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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:04:00 -
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Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:08:00 -
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Agreed as long as there is a way to see outside stations. Dying because you can't look out a frickin' window would be kinda dumb.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Crumplecorn
Agreed as long as there is a way to see outside stations. Dying because you can't look out a frickin' window would be kinda dumb.
i thought undocking then re docking was looking out the window lol 
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Flying Swan
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:13:00 -
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Discuss the difference between "your" and "you're" while YOU'RE at it.
That said, Crumple is right, this is only a good idea if you can look out the window :)
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Agreed as long as there is a way to see outside stations. Dying because you can't look out a frickin' window would be kinda dumb.
well ur falcon alt could check station....oh wait u don't have one? 
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:18:00 -
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Better solution: Don't engage people near the station.
If you must camp the station, do so with your corp outside the system (maybe camping all the gates instead), and an alt watching the outside of the station to see where your target heads for when they undock.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dian'h Might
Better solution: Don't engage people near the station.
If you must camp the station, do so with your corp outside the system (maybe camping all the gates instead), and an alt watching the outside of the station to see where your target heads for when they undock.
well then that wouldn't be station camping, that would be gate camping 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:23:00 -
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Yes because station camps need to be promoted desperately...
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 20/04/2010 17:43:03
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Agreed as long as there is a way to see outside stations. Dying because you can't look out a frickin' window would be kinda dumb.
i thought undocking then re docking was looking out the window lol
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edit: this too
Originally by: Furb Killer
Yes because station camps need to be promoted desperately...
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Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Connolly on 20/04/2010 17:49:55
Hmmm, your suggestion does have something to it. I do agree that these un/docking games are idiotic (both from a game mechanic and a "role play" point of view) but I also agree that there should be a way to look outside a station before undocking.
The civilizations of EVE can build jump gates, travel between planets in mere minutes and control 15km long titans with their thoughts but we can't look out the window or interface our directional scanner with the station and at least scan what's outside? Makes no sense. 
Would be great if CCP could tackle both of these problems soon.
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Mr Xanatos
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Posted - 2010.04.20 18:18:00 -
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- Make stations much much larger
- Have 10 undock points which you can choose to leave from
- All stations should be kickers, at least 5-10km
- Allow player to look out a window
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Grunanca
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.04.20 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
My what? I think you are missing some words in the sentences, they make no sense at all!
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Agreed as long as there is a way to see outside stations. Dying because you can't look out a frickin' window would be kinda dumb.
well ur falcon alt could check station....oh wait u don't have one?
a nuetral alt works just as good
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.04.20 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 20/04/2010 19:20:39
Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
Why don't you take your/you're middle school level grammar back into the game, and start camping outgates instead? Your super-l33T-zomg-awesome-sauce falcon alt cant handle cloak and scout tactics?
[Insert cliche adapt your die slogan] - however in this case it is adapt of fail.
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Ryhss
Caldari
The Templar Navy
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
/Signed
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Jill Xelitras
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
[Insert cliche adapt your die slogan] - however in this case it is adapt of fail.
[Insert cliche adapt your dye slogan] - however in this case it is adapter fail.
There, fixed it for you.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 20/04/2010 19:20:39
Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
Why don't you take your/you're middle school level grammar back into the game, and start camping outgates instead? Your super-l33T-zomg-awesome-sauce falcon alt cant handle cloak and scout tactics?
[Insert cliche adapt your die slogan] - however in this case it is adapt of fail.
u mad?
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masternerdguy
Gallente
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:27:00 -
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make it so warp scrams prevent docking or so a HIC script can.
nuff said next topic
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:34:00 -
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TBH I rather like the idea of dropping people 15km from the station when they undock, provided of course they put in some windows to the stations. Fixes lameass station games, fixes some of the problems with RR in highsec wars (as it stands they can just redock if they get primaried and undock 10 seconds later, this would at least make them vulnerable after the first time).
Also what's with the hate for station camping? One of the reasons I like highsec wars is that they tend to be much smaller scale than low/nullsec. Having to split your gangs up 3-4 times for most systems (and for every system with 1 gate there's one with 7...) is kind of a pain...
