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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.04.12 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: lookatzebirdie They need reigning in A LITTLE BIT and then all will be well.
Sod that, nerf 'em to Worm levels just for the lulz.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.12 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: foksieloy Not overpowered.
Carry on, nothing to see here folks.
Well, failOP tears are kind off nice...
Yeah, Genos really never fly Dramiels, Cynabals and stuff with wcs and/or ecm burst
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.12 14:56:00 -
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lol at wanting a nerf to ecm burst when posting about a Dramiel tackling a Cynabal.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:05:00 -
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Since dramiels are originally intended to counter everything, obviously ECM bursts should be nerfed as it disallows cookie-cutter fit dramiels to do just that.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:42:00 -
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Oh, my gosh. A dram pilot calling for a nerf on something other than the dram. That's rich. :)
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.04.12 16:08:00 -
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Wow, terribly obvious troll and so many people falling for it
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Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.12 17:02:00 -
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A+ topic
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.12 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Celeste on 12/04/2010 17:25:51 A Genos pilot complaining about FOTM, priceless.
Edit: damn you OP, I fell for it.
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Kimura Masahiko
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.04.12 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste Edited by: Steve Celeste on 12/04/2010 17:25:51 A Genos pilot complaining about FOTM, priceless.
Edit: damn you OP, I fell for it.
Ships are only FOTM because we fly them. Not our fault 90% of eve uses our killboard as a textbook for ships and fittings. Check out my sig its pretty cool |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.04.12 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kimura Masahiko
Ships are only FOTM because we fly them. Not our fault 90% of eve uses our killboard as a textbook for ships and fittings.
90% of eve doesnt even know who you guys are tbh.
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lot job
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:17:00 -
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You guys stink of troll...
...if I recall you were preaching about the ECM burst and 2 WCS fitted cynabal in a thread last week just for the reactions.
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GavinGoodrich
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:35:00 -
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Watching a genos guy whine about game mechanics just made mah day \o |
Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:51:00 -
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I don't think the OP has good argument. In fact it looks like a troll
However, before the Great Nano Nerf when we had 90% webs, when a webbed target broke tackle with ECM burst, there was still a chance for frigate to relock and scramble it before it reached 80% velocity to enter warp.
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Morel Nova
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.04.12 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I don't think the OP has good argument. In fact it looks like a troll
However, before the Great Nano Nerf when we had 90% webs, when a webbed target broke tackle with ECM burst, there was still a chance for frigate to relock and scramble it before it reached 80% velocity to enter warp.
they would have to be very on the ball. the cynabal has very high agility, much higher than the vagas of olden days. so far its worked fine. and no its not a troll, havent you guys run into this stuff? its everywhere in 0.0 now Reward small gang/solo pvp!
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 12/04/2010 21:16:05 Okay, wait a minute. I would be inclined to agree, but isn't this you??
Originally by: Morel Nova Edited by: Morel Nova on 09/04/2010 19:47:34 I can vouch for Kims setup. I'v never managed to die in it yet and have probably clocked up like 40 kills in it by now. its ALMOST impossible to die in it. My fit is slightly changed though but with some added survivability. with your amazing top speed it doesnt matter that the WCSs reduce lockrange when soloing so sensor booster is better used for ECM burst when you need to get out fast. it has a close to 100% chance of jamming frigates scrambling you. (for gangs use a more dps oriented fit though):
[Dramiel, genos solo burst] Overdrive Injector System II 'Stoic' Core Equalizer I 'Stoic' Core Equalizer I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Coreli C-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
'Balefire' Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Warrior II x3 Hornet EC-300 x1
t2 speed rig isnt essential, but worth the isk when you are already paying a bit and will probably never die.
And here too?
Originally by: Morel Nova
winning is all that matter imho. thats the type of stuff peopel sprout when they have lost to a superior setup
Whether it's the person who started this thread, or posted in the S&M forum, I think someone hijacked this account.
