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Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.09 19:38:00 - [1] Originally by: Faffywaffy I am one of the best interceptor pilots in Eve. Laughing my ass off here - The idea in the OP however does have some merit (the 2nd scram one is just plain idiotic), the balance of dramiels vs other faction & T2 frigates is somewhat off, I have to agree. But it is not just tackling ceptors that would need to be looked at, and Dram could still be toned down slightly, especially for the LR tackle role. Though, still laughing. (And posting with my main :D ) ]
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 04:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Slidepot lol all you want, Faffy is serious light ship business... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=faffywaffy http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=raimo that comparison is lol... in faffy's favor.. Are you sure? Let's look at the last 6 months... http://www.eve-arena.com/pilots/Raimo http://www.eve-arena.com/pilots/faffywaffy Thanks for playing, try again! ;) ]
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 04:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Faffywaffy $DIETY forbid something new and unusual is suggested. We can only have more/less of the same on all ships. I bet the idea of scramblers turning off MWD seemed strange to you at first too (it did to me), but EVE didn't end, and in fact, is reasonably balanced. Now, I do think the idea needs to be thought through, but I also think it's an idea that can make things quite interesting without anything being overpowered (inties can still scram other inties; larger ships can still neut/web inties if they're in scram range). Well it would need some serious thinking through to make it work(an understatement), how would you go about solving the Ceptors vs AF/EAF/Faction/T1 frigate tackling issue you would create out of thin air? ]
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 04:52:00 - [4] Edited by: Raimo on 10/04/2010 04:52:30 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Raimo Are you sure? Let's look at the last 6 months... http://www.eve-arena.com/pilots/Raimo http://www.eve-arena.com/pilots/faffywaffy Thanks for playing, try again! ;) Eve-Arena doesn't have a huge number of my own kills over the last 6 months. -Liang You can remedy that by submitting a killboard for syncing as long as it's one that supports it, like EDK boards... Though AFAIK it should have most kills (currently no podmails though) stored on EVE-Kill since the start of 2007 as well as on many major private boards anyway... Not BC though because they don't support syncing. API verification and podmails should be coming soonish btw, and he might be importing kills older than 2007 after all. ]
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 05:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Liang Nuren It doesn't have any kills for Liang.... even though Battleclinic (and EDK) have tons. And even both of those are rather quiet considering we (purposefully) didn't have our killboard sync'ing. -Liang ? http://www.eve-arena.com/pilots/Liang+Nuren ]
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 05:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Liang Nuren ? http://www.eve-arena.com/pilots/Liang+Nuren Yes because I have one kill. -Liang In the last month. Scroll encounters to see that you in fact have more kills. (That "last month" stat by itself is a bit silly IMHO but he has promised to implement the "all time" number back :P ) ]
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 05:38:00 - [7] Edited by: Raimo on 10/04/2010 05:39:15 Originally by: Liang Nuren Except that I have way more than that... even in the last month. My point here is that Eve Arena looks awesome.... but it is severely lacking in actual kills. Originally by: Raimo You can remedy that by submitting a killboard for syncing as long as it's one that supports it, like EDK boards... For many people it's not lacking in killmails at all. Instead of dismissing it, help it out and figure out a killboard it should sync with and submit it, it's still in public beta after all! - I'm sure E-A rank linking will become more prevalent in the future in addition to BC ranks, so if you have e-bushido to defend it's your own responsibility to ensure E-A is accurate on your part (Even though it's all very silly of course) (And in response to your ed: I didn't start the e-bushido wars this time, also see above) -----------------------------------------------
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 05:49:00 - [8] Hehe. Btw, no need to spam E-A with sync requests for Mentlegen's Club, I submitted their board for syncing just in case to defend Faffy's E-BUSHIDO :P -----------------------------------------------
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 08:24:00 - [9] Edited by: Raimo on 10/04/2010 08:25:14 Originally by: Inch Allah Originally by: Raimo Are you sure? Let's look at the last 6 months... http://www.eve-arena.com/pilots/Raimo http://www.eve-arena.com/pilots/faffywaffy Thanks for playing, try again! ;) Sorry Raimo, Faffy's KB stats are better than yours by a wide margin. If you don't like Battleclinic, use your own alliance killboards: http://www.gentlemen-in-space.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39105 http://genos.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=155807 Pulling some weird killboard out of your arse that it seems even Liang(!) didn't know had existed up until now proves nothing. ... Btw, why "the last 6 months?" Why not the last six years or the last six minutes? (N1 Faffy fan club/alt army!) I didn't say I would be better than Faffy, I just at "one of the best Interceptor pilots in EVE"... The E-Bushido and killboard linking came after that and not initiated by me. Also, thanks for proving to us that Faffy flies a lot with his blobby alliance, such epic stats Oh 6 months because EVE-Arena rank is currently calculated from the last 6 months which I find really nice to show current "relevance"... Also the points system is better than BC IMHO. (Though the Dram/ faction issue exists currently there as well but will be fixed soon I hear) Too bad you had not heard about it before, it has seemed to me that most of the PVP community are aware of it and very excited about it's future developments, I know I am. FYL BTW Ed: Saw the posts above, everyone knows Caelum actually created EVE-Arena to see which corp he should join! -----------------------------------------------
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 10:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Faffywaffy Now, please return to the topic at hand, which is, to remind everyone, "Is there a way to boost interceptors to make them useful in their intended role(s)?". Slight dram nerf, focusing on the LR tackle fits would help some. Maybe a very slight speed nerf and a large-ish cap nerf would be a decent start IMHO but for the love of god, SLIGHT, let's not nuke it like normally happens! After that, I'm not sure. If T3 frigs are coming soon frigate balance will again have new issues but atm it does look like some ceptors and most AFs are in need of some love. Maybe EVE would be a more interesting place again if all ceptors got a slight overall speed boost? AFs would need something else to separate them and make them useful. (I might very well be talking out of my ass here btw) Also, we have to keep in mind that this is exactly how CCP wants to run their game. They don't want complete "balance" between races or ship classes, they want a changing cycle of "OP" and "Subpar" ships/races/classes where all players end up wanting to train for everything, also I'm sure all the threadnaughts on dramiel/falcon/nano/nos/whatever are very amusing at the office :D -----------------------------------------------
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.10 16:15:00 - [11] Edited by: Raimo on 10/04/2010 16:15:36 Originally by: Furb Killer The dramiel outclasses ceptors, assault frigs and other faction frigs easily. ADDED to that is the ability to fit dual prop so it can pretty much always gtfo if needed. The problem isnt with ceptors. You're exagerrating a tad though bro. Dual prop, superior speed, near AF MSE tank and 200+ DPS aside, it still goes squish when a decent gang baits it properly or somebody has a decent anti-dram fit or w/e. Even (very) lucky artillery can do it... Believe me, I know. :P But I do agree that a slight dram nerf is needed. ----------------------------------------------- www.eve-arena.com

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