Most fights in eve happen on a gate, or a station (excluding massive fleet fights). Arguing that a change made to one of them to promote further fighting is bad because there's already another place to fight is kind of stupid, if anything we need MORE reasons to be fighting off of gates. |
Armoured C
Gallente
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:37:00 -
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There is such thing as local is that not a big enough window
Tbh if you undock with out checkin local then you should die
Also increase aggro timer from 1 minute
Neutral repping should also be given a aggro timer since this is the other bad habit of station games
I don't get riled at station games because I know there time will ccme if not by my hand but someone elses =)
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 20/04/2010 20:44:45
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 20/04/2010 19:20:39
Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
Why don't you take your/you're middle school level grammar back into the game, and start camping outgates instead? Your super-l33T-zomg-awesome-sauce falcon alt cant handle cloak and scout tactics?
[Insert cliche adapt your die slogan] - however in this case it is adapt of fail.
u mad?
R U fail?
See what I did there?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
There is such thing as local is that not a big enough window
Tbh if you undock with out checkin local then you should die
And if anyone hostile is in local you shouldn't undock?
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happygoat
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Armoured C
There is such thing as local is that not a big enough window
Tbh if you undock with out checkin local then you should die
And if anyone hostile is in local you shouldn't undock?
if you want to be 100% sure ur safe of course not
But if your balls have dropped and your feeling a little adventurous, then feel free to undock and take the 5% change of dying.
                
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Great Notion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
There is such thing as local is that not a big enough window
I smell a pro station pilot. You never undock with reds in system?
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:38:00 -
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Stepping in to ask this question.
Have you ever stepped outside and then realized that you left something you needed inside?
I know I have; many times. I would hate to have to fly around the block just so I could get back inside to get what I need
Slade
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Yes because station camps need to be promoted desperately...
Think of the starving station camper children.
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Zions Child
Caldari
Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
We have a solution to station campers. Its called Jump Clones.
Oh Wait...
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Originally by: CCP Shadow
This thread has been emasculated. *click*
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Letrix
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:07:00 -
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have a person be stuck in space until the aggression timer is completed, and change it so that while in high sec you can only get an aggression timer for aggressing, not being aggressed. |
Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:14:00 -
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Trader20 was one of the chars that got hit by the "audrey bitoni" thing a while back.
I lol'd when I saw it.
Yes.
Yes, I am. |
Armoured C
Gallente
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Furb Killer
Yes because station camps need to be promoted desperately...
Think of the starving station camper children.
hey hey the only thing i camp is gates
if i am in station and i see red, i am on the first undocking drones out of there point in hand.
i just love the auxilleration of PVP, sometimes when i fly more expensive ships i get the shakes still . i mostly while in FW fly cheapo throw away stuff but love it to no end
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:27:00 -
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What do you call 10 people hiding behind the door waiting for someone to walk through?
Oh.. yes.. this is pvp.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
In other words.
You want an easy button to kill people trying to leave the station.
Try again noob.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Armoured C on 20/04/2010 22:37:18
Originally by: Jeneroux
What do you call 10 people hiding behind the door waiting for someone to walk through?
pedobear
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 21/04/2010 00:00:23
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
In other words.
You want an easy button to kill people trying to leave the station.
Try again noob.
I guess u must be in a carebear pve corp that gets war-decced alot so that would make u the noob .
Look the only people that are against this are going to be people who don't like pvp. Why else would u not like an idea that promotes more pvp?
Edit: Also forget this window idea bull****, just check local like you do (or should) be doing now.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/04/2010 00:35:27
Originally by: Trader20
I guess u must be in a carebear pve corp that gets war-decced alot so that would make u the noob .
Hey look!! you are a 1 month old alt with no corp history \0/ So I guess you are afraid of posting with your main?
U Mad Now?
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Khaos Incarnate - ôThe Method Manö
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:43:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Trader20
Look the only people that are against this are going to be people who don't like pvppppppppppppppp. Why else would u not like an idea that promotes more pvp?
fixed
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:44:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/04/2010 00:35:27
Originally by: Trader20
I guess u must be in a carebear pve corp that gets war-decced alot so that would make u the noob .
Hey look!! you are a 1 month old alt with no corp history \0/ So I guess you are afraid of posting with your main?
U Mad Now?
Kids these days are so sensitive lol. All ur "witty" comments won't hide ur emo tears dude. U already got owned ealier so just move along......