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova they would have to be very on the ball. the cynabal has very high agility, much higher than the vagas of olden days. so far its worked fine. and no its not a troll, havent you guys run into this stuff? its everywhere in 0.0 now
I can see how it can be very effective against frigs. Usually I engage stuff in battleship (often ECCM fitted) and Tengu with 30 strength so I haven't personally encountered this problem
Considering that this ECM burst tactic is particularly effective on angel faction ships, it would be inappropriate to nerf ECM burst. The issue is in the ship.
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Dark Lightening
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:38:00 -
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A few people have used a counter to escape your dramiel and you decided to make a forum thread about changing the game instead of just changing your own fit????
*** Face Palm ***
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 12/04/2010 22:02:34
Originally by: Ephemeron
Considering that this ECM burst tactic is particularly effective on angel faction ships, it would be inappropriate to nerf ECM burst. The issue is in the ship.
Its effective on pretty much every ship that has at least one midslot, spam warp while aligning out and hit the ecm burst hotkey.
But guess what, its working as intended, since software developers usually have a rudimentary understanding of maths you can be sure they knew what the module would do to sensors of frigates.
(And its not a really new idea either, the WCS claw is pretty lulz too if you want to enrage ppl by just warping off, penalties mean nothing to the ship really.)
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Entgo Ditumi
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Posted - 2010.04.12 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova
Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 12/04/2010 11:21:40 the "issue" is you're ranting about legitimate tactics for denying you sure kills with your op dramiel. I dont see something wrong with that, if you can fit a warp scrambler on every non-dedicated ship (anything but interceptor) there is no reason why one should not be able to fit counters for that. Since speed is not working for getting out of your scramble range, ECM burst is a better choice. Accept that.
I regret mentioning dramiels at all, stop trying to derail our balance discussion that is limited to cynabals & the ecm burst module. as I said all frigs face the same problem and there are a lot of other dramiel/frig threads to moan in
Really? 'Cus it sounds like you're just whining about your dramiel not being the "I WIN" button in every engagement.
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Darthewok
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.04.13 01:43:00 -
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1. CCP overbuffs Angel ships. 2. Angel ships can fit hilariously OP fits with little tradeoff. 3. FOTM Angel ship flyers now complain modules that are fine on other ships should be nerfed instead of acknowledging Angel ships are OP and they should be nerfed instead.
Objective much?
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:18:00 -
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basically Cynabals and Dramiels are like the pre-nerf Nano ships, only much cheaper, and restricting the fun of speed to couple ships instead of it being open for all ships like before.
ECM burst should not be nerfed any more.
If anything, frigate's sensor strength should be boosted across the board. They are too easy now for jamming.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron basically Cynabals and Dramiels are like the pre-nerf Nano ships, only much cheaper, and restricting the fun of speed to couple ships instead of it being open for all ships like before.
I can understand the complaint against Dramiels and the need to rein it in a bit, and pardon my ignorance...but what is the Cynabal doing now the Vaga wasn't doing before?
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored I can understand the complaint against Dramiels and the need to rein it in a bit, and pardon my ignorance...but what is the Cynabal doing now the Vaga wasn't doing before?
More DPS, more agility, cheaper.
I actually like that, except I want it open for all ships, like before the nano nerf.
Cynabals remind people just how fun EVE PvP can be with nanos. If you never flew one, try it, you'll feel the difference, you'll realize just what EVE lost with the nano nerf.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.13 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 13/04/2010 05:20:48
Originally by: Ephemeron More DPS, more agility, cheaper.
I actually like that, except I want it open for all ships, like before the nano nerf.
Cynabals remind people just how fun EVE PvP can be with nanos. If you never flew one, try it, you'll feel the difference, you'll realize just what EVE lost with the nano nerf.
I guess my point was that it seems to be the same people flying them, killing roughly the same targets.
"More DPS" comes from its grid and being able to use 425s, nothing crazy with the bonuses or hard points. (The Cynabal has lower maximum turret damage potential than the Vagabond.) And I could be wrong in my assumption that people don't fly around with a full drone bay of Valks, but I doubt it comes from drones.
The Cyn was more expensive than the Vaga last I checked, but I have no flipping clue about 0.0 pricing.
Can't touch that agility though...
