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Emo TJ
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.17 08:24:00 -
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They are simply by far too over powered.
I propose:
Increasing their mass by 17.9%
Decrease their top speed by 17.9%
Decrease their power grid by 17.9%
This will bring them in line with other pirate frigates and keep people from exploiting them. Please keep comment on topic, this is not CAOD and keep them constructive. 
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.17 09:48:00 -
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Not supported.
Killing its speed is not the way to go. Daredevil has damage and speed control while Dramiel has speed and drones.
Balance it so the Dramiel has more in common with interceptors to complement the DD being closer to AFs.
Example alternative:
Remove fittings until it becomes impossible to use buffer+dualprop thus forcing sacrifices.
Removing a midslot would solve it but then it needs a slot somewhere else and that has the potential to start the whole mess again. Could be moved to low and then restrict CPU to make anything other than speed mods impractical.
PS: It really does not need all that cap either, not as if it is going to be active tanking any time soon.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.04.17 10:19:00 -
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Not supported
My idea:
Lose utility high slot (called launcher for some reason :p)
-1 mid slot
-5m3 drone bay
By no means a nerf to their speed or an increase to their mass, it is what makes this thing special, what makes it too strong however, is the versatility and tank.
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Emo TJ
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.17 12:36:00 -
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I update the changes. Please re-review them and comment.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.17 12:38:00 -
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not supported. the dramiel is fine. smart people kill it, not so smart people die to it.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.04.17 14:15:00 -
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They are massively overpowered atm but I think that nerf is too much. Knocking them down to 5.5km/s with a mwd and 2 overdrives is all the nerf they need. Also, dual prop with a buffer requires an auxiliary power unit, they can't do that with base grid/cpu unless they drop their guns.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.17 17:47:00 -
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Not supporting yet an another emo-fail post.
Every other time this guy has posted it was always shot down and it was obvious he had no bloody idea what he was talking about.
I've seen this dramirel ship and it isn't used very often nor employed often as its a faction ship and tends to be too expensive to fit the needs.
I don't hear about people complaining too much about it if at all but too many ships just do a better job over it.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.17 20:27:00 -
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Dear CCP...please ban this terrible troll already or make him post on a main.
kthxbai
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CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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Emo TJ
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.18 17:51:00 -
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Fix this over powered flavor of the month ship CCP!
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Imigo Montoya
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Posted - 2010.04.18 20:41:00 -
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Personally I've seen heaps of Dramiels lately, but I wouldn't call them overpowered. There are plenty of counters to them so go figure out what one is and use it.
No way I'm supporting any change to the Dramiel.
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Slimy Worm
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Posted - 2010.04.19 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Personally I've seen heaps of Dramiels lately, but I wouldn't call them overpowered. There are plenty of counters to them so go figure out what one is and use it.
No way I'm supporting any change to the Dramiel.
The Dramiel has made most other frigs not viable for small ship vs. small ship PvP.
They're speed tankers that fit oversized shield extenders and have a low innate signature radius. They can also engage at a wide variety of ranges and disengage at will, and have excellent DPS. There's counters, yeah, but how is the Dramiel not overpowered when its only real weakness is getting sniped (like all frigate-sized ships) by Maelstroms and getting scrammed and triple-webbed (most speed tanks require one or two webs to defeat)? And even if you web and scram it, there's a decent chance it'll out-dps you before you can kill it.
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Emo TJ
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 03:31:00 -
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Edited by: Emo TJ on 19/04/2010 03:33:46
Look at the price history on all the assault ships and interceptors in Jita. Every single one has been on a decline. Why you ask?
Because no one is buying them as much. Why are people not buying them as much you ask?
Because the Draimel exist.
I mean look at this garbage! 17 on this killmail alone.
A FRIG SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO KILL A CAPITAL!!
That is over powered!
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Huan CK
Gallente
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.04.19 06:13:00 -
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Daredevil is good as is.
Keep it this way
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.19 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Emo TJ
Edited by: Emo TJ on 19/04/2010 03:40:30
Look at the price history on all the assault ships and interceptors in Jita. Every single one has been on a decline. Why you ask?
Because no one is buying them as much. Why are people not buying them as much you ask?
Because the Dramiel exist.
I mean look at this garbage! 17 on this killmail alone.
A FRIG SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO KILL A CAPITAL!!
That is over powered!
Fun part is ... you ruin your arguments yourself .... but well carrier without support, ratting during a war ... yes that should die.
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WaiKin Beldar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: WaiKin Beldar on 22/04/2010 12:47:08
Edited by: WaiKin Beldar on 22/04/2010 12:38:35
Yes, you are right. This is not CAOD. As your own name indicates, keep your emo away and try to deal with the reality of this game next time your alt gets blobbed.