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:49:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Trader20 on 21/04/2010 00:49:46
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Trader20
Look the only people that are against this are going to be people who don't like pvppppppppppppppp. Why else would u not like an idea that promotes more pvp?
fixed
Theirs Nothing wrong with getting a little help from 100+ friends and rapping a badger. Blob warfare is real, get used to it.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:57:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Trader20
Look the only people that are against this are going to be people who don't like pvppppppppppppppp. Why else would u not like an idea that promotes more pvp?
fixed
Theirs Nothing wrong with getting a little help from 100+ friends and rapping a badger. Blob warfare is real, get used to it.
Not real enough for some people I guess
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Dragonmede
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Posted - 2010.04.21 01:04:00 -
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Learn to use insta-warp bookmarks and you won't have these issues.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.04.21 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/04/2010 01:12:59
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/04/2010 00:35:27
Originally by: Trader20
I guess u must be in a carebear pve corp that gets war-decced alot so that would make u the noob .
Hey look!! you are a 1 month old alt with no corp history \0/ So I guess you are afraid of posting with your main?
U Mad Now?
Kids these days are so sensitive lol. All ur "witty" comments won't hide ur emo tears dude. U already got owned ealier so just move along......
Ok cool. Post with your main then? Sadly your alt has no contract history 
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.21 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonmede
Learn to use insta-warp bookmarks and you won't have these issues.
Wait, how does this fix station docking games? People already know how to dodge camps (insta warp bookmarks) thats not the issue. The issue is the people who undock then instadock to **** off the campers.
The 15km idea wouldn't make it easier or harder to dodge camps, you could use the same tactics as before, but it would make it harder for the docking game carebears to play their games and avoid pvp.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.21 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 21/04/2010 01:20:57
apparently ur butthurt because u keep posting tears in my thread, let it go......
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.04.21 01:22:00 -
[44]
But....
But.....
I want to play docking with you . . . in game
Your so L33T? Your not scared are you?
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.04.21 02:37:00 -
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Add a 1 minute timer after docking. You dock up, you can't undock for a minute. Works like the 30 seconds for changing ships and if you can't defeat an opponent in 1 minute while the logistic docks up, you got nothing to complain about.
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Zions Child
Caldari
Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.21 02:41:00 -
[46]
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2010.04.21 05:09:00 -
[47]
People in stations cannot hurt you. If you feel they are a threat, please close local and you have fixed your issue.
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Dizzy Degenerate
Super Serious Business
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:31:00 -
[48]
Wait. People actually undock?
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:39:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Jeneroux
What do you call 10 people hiding behind the door waiting for someone to walk through?
Sounds like hoodies outside any city post office....
Not being able to look out a window on a space station is somthing thats bugged me for as long as ive been playing.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.04.21 09:08:00 -
[50]
Edited by: chrisss0r on 21/04/2010 09:08:24
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Dragonmede
Learn to use insta-warp bookmarks and you won't have these issues.
Wait, how does this fix station docking games? People already know how to dodge camps (insta warp bookmarks) thats not the issue. The issue is the people who undock then instadock to **** off the campers.
The 15km idea wouldn't make it easier or harder to dodge camps, you could use the same tactics as before, but it would make it harder for the docking game carebears to play their games and avoid pvp.
sorry if you really thin that would lead to more pvp you are a moron. Instead of undocking and giving you the opportunity to bump them off they would just stay in station.
Same with the people crying about removing local. Yeah like people would still use officer fit golems in 0.0 then...
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.04.21 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: chrisss0r
sorry if you really thin that would lead to more pvp you are a moron. Instead of undocking and giving you the opportunity to bump them off they would just stay in station.
Same with the people crying about removing local. Yeah like people would still use officer fit golems in 0.0 then...
I don't care if they want to stay docked until the end of time. It's not the amount of targets that I'm worried about... What ****es me off are these ******ed docking games that certain noobs like to play. Like this one dude from Privateers who did nothing else the entire day except sit on Jita 4-4 at dock range in his CNR, kill anything small and insta-dock if anything bad happened.
It's just frustrating that undocking isn't a real commitment to actually undock. It's simply a way for carebears that don't want to risk their ship to try and exploit idiotic game mechanics for their benefit.
