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Teinyhr Minmatar Nor'akho Matar	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:34:00 - [31] As some people have noted, it is a bit harder to roleplay when your avatar is just a ship floating in space. Not impossible, of course, and there are plenty of roleplaying corporations/alliances around, I believe Ush'ra'khan or however you spell their name is one of such alliances, and a rather notable one at that. However I have no intimate knowledge of how prevalent this is and how they roleplay. Well, being said that it is a bit hard to roleplay when your human avatar is only a photograph on the sidebar, thus far the roleplaying only extends itself best to taking a role on the in-character forums and acting your character out in there. You can't really flag yourself visibly as a roleplayer either, so roleplaying without especially seeking out a roleplaying corporation is quite a handful as seen even from this thread - much like in many other MMO's, roleplayers are commonly treated as somesort of even more nolife nerds than the other players who spend on average 2-3 hours a day on this game. So that discourages roleplaying, when you have no idea how the other player will respond - it's sadly common to get a response of "LOL RP?? U A *??" if you try to contact someone you don't know IC. I have hopes that roleplaying will gain more popularity once we get Incarna, seeing we will gain tangible bodies and confined areas to move around in, but that still would need someway to identify other roleplayers... That would require CCP making such a feature though, as terms of use** sez: "21. You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game. " And as an added note, poorly chosen names destroy immersion somewhat. When I started playing EvE I wasn't very interested in roleplaying and didn't bother to research a fitting Vherokior/Minmatar name. I've since added one to my bio and one that I use in the IGS, and thought of a story for my nickname (essentially an old academy callsign that stuck), but I'm pretty sure many people wouldn't instantly condsider me as a roleplayer or interested in roleplay due to my nickname. This could be fixed with the above mentioned feature though, should it ever get added. ------- Aaand to answer some questions you had OP, I roleplay because EVE has a wealth of rich lore, many interesting stories of days gone, many interesting characters, and of course an ongoing and engaging storyline of an alternate universe. It would be a shame to ignore all of that just for essentially playing multiplayer Excel. I'm rather sure I wouldn't play this game or any other MMO if there wasn't roleplaying, it adds a whole new twist to the game. Instead of, as said, just crunching numbers to make imaginary money and blowing up imaginary estates for imaginary fame and profit, you get to be someone in the game universe, consider the morality of your actions (assuming your character is not a totally emotionless bastard), and interact with other players more meaningfully than just deducting from their pockets and adding to your own (see the multiplayer Excel now?). ------------------- This is Sig. Launch every Sig. For Great Justice.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Teinyhr it is a bit harder to roleplay when your avatar is just a ship floating in space It makes it much easier to roleplay an immortal embodied by a spaceship. - Did this sig become irrelevant while I was gone? Let me know!
Kyra Felann Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Teinyhr As some people have noted, it is a bit harder to roleplay when your avatar is just a ship floating in space. I don't see it as being harder at all. Hell, people used to (and probably still do) roleplay on IRC with nothing but text. Due to the setting, I think it's quite easy to roleplay a capsuleer, most of whom probably spend almost all of their time either in their pod or relaxing during downtime in their quarters or their segregated areas of stations. To our characters, they probably do start to think of themselves as ships while in space, since while they're in their pods, their ship probably feels more like their body than their meatbag body. This is supported by various chronicles and other prime fiction, even the Incarna teaser trailer. Incarna will help roleplayers, for sure, but I don't see why you think it's hard to roleplay in EVE when as it is you're pretty much seeing exactly what your character sees--your ship through a camera drone, communication channels, and various other interfaces. The difference is that in reality you're looking at it on a monitor and controlling it with a mouse, whereas your character has it wired directly into their brain. I think you're falling into the trap of RP as it is in other MMOs--that RP is something you do during downtime between grinding while sitting around talking funny to other roleplayers. In EVE, roleplaying is how you play the game, not what you do during downtime in a tavern.
Teinyhr Minmatar Nor'akho Matar	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:13:00 - [34] Please don't get hung up on that single line on what I said, though. I personally have trouble immersing myself to the IG-chat as it is now, I understand not all people have the same problem. ------------------- This is Sig. Launch every Sig. For Great Justice.
