woman in their life. b). to try coaxing out the "who" hired UE.
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Shadow Willow
V I R I I
Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.04.09 00:20:00 -
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I R TROLLZ
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Padan Fain
Order of the Phoenix
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2010.04.09 00:53:00 -
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Cross checking kill boards for a trend of 'harassment'
The bottom of this shall be gotten to.
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Michael Hoare
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Posted - 2010.04.09 01:12:00 -
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-Sadly the original poster is not the first to have been scammed by Underworld Excavators. Once, perhaps, they were good . . . but they have definately been coasting on their reputation for a few months now.
-As I understand it, most of their 'good' pilots have left, or are in the process of leaving . . . and a simple scan of this thread should serve to identify most of their loud-mouth alts and out of corp logistic-*****s.
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RoCkEt X
Hostile.
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Posted - 2010.04.09 01:46:00 -
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I'm the CEO of the target corp of UE's merc dec. we dont give a cr*p about them epic failing, just good kills to us. As for who paid them, maybe the corp who's highsec POS's we spent all last week bashing.
We'd have no reason to post this, although the OP's emoraging is somewhat amusing i must admit :)
-RX
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Donny Maurasi
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Posted - 2010.04.09 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zax Zyx
Originally by: Ran Khanon
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off-topic: We should have a mercenary corp tournament sometime by the way, seeing there are so many of them lately. Should result in a nice ranking list to have somekind of reference to estimate how good the different corps are and what they can ask for their services.
Hey I'd pay isk to see that. Set up a tournament, offer out tickets to the highest bidders, money goes into the pot and gets divided amongst the winner(s).
1 v 1
5 v 5
corp v corp
If the pvp is good, I'd pay.
A Merc Corp tournament could likely take place in a quiet system with a single station. The winner would of course be the guys that stayed undocked the longest and managed to smack the hardest.
Special bonus points could be award to the corp that managed to produce the most neutral logistics alts.
TBH.. bad idea.. because watching a Merc tournament would likely be as fun as watching grass grow while listening to two teenage girls talking about the hottest guy in school.
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.09 04:01:00 -
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I am the negotiating diplomat for a very powerful mercenary alliance. If you wish us to take care of UE, we can do so, but at a price.
I guarentee you will get your isk back from them before we're done, and we will negotiate a payment that is less than what you paid them.
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DDemon
Volatile Instability
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Posted - 2010.04.09 08:33:00 -
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I am also a CEO of one of the corporations UE has decced.
We also don't give a cr*p about them epic failing, also good kills to us when they decloak eventually.
I also find the OP's emo raging amusing.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.04.09 08:33:00 -
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Every single merc entity in EVE is complete trash.
- Intigo
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.04.09 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist
Every single merc entity in EVE is complete trash.
- Intigo
This is why I love you. Sweeping troll comments AND YOU GET AWAY WITH IT!
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Fo Shizz
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Posted - 2010.04.09 12:06:00 -
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I remember these guys, they were hired against my corp one time, to save two high sec pos's we reinforced. They talked a good game, came in our off timezone to save some face, but yet, did not engage us, nor did they do anything about the towers they were hired to save. One of my members said it best.... they are forum mercs. Confirm do not hire these guys, you are just waisting your isk.
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Keel Haulled
Dead Reckoning Holdings.
Dead Reckoning Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.09 12:12:00 -
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Tard
Not just your everyday Alliance. |
SemiCharmed
Clans of the Sanctums
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Posted - 2010.04.09 13:46:00 -
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I love hearing one sided stories <3
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Maydeen
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Posted - 2010.04.09 14:09:00 -
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Even tho its 0:19 for them, they are contributing to the player base by killing the macro haulers in lowsec.
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Norsefire
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Posted - 2010.04.09 15:13:00 -
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I suggest UE invest some of that ISK in buying PVP lessons so that this guy can learn how to fit a Drake properly. |
Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.04.09 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa
I am the negotiating diplomat for a very powerful mercenary alliance. If you wish us to take care of UE, we can do so, but at a price.
I guarentee you will get your isk back from them before we're done, and we will negotiate a payment that is less than what you paid them.
me spending 1.5 bil to have your a$$ griefed is more likely to happen before your plot does |
Le Soltueur
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.04.09 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: dyutrfyt
In regards to that, I have asked for a refund as their performance was bellow average (0 kills 10 losses).
Proof: here
Concerning the refund they refused, hence I believe I have been scammed.
Obvious troll is obvious.
The client has not contacted me regarding any refund. If you'd like to validate your post, please feel free to post up some chat logs (that you'll have to doctor up).
Speculation:
1. Target trying to figure out who the client is or is not. Silly rabbit, trix are for kids!
2. An ex-UE member that was recently dismissed and is known for being a flaming trolltard.
3. The usual trolls who validate the fact that Mercing is good business. If someone doesn't hate us, we're not doing our job.
This will be the only "official" response from UE to this thread.
Solty
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2010.04.09 17:15:00 -
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Well, there's only one contract listed on the UE site, it's been running for 4 days, and they've lost 21 ships with no kills. I have a feeling this may be what we're discussing. If it isn't, then that's just an added layer of fail. Either way, I don't think you got scammed, they just couldn't deliver.