The only people that are against this change are exactly the people that are exploiting this mechanic. Everyone else wants to PVP... not sit at dockrange and play moronic games.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:03:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Agreed as long as there is a way to see outside stations. Dying because you can't look out a frickin' window would be kinda dumb.
i thought undocking then re docking was looking out the window lol
xx
Looks like CCP only has two choices -
1) Make stations translucent
2) Implement windows in stations with Incarna
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:12:00 -
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"All" they have to do is rewrite the whole part of the engine that determines where and how you exist in space, and then use one of those fancy new render jobs to provide a view in space from the station's perspective.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:21:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/04/2010 11:22:30
Originally by: Average Jack
What ****es me off are these ******ed docking games that certain noobs like to play.
Then don't play them. You don't have to feed some station camper targets, you know. Only a idiot is going to die on said station when you can stop your ship and simply redock as soon as session timer goes away; the guy is going to get one volley off at best and it's not like you cannot dock while someone has a point on you.
What probably happens is that you try to bait/blob and then it fails and your bait dies and game mechanics are somehow to blame for this.
What you are effectively asking is for it to be a russian roulette every time you're undocking from a station which is not empty, every time you're undocking and local is not empty and so on. Even with a window outside the station; have you ever heard about cloaks? The best bit is that even warping to a station becomes a gamble since docking sometimes takes an arbitrary amount of seconds in which someone could comfortably point you.
The saddest part is if you give scrams the ability to prevent docking, that encourages even more ******ed station camping since now they actually can kill people reliably.
Undocking&redocking only annoys the station campers. Which is quite fine with me; station campers really do not need a boost.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:49:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Trader20
Edited by: Trader20 on 21/04/2010 00:00:23
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Trader20
Simple solution. Undocking leaves you 15km from the station.
Their's only 2 reason to leave a station:
1. Your traveling to a new destination so you won't need to redock right away.
2. Your playing docking games and deserve to be vunerable to campers.
discuss
In other words.
You want an easy button to kill people trying to leave the station.
Try again noob.
I guess u must be in a carebear pve corp that gets war-decced alot so that would make u the noob .
Look the only people that are against this are going to be people who don't like pvp. Why else would u not like an idea that promotes more pvp?
Edit: Also forget this window idea bull****, just check local like you do (or should) be doing now.
Tell more lies about me noob.
Actually I spend a lot of time in and out of 0.0 NPC stations.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:06:00 -
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Quote:
The issue is the people who undock then instadock to **** off the campers.
Wait, that is the issue? I thought that was the desired effect that everyone agreed on should stay.
The only problem are those who agress on station and then can always deagro without any risk due to their plates, trimarks and slaves combined with neutral guardian support.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:13:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Furb Killer
The only problem are those who agress on station and then can always deagro without any risk due to their plates, trimarks and slaves combined with neutral guardian support.
A problem trivially solved by RR giving aggro.
Possibly scaled dock timers per ship meaning somewhat longer for BS and noticeably longer for capitals if its still needed.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:22:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Trader20 was one of the chars that got hit by the "audrey bitoni" thing a while back.
I lol'd when I saw it.
it was pretty hilarious :P
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:22:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Furb Killer
The only problem are those who agress on station and then can always deagro without any risk due to their plates, trimarks and slaves combined with neutral guardian support.
A problem trivially solved by RR giving aggro.
…more specifically: by having RR give the same docking timers as offensive actions – the aggro is already there in terms of being allowed to shoot the logistics, but since they don't have the timer, they can just redock and shake off any attack.
Quote:
Possibly scaled dock timers per ship meaning somewhat longer for BS and noticeably longer for capitals if its still needed.
This is needed as well.
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:35:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Average Jack on 21/04/2010 12:39:09
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Then don't play them. You don't have to feed some station camper targets, you know. Only a idiot is going to die on said station when you can stop your ship and simply redock as soon as session timer goes away; the guy is going to get one volley off at best and it's not like you cannot dock while someone has a point on you.
It's not an option simply "not to play them". Blocking people from undocking (by camping the station) is a required part of any attack on a station system. What should I do? Simply allow the hostiles free access to their station because the game mechanic is so frustrating?
Again: undocking should be a commitment and not a stupid game to "blueball" the attackers because the defender lacks the skill (and balls) to fight properly. This is not only problematic when you have neutral logistics involved (that's just an added ******ation-bonus by CCP). It sucks in any situation and finally should be addressed properly.
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Undocking&redocking only annoys the station campers. Which is quite fine with me; station campers really do not need a boost.
