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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.26 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/05/2010 12:59:36 I missed this one the first time:
Quote: Therefore us getting together to tell others how to be NRDS would be hypocritical
Wut? You invaded providence and napped half of the nbsi alliances in eve because providence holders did nrds "wrong". You say space is free, yet you are napped with only nbsi entities who obviously have different ideas.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.26 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Codo Yagari on 26/05/2010 13:30:11
Originally by: Nykitah The big turnoff about the NRDS RoE is that is actually requires effort and patience to pull off and unfortunately, 90% of the players in EVE lack both patience and the will to get off their ***. All they want to do is settle in one place, shoot everyone, realize how dumb that is, blue everything around that could possibly put up an even fight and then kill anyone weaker with their newfound "friends".
Probably one of the more accurate descriptions of NBSI I've seen so far. However, I disagree that the "effort and patience" part of NRDS is a turn-off. It is greatly rewarding, in the same manner as after having worked hard for a full day can stand back and enjoy the sights of a job-well-done. It's what makes us be able to properly sleep at night.
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Coyote Guyver
Minmatar Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.05.26 13:37:00 -
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NRDS Is nice. It just means more people for me to vehemently slaughter and murder and pillage and ****.
You know my only problem with people who want NRDS? The vast majority of them are so ****ing smug. Ever seen that episode of south park where they all buy hybrids? Yeah. Thats you. Congrats on upholding real life 'morals' and not being a pirate, in a video game. If thats your thing, fine. But seriously, do your thing and shut the hell up about it. Noone truly cares what you do as long as we can shoot you, and you don't ***** on the forums about it.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.26 13:53:00 -
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NBSI is not nice. It just means more people that slaughter and murder and pillage and ****.
You know my only problem with people who want NBSI? The vase majority of them are so ******* smug. Ever seen that film called "Psycho" were there is this guy running around with an axe and kills people for no reason? Yeah. That's you. Congrats on stomping on real life 'morals' and being a pirate in a video game. If that's your thing, fine. But seriously, do your thing and shut the **** up about it. Noone truly cares what you do as long as we can shoot you, and you don't ***** on the forums about it.
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Coyote Guyver
Minmatar Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.05.26 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Codo Yagari NBSI is not nice. It just means more people that slaughter and murder and pillage and ****.
You know my only problem with people who want NBSI? The vase majority of them are so ******* smug. Ever seen that film called "Psycho" were there is this guy running around with an axe and kills people for no reason? Yeah. That's you. Congrats on stomping on real life 'morals' and being a pirate in a video game. If that's your thing, fine. But seriously, do your thing and shut the **** up about it. Noone truly cares what you do as long as we can shoot you, and you don't ***** on the forums about it.
So hows Call Of Duty going for you bro? Do you like to just stick to not shooting the enemy and hiding or what?
How about WoW? Those orcs sure are innocent, huh. Killing them would be so immoral!
Lets go back a few years. What did those falling blocks ever to do you to make them stack up next to eachother and get exploded? How wrong!
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Nightshade Mary
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.26 14:08:00 -
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Why do people think that NRDS would make space safe?
NRDS doesn't mean that the local authority is going to hold your hand whilst you cross the road. All it means that as long as you are not red to the local authority, the local authority will not initiate hostilities towards you.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.26 14:10:00 -
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I wrote:
"Noone truly cares what you do as long as we can shoot you, and you don't ***** on the forums about it."
What makes you think I am a pacifist? No, as long as just one single pirate remains the light of the fire of just wrath will shine in my eyes, and grasped by the joy of battle I will sing out aloud: DEATH TO THE TYRANTS! DEATH TO THE MURDERERS OF NEW EDEN!
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Coyote Guyver
Minmatar Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.05.26 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Codo Yagari I wrote:
"Noone truly cares what you do as long as we can shoot you, and you don't ***** on the forums about it."
What makes you think I am a pacifist? No, as long as just one single pirate remains the light of the fire of just wrath will shine in my eyes, and grasped by the joy of battle I will sing out aloud: DEATH TO THE TYRANTS! DEATH TO THE MURDERERS OF NEW EDEN!
So seeing other peoples space pixels blown up by some serious business internet spaceships makes you mad? Their hard earned pixels that they work for (WORK for in a VIDEO GAME) get esploded and you go raging off to try and destroy their space pixels? If you don't want these 'innocents' to die, maybe you should consider what your revenge will mean to the 'murderers'.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.26 15:44:00 -
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Cannot a pixel be compared to an atom?