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Gregor Vernof
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.09 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur
2. An ex-UE member that was recently dismissed and is known for being a flaming trolltard.
I am absolutely positive that neither myself or any other ex-member of Imperium Signal Corps would stoop to such silly, easily identifiable trolls of what was once a great home for the better part of a year.
Regardless of any personal feelings I have about my recent separation from UE I would never air it's dirty laundry on a public forum. Some contracts go the organization's way, some the targets.
As far as it is my understanding no client has ever been dissatisfied with UE's performance on their contract. On the incredibly rare instances that a contract proved to be unfulfillable UE has always immediately refund a client in full.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.04.10 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur
Originally by: dyutrfyt
In regards to that, I have asked for a refund as their performance was bellow average (0 kills 10 losses).
Proof: here
Concerning the refund they refused, hence I believe I have been scammed.
Obvious troll is obvious.
The client has not contacted me regarding any refund. If you'd like to validate your post, please feel free to post up some chat logs (that you'll have to doctor up).
Speculation:
1. Target trying to figure out who the client is or is not. Silly rabbit, trix are for kids!
2. An ex-UE member that was recently dismissed and is known for being a flaming trolltard.
3. The usual trolls who validate the fact that Mercing is good business. If someone doesn't hate us, we're not doing our job.
This will be the only "official" response from UE to this thread.
Solty
Aww.. Solty.. You seem upset.. Was it because I offered to disband your alliance for such a low price? You know its only business right and this doesn't diminish the love we have for each other in any way.
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Killing Kissemiss
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Posted - 2010.04.10 15:30:00 -
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Merc's doesnt mean there good...
Ow i hire mercs so the job gets done... Well i guess this is a case of Mercs that are thinking there everything and run into a better group of players.
This is just my opinion. Maybe i am wrong but this is what it looks like to me if i check killboards etc...
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Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2010.04.11 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur
Originally by: dyutrfyt
In regards to that, I have asked for a refund as their performance was bellow average (0 kills 10 losses).
Proof: here
Concerning the refund they refused, hence I believe I have been scammed.
Obvious troll is obvious.
The client has not contacted me regarding any refund. If you'd like to validate your post, please feel free to post up some chat logs (that you'll have to doctor up).
Speculation:
1. Target trying to figure out who the client is or is not. Silly rabbit, trix are for kids!
2. An ex-UE member that was recently dismissed and is known for being a flaming trolltard.
3. The usual trolls who validate the fact that Mercing is good business. If someone doesn't hate us, we're not doing our job.
This will be the only "official" response from UE to this thread.
Solty
Glad to hear this is a load of BS
Underworld Excavators are an excellent, driven group of PVPers. I've worked with Le Soltueur in the past and found him to be very professional, and extremely customer-oriented. Not to mention UE aren't afraid to fight when they're at a disadvantage. Several of the other big merc corps will stop fighting, cancel the contract, or both, as soon as they lose a major fight or two.
Anyhow, good luck on the contract, Solty. Lowsec PVPers are some of the hardest to fight, and it puts a smile on my face to see you guys continuing to fight.
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Vicious Wolf
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Posted - 2010.04.16 17:49:00 -
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bump, just a reminder that these guys are not to be trusted |
Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.04.16 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Varesk on 16/04/2010 20:05:46
Since I have been a member of -UE- the leadership has not scammed anyone. They have done their best to do what we are paid to do. The last contract we had didnt really go as planed. Which as in life, stuff happens. I find this thread to be a bunch of people that either have been on the receiving end of a good contract, been kicked from the corp, or just people that dont get enough attention in real life due to their basement dwelling habits. If you cannot post with your main or are to scared to post with your main, your posts dont mean jack crap because you are hiding behind a character you do not play with. The ones that posted with their mains, props.
I recently rejoined Maelstrom Crew and -UE- because of their dedication, respect and the over all fun I have playing with the other members of the corp/alliance. They say that any advertising is good advertising and this is one of those times.
If you have any questions or concerns about the service -UE- provides please contact our fine Canadian Alliance Leader.
Have a great weekend and see you in space.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente
Duty.
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Posted - 2010.04.16 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Coutu on 16/04/2010 20:13:54
christ end this thread already, or keep it going if you want people to realize they didn't scam anyone. merc'ing is **** work at times, but the fact they had so many losses goes to show they at least keep fighting. Your childish attempt at derailing them doesn't do anything but help them. Drop it.
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LeoQueen
Minmatar
The Pudding Club
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Posted - 2010.04.16 22:04:00 -
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Your corp you hired failed because Rocket X is a beast.
Due to this they failed and now they butthurt, shame you didn't get your money back but then again why would the dirty not play dirty?
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Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2010.04.16 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Varesk on 16/04/2010 22:09:56
Originally by: LeoQueen
Your corp you hired failed because Rocket X is a beast.
Due to this they failed and now they butthurt, shame you didn't get your money back but then again why would the dirty not play dirty?
The OP was not the contractor, this is a troll thread.
KTHXBYE.
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Le Soltueur
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.04.16 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: LeoQueen
Your corp you hired failed because Rocket X is a beast.
Due to this they failed and now they butthurt, shame you didn't get your money back but then again why would the dirty not play dirty?
Just for the record, both Hostile. and Volatile Instability requested to join Underworld Excavators. While we appreaciate their interest, our alliance is now closed.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2010.04.16 22:45:00 -
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This thread has been locked by request.
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