A boost? Because they can't play their games any more without being killed...? U mad? You seem to be forgetting that the station campers are the people who would suffer the most from this change (because after being forced to dock they can't undock again). That's sorta the point of camping a station, no?
The only difference would be that the people with docking rights at a station could no longer bore other player to tears. Either they stay docked or they undock and can be engaged. Either or.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:44:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/04/2010 12:44:54
Originally by: Average Jack
It's not an option simply "not to play them". Blocking people from undocking (by camping the station) is a required part of any attack on a station system. What should I do? Simply allow the hostiles free access to their station because the game mechanic is so frustrating?
Again: undocking should be a commitment and not a stupid game to "blueball" the attackers because the defender lacks the skill (and balls) to fight properly. This is not only problematic when you have neutral logistics involved (that's just an added ******ation-bonus by CCP). It sucks in any situation and finally should be addressed properly.
If we're talking about player sov 0.0: take the station.
If we are not talking about that, then there is no reason for you to be able to block access to a station, really. In your dictionary "don't have the balls to fight properly" means "don't want to die to my blob". So tell me, why exactly station camps need a booost?
Originally by: Average Jack
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Undocking&redocking only annoys the station campers. Which is quite fine with me; station campers really do not need a boost.
A boost? Because they can't play their games any more without being killed...? U mad? You seem to be forgetting that the station campers are the people who would suffer the most from this change (because after being forced to dock they can't undock again).
Right now station campers can't kill anyone with a brain. Your change means they can kill basically everyone who undocks and doesn't have luck with spamming dock. This is NOT a boost to station camping because? ^^
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.21 13:19:00 -
[62]
Quote:
àmore specifically: by having RR give the same docking timers as offensive actions û the aggro is already there in terms of being allowed to shoot the logistics, but since they don't have the timer, they can just redock and shake off any attack.
As a logistics pilot whos main tactic is hugging gates and jumping through when taking damage (this is in 0.0, not neutral empire ***otry), i agree this needs to change. However obviously this needs to be done careful, since it is a direct nerf to logistics, and in general they are balanced.
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:31:00 -
[63]
Fail pirate tears are the best tears.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.21 15:42:00 -
[64]
no reason to be against this change unless ur the one playing docking games.
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:05:00 -
[65]
There is no need to change the mechanics of station games. Both Red Federation and Blue Republic have been at the receiving end of station camping by third party war targets and we have shown the campers how useless that tactic is.
- If you are whining because you can't kill the war target before he re-docks get ships with more DPS
- Station windows would be nice to have but there is no need for them, just undock a buffer battleship, there is no way they kill you before you can re-dock.
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Voxira
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:10:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Mr Xanatos
- Make stations much much larger
- Have 10 undock points which you can choose to leave from
- All stations should be kickers, at least 5-10km
- Allow player to look out a window
Thats my 2 cents
Incarna?
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:28:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Trader20 on 21/04/2010 16:34:16
Originally by: Fearless M0F0
There is no need to change the mechanics of station games. Both Red Federation and Blue Republic have been at the receiving end of station camping by third party war targets and we have shown the campers how useless that tactic is.
- If you are whining because you can't kill the war target before he re-docks get ships with more DPS
- Station windows would be nice to have but there is no need for them, just undock a buffer battleship, there is no way they kill you before you can re-dock.
u just contradicted urself....
Get more dps if we can't kill a target but u can safely undock then redock in a buffer tanked bs? Look I don't think that everytime u undock into a station camp u should die. I'm all for instawarp bookmarks and dodging camps but the docking games is just stupid. People undock and redock in their faction bs and call it pvp.
So if your against this idea I'm just going to assume u play docking games because theirs no other reason to disagree with this change.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:35:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Fearless M0F0
If they "fix" these mechanics you can be sure players will come up with other ways to frustrate your attempts at easy kills.
Yes; they'll stay docked. No more ******ed docking games. They wanna hide they can stay inside, they wanna leave they can commit.
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Deja Thoris
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:44:00 -
[69]
I'd take a two tier approach.
Firstly I'd increase the aggro timer for capitals so have a go heros who want to gank a maulus in their thanatos can conceivably die for their trouble. Secondly I'd make the redock timer increase in increments of 30 seconds per docking attempt within 10 minutes or so. This means the first time you get back in on the current timer, second time scotty makes you wait 30 seconds more and so on.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr
Local-Spike
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:04:00 -
[70]
Interfacing with the station view should be the obvious answer to "look out the window".
