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Shalamar Bladesinger
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Shalamar Bladesinger on 13/04/2010 02:29:44
this is my idea. the idea is to give the jf(jump freighters) 1 mid slot so they can put in a special jump callibrated system to allow them to jump into high sec at the exspencve of more fuel usage. this would hopefully get more people to fly them and the corps can do runs faster with not as much time that they miss. the kicker is that they cant do that anywere in the system. it would have to be nex to a gate for its safty are. i would like some feed back for this idea too anything negitive about it and positve. also, i think that some "Light capital ships should be allowed in high sec. likethe dreadnaought and the carrier(ex:Chimera). i also would like to see a freighter that instead of a cargo bay, it has a massive ship maintaince bay to haul ships. what do you think?
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Reggie Stoneloader
JAFA Trade and Manufacturing Cooperative
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:41:00 -
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Ooh, no thank you. No cynos in high-sec, please. Population density is too high, and it would do bad things to the markets if you could cyno into Jita from low-sec.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:41:00 -
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before we get the long discussion again see this thread.
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Shalamar Bladesinger
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
Ooh, no thank you. No cynos in high-sec, please. Population density is too high, and it would do bad things to the markets if you could cyno into Jita from low-sec.
i never said cynos. they wouldnt need it. and from the other theead i looked at anyone caught ganking in high sec should be banned from high sec personaly. it would fix the jita problem.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 13/04/2010 03:00:19
I would support this idea for one week. Mainly to get NC and SC to take their war to jita and hot drop node crash it several times a day. Be a nice 3 way with privateers (sucks I have war targets I never see cause avoid jita like the plague unless on an alt during a war dec) and give ccp all the data they need to work on killing this lag monster that lurks in code. And I'll be nice...have the alliances petition for reinforce lol.
If need to put a dread into siege to finish off your extravaganza, you are doing it wrong lol. Got maruaders to farm lv 4's till the cows come home...enjoy.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.04.13 03:10:00 -
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Can anyone say horrible idea?
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.13 05:26:00 -
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Would make it entirely too easy. It is already extremely easy to avoid being caught in JF's.
There was a recent (and decent) proposal to the opposite effect; prohibit JF's in high-sec entirely forcing people to ferry goods/materials using "regular" shipping methods prior to jumping.
A little overboard perhaps, but a novel idea nonetheless.
I don't think anyone want capitals back in high-sec especially not now that capitals outnumber BS (slight exaggeration for effect  )
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Shalamar Bladesinger
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Would make it entirely too easy. It is already extremely easy to avoid being caught in JF's.
There was a recent (and decent) proposal to the opposite effect; prohibit JF's in high-sec entirely forcing people to ferry goods/materials using "regular" shipping methods prior to jumping.
A little overboard perhaps, but a novel idea nonetheless.
I don't think anyone want capitals back in high-sec especially not now that capitals outnumber BS (slight exaggeration for effect )
ok. thats fine. what about the 3rd item on that list? basicly you are making the freighter modular by making a version of it that can haul massive amounts of riged ships? the reason i say this is because the Orca can only hold 2 fully fitted hulks in it. and a carrier is a jump ship so its not allowed in highsec. same with the titan and Super carrier. the third option is that you make the freigheter modular. instead of just cargo bays, you can use just ship maintaince bays and make it a ship hauler. i was tinking of it because the corp i was in had to make 7-8 jumps to get all the ships to were they wanted them. and you cant fit that many ships in a carrier anyway. just a thought.
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:55:00 -
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I'd rather see similar non jump capable ships for the roles. Just have to make them specialized enough not to upset the balance in hisec.
As a note, "you gank someone and you can't ever be allowed in hisec" doesn't exactly work. There are ways of going around this (can flips, can baits) as well as the possibility of accidental fire. Sound a bit harsh for, say, a new player to not be allowed in hisec since he accidentally made a crime.
The only role the capital ships could have in hisec (besides of a Rorqual compressing ore) would be taking down a hisec POS (well, you could have a carrier doing RR, but I hear fleet battles in highsec don't actually work that well due to a friend called "lag"). And yes, suicide ganking. Like likely noted in the linked thread, a dread costs (well, at least before the insurance adjustment) something like 200M to lose after insurance, and could in siege (immune to ewar, huge DPS) easily solo gank an autopiloting freighter (potentially carrying billions worth of cargo, if careless).
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shalamar Bladesinger
ok. thats fine. what about the 3rd item on that list?
Didn't register the last line at all .. the human brain doesn't cope well with unformatted text
I would love for freighters (not jump freighters) to have some way of temporarily converting cargo into a maintenance bay. Perhaps done when assembling it in a station (repackage -> assemble -> choose 'type') in a manner similar to what we have with T3 assembly.
Reason I think JF's are a bad idea for this is that carriers already have that "job" and freighters are considerably more vulnerable.
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Veritaal
Amarr
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.13 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mithfindel
Like likely noted in the linked thread, a dread costs (well, at least before the insurance adjustment) something like 200M to lose after insurance, and could in siege (immune to ewar, huge DPS) easily solo gank an autopiloting freighter (potentially carrying billions worth of cargo, if careless).
I doubt it. I recall reading a thread where Chribba tested CONCORD with the almighty veldnaught. Apparently once the Police Commander comes on grid, it's a 1 shot kill regardless of what you are sitting in.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.04.13 20:53:00 -
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Bad idea. JFs would have almost complete immunity from being ganked. Freighters would go the way of the Procurer. Cool to have, but screw the cost of fuel if I can get 1/3 of the load to Jita in a miniscule fraction of the time. And there is already an RP reason why dreads/carriers cannot come into highsec, Empire/CONCORD don't like them.
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Shalamar Bladesinger
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Posted - 2010.04.13 20:54:00 -
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well, the reason i said what i said is that i was wanting to get those in high sec is because i was wanting to do a lvl 5 agent mission and when i read the missions i found out that you can do them in a bs with a bit of difficalty. so i was also thinking of having normal missions(lvls 1-5, high sec enabled) and advanced missions(lvls 1-4, low and null sec only.)the advanced missions would be for capital ships, and the normal ones are for well, a few bs's. thats the main reason that i brought this up.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.13 23:00:00 -
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Lv 5's are team effort missions where if you have not learned how to spider rep or twist someones arm to learn logistics...you'll learn to in a lv 5 lol.
If you want to carebear on a carrier...join a space holding null sec crew. Thanny the new domi. Have seen many CA farmers in carriers...they work nice, not gonna knock it (hell envious at their isk per hour tbh).
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Davral
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Posted - 2010.04.16 04:22:00 -
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NO.
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Abaddon Zen
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Posted - 2010.05.15 02:05:00 -
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YES
unless you are a jita fan cool idea. it would expsnd trade and remove some of the the pressure from the major trade hubs. and aid in making a more expansive trade system in eve
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