I guess what I'm trying to say is I can't understand why the Cynabal is considered overpowered when the Vagabond is not. It only seems to do what the Vaga does slightly better, not completely dominate an entire ship class like the Dramiel does.
I'm all aboard the Dramiel nerf train (though I don't want it to be extreme), but I'm still not sold on the Cynabal yet. But a good argument could still sway my opinion.
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Darthewok
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.04.13 06:17:00 -
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5 low slots + 5 mid slots + 437 CPU/1375 PG ON TOP of vaga-speed, big drone bay and super bonuses! means a complete field day to fit every kind of broken whacked-out fit you can imagine.
even if this ECM burst fit is not OP, with that kind of huge fitting room, another OP Cynabal fit will easily come along to take its place. count on it.
extreme favoritism has been shown to Angel ships in the pirate ship buff. in giving them far less fitting limits and better specs than other ships. time for them to be brought back in line.
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Morel Nova
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.04.13 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Morel Nova on 13/04/2010 07:25:09
Originally by: Darthewok 5 low slots + 5 mid slots + 437 CPU/1375 PG ON TOP of vaga-speed, big drone bay and super bonuses! means a complete field day to fit every kind of broken whacked-out fit you can imagine.
even if this ECM burst fit is not OP, with that kind of huge fitting room, another OP Cynabal fit will easily come along to take its place. count on it.
extreme favoritism has been shown to Angel ships in the pirate ship buff. in giving them far less fitting limits and better specs than other ships. time for them to be brought back in line.
not necessarily true for the crusier line (I admit only 70% of the faction frigs are valid). When there is a serpentis epic arc we are going to have massive rage over 1000 dps faction 90% web vigilants killing everything (these will chew up cynabals for breakfast).
I totally agree with the "nanoes is fun and we really miss it". ccp needs to bring back some of this. its slightly annoying to just see cynabals everywhere, but its because they are so fun to fly. Other races should have viable alternatives, but there are none and its reasonably fast to train.. so. Reward small gang/solo pvp!
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Taudia
Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.13 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Taudia on 13/04/2010 09:00:15
Cynabals are pretty OP as I see it. Personally, I think the nano-ing capabilities of ships like the Ishtar, the Curse, the Gila or the vagabond is plenty and difficult enough to deal with if the pilot is capable. I am not an expert on nano but it seems to me that the cynabal is better in some ways than the ships I just mentioned, if not nearly strictly better than vagabonds. Though I suspect that keeping this particular ship from being very much like a Vagabond or a Hurricane will be difficult, but it is frustrating to deal with ships I basically have to be lucky to counter.
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steave435
Caldari Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.04.13 09:01:00 -
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Max skill ecm burst: 9k optimal, 6k falloff. Optimal+2x falloff=21k Warp disruptor II: 24k optimal
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Morel Nova
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.04.13 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: steave435 Max skill ecm burst: 9k optimal, 6k falloff. Optimal+2x falloff=21k Warp disruptor II: 24k optimal
think about it. explain to me how anything disrupting me at that range isnt dead or left behind as I burn away in my AC falloff boosted ship Reward small gang/solo pvp!
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.13 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Taudia Edited by: Taudia on 13/04/2010 09:00:15
Cynabals are pretty OP as I see it. Personally, I think the nano-ing capabilities of ships like the Ishtar, the Curse, the Gila or the vagabond is plenty and difficult enough to deal with if the pilot is capable. I am not an expert on nano but it seems to me that the cynabal is better in some ways than the ships I just mentioned, if not nearly strictly better than vagabonds. Though I suspect that keeping this particular ship from being very much like a Vagabond or a Hurricane will be difficult, but it is frustrating to deal with ships I basically have to be lucky to counter.
Driving off nanoships is generally speaking easy (unless it's a Curse or something, where only epic fail from the pilot will save you or landing on it sub 10km which is again epic fail from the pilot).
Killing them is not as trivial, but you've actually got good odds of doing this in a Hurricane if you play your cards right. It's certainly not a big deal to catch most Vagabonds out there, but the Vagabond has such shoddy agility in comparison to the Cynabal. In theory the Cynabal should be much much more difficult to catch, but as never actually had a Cynabal try to fight me, can't really speak from personal experience.
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