Plus i'm all for all stations being kickers and increasing the aggression timer, oh and RR'ing causing a aggression timer...oh and....wait let me stop before this turns into a rant.
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Sikander 2
Caldari
Vivicide
Vivisection.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:14:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Sikander 2 on 21/04/2010 19:13:58
wtf is this undock?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:46:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Ghoest on 21/04/2010 19:46:10
Im cool with players having a chance to kill anyone who tries to leave a station is they are willing to camp it.
The problem is in 0.0 npc stations and in low sec.
You need a way to look outside and decide if you just want to continue hiding inside or if you want to fight your way out - this doesnt exist currently(beyond undocking).
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:59:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Trader20
So if your against this idea I'm just going to assume u play docking games because theirs no other reason to disagree with this change.
Cool story bro.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:13:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/04/2010 20:13:59
Originally by: Ghoest
The problem is in 0.0 npc stations and in low sec.
Just for lowsec*, the problems, assuming station window (overview) is implemented:
1) As long as someone (or more neutrals) with you in station, undocking is a game of russian roulette as long as you don't have a instaundock.
2) Whenever you actually land on station, you may dock instantly, or you may not. I've on occasion had to wait upwards of 5s to dock somewhere, more in laggy situations.
3) Cloaky ships can camp the undock with impunity and no chance of detection. Therefore undocking as long as local is not empty is a game of russian roulette.
4) Stations become much much less safe then gates which spew you 12.5km out of jump radius in a random location 15km from gate (and therefore offer actual chances of surviving a gatecamp, particularly in cloaky ships).
5) With a overview you are still granted less intel then in space (where you also have things like the directional scanner) and given that there is only one undock location there are various interesting ways to camp a station without being on grid at the moment of undock.
Problems if station window is not implemented:
Undocking with people in local is throwing dice whether your ship dies or no without a instaundock.
*In NPC 0.0, not even a instaundock will save you, you are certifiably 100% dead on undock with the proper gang with zero chance of detection except seeing neutrals in local. Given neutrals in local is reasonably common in 0.0 NPC station systems... well. Fun.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:26:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Trader20
So if your against this idea I'm just going to assume u play docking games because theirs no other reason to disagree with this change.
Cool story bro.
u mad?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:35:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Trader20
So if your against this idea I'm just going to assume u play docking games because theirs no other reason to disagree with this change.
Cool story bro.
u mad?
Those answers only work when the other guy says something dumb.
It worked whne he made fun of you.
It failed when you tried it.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:12:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 21/04/2010 21:12:53
In this thread:
People criticising people spellings of Your, You're, Yor, and Yarr as if it was someone sending a letter to the queen of England, and then spending hours checking the spelling and grammer of the rest of their posts on a cacky space game forum becuase they dont want to be picked up on it.
SKUNK
(i left a couple of errors in spelling for ya to feel superior about)
(o)
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:39:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Trader20
So if your against this idea I'm just going to assume u play docking games because theirs no other reason to disagree with this change.
Cool story bro.
u mad?
Those answers only work when the other guy says something dumb.
It worked whne he made fun of you.
It failed when you tried it.
u mad?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:11:00 -
[79]
no i won
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:31:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Trader20
u mad?
NO U
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:35:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Trader20
u just contradicted urself....
Uh, maybe. Coffee wasn't making effect yet when I typed that
Originally by: Trader20
I'm all for instawarp bookmarks and dodging camps but the docking games is just stupid. People undock and redock in their faction bs and call it pvp.
So if your against this idea I'm just going to assume u play docking games because theirs no other reason to disagree with this change.
You say it as I should be ashamed for playing docking games, well, long time ago I learned not to care about how somebody else chooses to feel about what I do, you should try, it's liberating .
If we get grieved by station campers we grieve them back playing docking games on them when we don't have enough firepower to bust the camp. This is "grief pvp", it is frustrating and it works great against emos
You whine because you cannot get easy kills when camping a station and want CCP to "fix" it. The truth is you don't get easy kills because you suck at this game and somebody else beat you to the easy ones.
pd: I suck at this game too, I just move on if I can't kill a target.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:25:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Fearless M0F0
Originally by: Trader20
u just contradicted urself....