You would do good in remembering that in EVE you're still playing against other real humans.
When you blow up the things they invest time, energy and love to build up, it hurts just as much as it would if you blew up something they built in the real world.
In EVE you have the option to do good or bad, just as in real life.
What makes you so angry when someone talks against bad stuff in New Eden?
If logic applied, shouldnt you become angry when someone does that bad stuff?
Try to see this from a logical and sensible perspective, and you might see that I'm right.
I just think that you've lived for a long time with a misconception which says that in New Eden it is OK to be a complete moron. Well, it's not OK.
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Coyote Guyver
Minmatar Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.05.26 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Coyote Guyver on 26/05/2010 16:44:07
Originally by: Codo Yagari Cannot a pixel be compared to an atom?
You would do good in remembering that in EVE you're still playing against other real humans.
When you blow up the things they invest time, energy and love to build up, it hurts just as much as it would if you blew up something they built in the real world.
In EVE you have the option to do good or bad, just as in real life.
What makes you so angry when someone talks against bad stuff in New Eden?
If logic applied, shouldnt you become angry when someone does that bad stuff?
Try to see this from a logical and sensible perspective, and you might see that I'm right.
I just think that you've lived for a long time with a misconception which says that in New Eden it is OK to be a complete moron. Well, it's not OK.
I started this game out believing in NRDS in an NRDS corp in an NRDS alliance in an NRDS 0.0 region.
When I make my Isk, I trade and contract trade for FUN. The isk is a byproduct that allows me to have more FUN by blowing things up/getting blown up. I invested 'energy' to have 'fun'. My 'energy' did 'work' to create 'pleasure'. Thats what a game is. I don't care if you kill my little spaceship on my computer screen. Neither should you. If you view this game as taking work to achieve something, please, go outside. If you like to roleplay someone good and loving, cool. That doesn't mean you have to be completely ignorant of what you're doing and why it is stupid.
Also, cool ad hominem attacks bro.
Edit: Yes, a pixel can be COMPARED to an atom. It is NOT an atom.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.26 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Von Kroll
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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Speaking as a Free Caption of the star fraction, we are NRDS because space is free and we neither respect nor ordain borders or regressive standings enclosurism. Therefore us getting together to tell others how to be NRDS would be hypocritical
I am curious, what happens if a guy is happily carebearing in Star Fraction or Ushra Khan space and a third party kills him?
I'm curious as to a system where a third party can kill a happily carebearing guy in SF or UK space before SF or UK kills them first. Old habits will die hard.
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Coyote Guyver
Minmatar Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.05.26 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Von Kroll
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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Speaking as a Free Caption of the star fraction, we are NRDS because space is free and we neither respect nor ordain borders or regressive standings enclosurism. Therefore us getting together to tell others how to be NRDS would be hypocritical
I am curious, what happens if a guy is happily carebearing in Star Fraction or Ushra Khan space and a third party kills him?
I'm curious as to a system where a third party can kill a happily carebearing guy in SF or UK space before SF or UK kills them first. Old habits will die hard.
The question posits that the "third party" is also "not red".
When I was in Ushra'Khan we were explicitly not allowed to shoot any neutrals anywhere but Providence and Catch. It didn't happen, and you got chewed to hell if anything showed up on the KB about it. I can't speak for how things are now or how they ever were in Star Fraction, but I do know that much. I also remember being shot while in providence as a neutral on a gate by a CVA/PXF fleet. I was in a Hyena iirc |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.26 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/05/2010 23:58:38
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I am curious, what happens if a guy is happily carebearing in Star Fraction or Ushra Khan space and a third party kills him?
Its a deceptively simple point. But in practise quite complicated and the obvious question you have to ask is what is the relationship between the guy carebearing and the guy that kills him? Sure it might be the case that the ratter is in an innocent corp that never aggressed anybody anywhere and is being killed by a roving aggressor corp for no other reason than they like to kill things. Sure, that happens. But what if the carebear is in a corp that has roving aggressor players of their own and they've blown up the 3rd parties at some point in the past and this is now valid payback? How do we know? How does anyone know without having access to the standings logs of those entities?
Quote: Are them prosecuted? Or can they do what they want in such Alliance's territory like it's their own territory?