I don't see anything abnormal on the killmail you posted.
And no. People are not exploiting them. They are only using them in accordance with their capabilities more frequently than other pirate frigates.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:15:00 -
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The revised solution is still hitting them on the speed which I still think is the wrong tree to bark at. Limit the ability to fit whatever they want when they want and it becomes balanced .. it is the complete lack of an Achilles heel that makes them broken.
That carrier probably would have survived or killed a lot of them if it had 1-2 smartbombs and a buttload of Warrior IIs to remove the high dps bombers.
Originally by: WaiKin Beldar
... And no. People are not exploiting them. They are only using them in accordance with their capabilities more frequently than other pirate frigates.
In its current form it is the ultimate cowards ship.
Speed/agility to avoid any credible threat and dps/tank to kill everything else .. no other ships has all bases covered in a similar fashion, so yes they are used in accordance with its capabilities 
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
The revised solution is still hitting them on the speed which I still think is the wrong tree to bark at. Limit the ability to fit whatever they want when they want and it becomes balanced .. it is the complete lack of an Achilles heel that makes them broken.
That carrier probably would have survived or killed a lot of them if it had 1-2 smartbombs and a buttload of Warrior IIs to remove the high dps bombers.
Originally by: WaiKin Beldar
... And no. People are not exploiting them. They are only using them in accordance with their capabilities more frequently than other pirate frigates.
In its current form it is the ultimate cowards ship.
Speed/agility to avoid any credible threat and dps/tank to kill everything else .. no other ships has all bases covered in a similar fashion, so yes they are used in accordance with its capabilities
ok lets see ... people killed dramiels solo with:
- cruors
- navy comets
- bellicose
- brutix with blaster!
- tempest
- 2 rifters - not really solo ... bit given the whine the dramiel should have killed them before hitting 90% shield.
thats the stuff i have seen so far. now I wonder ... if everyone and their mother is flying dramiels atm ... why arent you prepared to kill them?
thats the nice thing about FOTM, you know you will run into them so you can prepare.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:37:00 -
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You all do realize Emo TJ is a troll right?
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Huh?
Why are you quoting me when your post has so little to do with mine? You trying to con-fuzzleÖ me?
But you are right, FoTM attracts a lot of fail-pilots who promptly die to the first ship they encounter.
Problem is the 50%+ that are not fail and know how to fly a ship without thinking that "approach" is the solution to everything.
Saw the exact same trend during the nano-age, the skilled pilots were able to dominate anything they wanted at will while the band-wagoneers died horribly.
The only thing the fail-pilots are doing (besides throwing ISK away) is postponing the inevitable adjustment .. same as for the nano crap.
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Emo TJ
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover
You all do realize Emo TJ is a troll right?
I am not a troll fool. I am simply pointing out all the imbalances in this game so they are fixed to keep people from exploiting them to gain an unfair advantage.
Your the troll!
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Rjuric
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Posted - 2010.05.12 21:20:00 -
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Not Supported! 
The pirate ships are enough balanced and lots of work was put down to balance them.
The Dramiel are one of my favourite frigates and it need quite some brains to know how to use it. It¦s made out of thin foil and dies pretty easy. You need to know what to engage and what to avoid...
http://www.eve-arena.com/encounters/4142811
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.05.12 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: darius mclever on 12/05/2010 21:27:43
Originally by: Rjuric
Not Supported!
The pirate ships are enough balanced and lots of work was put down to balance them.
The Dramiel are one of my favourite frigates and it need quite some brains to know how to use it. It¦s made out of thin foil and dies pretty easy. You need to know what to engage and what to avoid...
http://www.eve-arena.com/encounters/4142811
I think your comment made him upset and pull back the proposal :D
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: ITTigerClawIK on 12/05/2010 22:48:34
i think the Dram is just fine the way it is ^_^
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Rynar Kor
Caldari
Kobol Defense Force
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.05.12 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Rynar Kor on 12/05/2010 23:10:29
wow, again sir, worst pilot in history
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.05.12 23:14:00 -
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http://www.eve-arena.com/encounters/4142811
why he wants the thread locked
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Rynar Kor
Caldari
Kobol Defense Force
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.05.13 01:00:00 -
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I know its sad
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.13 01:39:00 -
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When he first started posting nonsense in Assembly Hall I suggested he should be banned from this section of the forum.
But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the key CCP game designers were just as messed up in the head as this guy. After all they did make the Great Nano Nerf
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Jobby
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.05.13 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jobby on 13/05/2010 03:16:28
ibtl
Edit - I support locking this thread.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.05.13 08:50:00 -
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Thread locked as user requested.
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