Uh, maybe. Coffee wasn't making effect yet when I typed that
Originally by: Trader20
I'm all for instawarp bookmarks and dodging camps but the docking games is just stupid. People undock and redock in their faction bs and call it pvp.
So if your against this idea I'm just going to assume u play docking games because theirs no other reason to disagree with this change.
You say it as I should be ashamed for playing docking games, well, long time ago I learned not to care about how somebody else chooses to feel about what I do, you should try, it's liberating .
If we get grieved by station campers we grieve them back playing docking games on them when we don't have enough firepower to bust the camp. This is "grief pvp", it is frustrating and it works great against emos
You whine because you cannot get easy kills when camping a station and want CCP to "fix" it. The truth is you don't get easy kills because you suck at this game and somebody else beat you to the easy ones.
pd: I suck at this game too, I just move on if I can't kill a target.
So docking games is fun for you? Ok I change my opinion then, I don't want to take the fun out of the game for anyone. I thought ppl played docking games because they were bored but if it's fun for u then I can live with it. Station/gate camping is fun for me and I wouldn't want ccp to take that away so to each his own. (I'm not being sarcastic either, I really don't want to take away a feature that is fun for ppl, it's just a game so have fun)
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:40:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Trader20
So docking games is fun for you? Ok I change my opinion then, I don't want to take the fun out of the game for anyone. I thought ppl played docking games because they were bored but if it's fun for u then I can live with it. Station/gate camping is fun for me and I wouldn't want ccp to take that away so to each his own.
No, both station camping and docking games are lame but pvp is fun and grieving is a form of pvp. Your whining is proof your opponent is beating you at it.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:55:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Trader20 on 22/04/2010 16:58:08
Originally by: Fearless M0F0
Originally by: Trader20
So docking games is fun for you? Ok I change my opinion then, I don't want to take the fun out of the game for anyone. I thought ppl played docking games because they were bored but if it's fun for u then I can live with it. Station/gate camping is fun for me and I wouldn't want ccp to take that away so to each his own.
No, both station camping and docking games are lame but pvp is fun and grieving is a form of pvp. Your whining is proof your opponent is beating you at it.
So a wartarget undocking then redocking right away is him winning? So wat do u call it when we bump him off station in his faction bs and **** him?
edit: Actaully docking games are kinda fun because people think their invincible so they bring out the faction ships/mods thinkin they can just redock right away. Docking games are only 100% safe at 4-4
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:34:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Trader20
Edited by: Trader20 on 22/04/2010 16:58:08
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So a wartarget undocking then redocking right away is him winning?
His point is you coming here to whine about it is what makes him the winner (and by extension makes you the loser).
Oh and if you managed to bump him off and gank him then that means that the mechanic is fine since it's not the I-win grief button like Ninja Salvaging is.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:07:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Trader20
Edited by: Trader20 on 22/04/2010 16:58:08
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So a wartarget undocking then redocking right away is him winning?
His point is you coming here to whine about it is what makes him the winner (and by extension makes you the loser).
Oh and if you managed to bump him off and gank him then that means that the mechanic is fine since it's not the I-win grief button like Ninja Salvaging is.
where am I whining? geez u ppl are sensitive.
If i'm whining then ur whining about me whining which makes u an even bigger loser then me and if he's posting in a whining thread then hes not a winner
moving on....
So yea, any other reasons to be against this change? Only reasons to disagree:
1. you play docking games
2. ur a carebear who doesn't like being wardecced and camped
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:20:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Trader20
Edited by: Trader20 on 22/04/2010 16:58:08
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So a wartarget undocking then redocking right away is him winning?
His point is you coming here to whine about it is what makes him the winner (and by extension makes you the loser).
Oh and if you managed to bump him off and gank him then that means that the mechanic is fine since it's not the I-win grief button like Ninja Salvaging is.
where am I whining? geez u ppl are sensitive.
If i'm whining then ur whining about me whining which makes u an even bigger loser then me and if he's posting in a whining thread then hes not a winner
moving on....
So yea, any other reasons to be against this change? Only reasons to disagree:
1. you play docking games
2. ur a carebear who doesn't like being wardecced and camped
The fact that you posted the thread in the first place was a whine.
A far as reasons to be against the change? They are many.
It gives an unfair advantage to the campers over the camped.
There are already counters in the game.