"Prosecution" in 0.0 space really means being shot on sight and denied access to outposts. Now if its a case of neutral on neutral aggression the Star Fraction don't get involved. The reason is because we simply don't know the history between the entities involved and we don't break our neutrality unless one side shoots at us. Now that may sound harsh and uncaring but in the long run think it through. Whichever side is genuinely interested in coexisting and just ratting or using the space without shooting other people will remain neutral with access to our station and not become targets of the fraction. While a genuinely aggressive raider force will shoot us too and consequently get set red and denied docking. In the end actions will create consequence and the side interested in good relations with us will get favourable treatment.
Quote: If they are not prosecuted, I think being NRDS is useless over there, no "bear" will accept to risk exactly like if they lived in NPC 0.0, where only friends are corpies and no defense is done.
Well this is a big reason why we (in SF) think that no "bear" who is senseless of their own defense really has a place out in 0.0. People need to take responsibility for their own protection, be prepared to fight back against oppressors and generally make it hard for people to blow them up. And we can help in some ways, hell we put 25billion isk down on a system with super low tariffs and a zero docking fee to encourage honest players to utilize the place. We seed the market with pvp ships, we deny docking to bad people, we allow neutrals to put up POS and utilize any of the ratting and mining assets they want to play with. All for free.
And because we're not charging a bean we don't feel obligated to provide a police force. Its a proposition with plenty of risk yes, but people can opt in or out at their own choice.
Ultimately I'd love to see our station in YWSO-Z filled with adventurous ratters and industrialists making a living from the fat rats and mining of the system and being prepared to fleet up in defense flocks of pvp ships when they see danger coming to the system and when that danger is from people who are red to the fraction we'll be shooting them too. But its about freedom at the end of the day, freedom to make your own choices, take your own risks, and take responsibility for your own protection.
We've made facilities available to neutrals with no onerous rules and regulations or "rent" or "slave contracts" of the kind CVA demanded. Its a take it or leave it deal.
But please don't insult us by claiming we're being unfair in making 25b isk investment available to free trade and access with zero strings attached just because we won't fight for you against other neutrals. Thats just silly.
The Star Fraction Freeport TAZ Norlonto in YWS0-Z System.
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Nykitah
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Posted - 2010.05.27 15:57:00 -
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While Star Fraction and Republic Alliance have been friends for a good amount of time as they share our ideals of NRDS but it would seem there are a few strong differences between us û that is to be expected since while we may be friends, we are two different entities with two very different home regions.
Our belief of NRDS is that space is free for everyone to use and co-exist without aggression yet we are not stupid to ignore reality û as long as there are peaceful pilots wanting to co-exist together, there will be others that will want to do nothing but ruin the peace and attempt to **** **** up. That is why we police our space and set down ground rules for any neutral party that enters, giving everyone the same rules to follow so that no one party can subvert our efforts but merely not aggressing our pilots while attacking everyone else in the area.
Neutrals attacking neutrals is a tricky situation û neutral pilots or gangs coming down our region to gank others is obvious, keeping track of the activity of our residents is also important since having groups that move down here only to use our benevolence as a safe-haven for them to rest before going out to other regions for ganks is not uncommon.
Nevertheless, the SF pilots have respected us and we will continue to respect them.
Besides, all the cool Alliances donÆt have mile-long blue lists.
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Disastro
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Posted - 2010.05.30 11:23:00 -
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I think the original poster isn't confused at all. We all know exactly who he is. He is a carebear who belongs in high sec and not in 0.0.
NRDS is for carebears who don't belong in 0.0. Fortunately CVA isnt any more.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Disastro I think the original poster isn't confused at all. We all know exactly who he is. He is a carebear who belongs in high sec and not in 0.0.
NRDS is for carebears who don't belong in 0.0. Fortunately CVA isnt any more.
Would you please take that argument to C&P forums where they constantly complain about people not leaving high sec?
What Aaron is pushing, love it or hate it, and the NRDS concept in general, is one way to get people out of high sec. Even with an active NRDS policy in a system, there is still a lot of room for error on the pilots part, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The end result is more PVP opportunity for both parties and a good time is had by all.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:57:00 -
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Seriously . . .
No freakin idea who you are and and your alliance holds no sov and no outposts. Keep dreaming though
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Pesht
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:44:00 -
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It's amusing that NBSI alliances believe they can keep people out of their space. Covops can get in, and now with T3 cruisers immune to warp bubbles, it's impossible to keep people out, even with massive gate camps. Other people will always be able to get intel on an alliance's operations, using the denial of scouting as an excuse for NBSI is moronic.
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