It makes no damned sense that a module designed to prevent warp would prevent docking.
If you ask me the stations guns should WTFBBQ anyone who aggresses in their range camper or campy. WTF kind of station owner would put up with someone firing relativistic weapons in their vicinity. That would certainly solve the "problem" of station games.
But back to the original point.
You basically came here to whine to have CCP change a mechanic because you failed to figure out the counter. Many folks here have offered you viable counters but you aren't satisfied with that.
So what this whole thread boils down to is that you are asking for a change to game mechanics in order to compensate for your incompetence.
Sounds like whining too me.
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Dansel
Gallente
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:35:00 -
[88]
How about this, being unable to dock while an aggression timer is active on either of the parties shooting each other.
Ex. Ship A is shooting ship B outside a station. Ship A is getting low on HP and decides to deaggress and try to dock up. Normally you'd have to wait out that minute or whatever it is before you could dock up. I suggest that you could only dock up while Ship B aggression-timer have ticked down by one minute, i.e. would allowed him to dock.
tl;dr Make the aggression timer shared between parties shooting each other, and only for stations.
And by the way, they should really separate sigs from the main post.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:40:00 -
[89]
so wat ur saying is ur a carebear and want to avoid pvp? I pretty much have the naysayers cornered, can't really denie why u don't want the change. You probably got ****d in ur faction ship by a station camp and now ur just bitter.
I'm still waiting for a non-carebear reason but I guess insulting me and derailing the thread is the only thing you can do when you've been proven wrong so keep it up, I can see right though ya
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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:56:00 -
[90]
Take the 2 mins set up a Instant-undock bookmark with an interceptor, and you wont ever have to worry about being camped in a station again...Problem solved
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:59:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Trader20
so wat ur saying is ur a carebear and want to avoid pvp? I pretty much have the naysayers cornered, can't really denie why u don't want the change. You probably got ****d in ur faction ship by a station camp and now ur just bitter.
I'm still waiting for a non-carebear reason but I guess insulting me and derailing the thread is the only thing you can do when you've been proven wrong so keep it up, I can see right though ya
Translation "I totally failed at reading comprehension"
People have given you options to deal with the guy playing docking games with you that included ways to blow up his ship. I fail too see what is so carebear about that.
What you are asking for is an I-Win button so that all one has to do in order to gank someone coming out of a station is get a single point on him and wait for back up to arrive.
Once they aggress they can't dock instantly so if someone is giving you this sort of problem just bring enough gank to insta-pop him simple as that. Or bump him and hold him for death any of the mirriad of options available to you.
But no you're a fail PVPer who only wants to engage when guarantied victory.
Seriously have you thought this through at all?
What would be the consequence of the change in your case? Let me spell it out for you.
You still wouldn't get a chance to gank his shinny faction BS because he wouldn't undock the f-ing thing after such a change and would just continue to do what he'd been doing all along with a cheap insurable Tech 1 BS.
tl:dr You are a lazy whinny fail PVPer with poor reading comprehension.
Oh and before you waste your isk wardecking me I'm setting up logistics to spend a couple weeks doing pew pew over with RVB because I'm a Carebear who wants to avoid PvP.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:06:00 -
[92]
I didn't bother reading ur responses. Like I said, the only people who dont want this change are carebears who play dockin games. thread/
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:33:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Trader20
I didn't bother reading ur responses. Like I said, the only people who dont want this change are carebears who play dockin games. thread/
Lets see you are complaining because some dude in a Faction BS is popping your ships then deaggressing and docking up before you can rally sufficient force to take him down.
Yet you claim that only carebears would oppose your proposed change.
Seems somewhat contradictory to me.
Oh and carebears who play docking games? I thought us Carebears were folks who avoided PVP at all costs? People who log off for a week when they get wardecced or just spend the whole time docking up and spinning ships anytime there is a red in system?
Or are you getting pwned by a carebear in PVP?
Cry Moar. Fail Pirate tears are the best tears and my capacitor is low.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:40:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Trader20
I didn't bother reading ur responses. Like I said, the only people advocating this change are dumb idiots and trolls. thread/
I knew we were on the same page.
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:48:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Trader20
I didn't bother reading ur responses. Like I said, the only people advocating this change are dumb idiots and trolls. thread/
I knew we were on the same page.
I see what you did there.. and I approve.
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