Ryhss Caldari The Templar Navy SRS.	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian In your paper, try and define exactly what role playing is. Is it the person who says "Free the Minmatar slaves?" and joins a role playing alliance? Or is it an individual that enters the game and says something like "I will be anti-pirate" AKA a "good guy" in game, as oppose to something else? IMO both are forms of RP. This game forces you to log on, and make a decision, that decision is essentially RP. Is it not? /Agree
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Dock 94 Chaos Theory Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:35:00 - [36] I'm in the "Don't role-play" camp. What... it's not enough that people fly spaceships in a pod filled with goo, tens of thousands of years into the future, in a cluster of make-believe space? People actually need to call themselves "Lord of this", "Archbishop of that"? All that does to me is increase your signature radius so my trigger finger gets more itchy ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Jarik Utoni Minmatar Valhalla Industries	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:33:00 - [37] a little of both here, i'm writing blog/stories arround my character but i havn't really discovered a reason to roleplay much ingame as of yet, still i enjoy the immersion of writing the stories __________________ -Jarik Utoni, --Cov Ops Pilot ---T2 Frigate Specialist d(^.^)b The Story of Jarik Utoni
MotoTsume Gallente sniper unlimited United Abominations	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:53:00 - [38] Originally by: lookatzebirdie Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 15:20:12 Originally by: Pesky LaRue I suspect he's referencing the players that think RP means talking like you're at a renaissance fair. "verily, I may be requiring clean britches after that witty riposte good fellow !!!" RPer attempts to say "i f'kin lol'd" LOL ---------- www.mototsume.ca It's just a game........Or is it?*
Mr M Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:22:00 - [39] What do you call someone who's roleplaying a person who roleplays a character in a game? Meta roleplayer? Roleplayer^2? Eve Tribune\|EVEgeek\|Firebrand Radio
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:55:00 - [40] You mean this isn't real? ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Usagi Toshiro Amarr PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Crumplecorn Do you mean roleplaying as in acting in an internally consistent manner within the game or speaking like you have some kind of impediment? This cracks me up. Why does so much of the MMO community think that RP = Speaking like you are in the Renaissance? If I was playing a medieval fantasy game, I might RP that way. Otherwise, no. RP to me means playing my character within the confines of the game. Some folks enjoy creating a back story for their character, others prefer a more casual RP. I try to RP to the extent that I imagine my character to be a citizen of New Eden, and as such, they have various prejudices and motives for doing what they do. TLDR: RP =/= one speech pattern. RP = playing internet spaceships as members inside of New Eden.
RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.04.23 04:07:00 - [42] because I cba to write/read that much. plus the role play won't have any effect on the game at all. plus I don't really feel like there is a deep enough backstory to really matter. I guess that might have changed with the novels. but seeing as they are actual novels I can't see them mattering that much, and more as an on the side for the hell of it.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 05:28:00 - [43] i dabbled in it for a little while, but soon found my expectations of RP (backing up in-game actions with RP) was on a whole different level to much of the RP community (some of whom have somewhat of an elite status as RPers) who, in some cases, viewed PvPers as little more than metagaming griefers. The best bit is when you have someone who portrays their character as some kind of ruthless assasin, yet would never dare to actually undock their ship and engage in PvP. Maybe I don't 'get' RP, but at that point it just felt like playing pretend in primary school I dunno, I get far more immersion from actually playing the game. (it is an RPG, after all) - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2010.04.23 05:32:00 - [44] Take a look, too, at chatsubo and see why many "famous" "roleplayers" are an embarrassment to others and to the wider playerbase. "Blood raiders have honour duels, it's not in anything CCP's written, but my friend said so, they imagined it, so it must be true" just as an example. Yes. Yes, I am.
Trathen Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.23 05:38:00 - [45] Edited by: Trathen on 23/04/2010 05:38:39 I think it's pretty hard to not roleplay. Unless you start talking about 21st century politics, sports, celebrities, or CCP, you're roleplaying. If you don't read the storyline (guilty), you're just roleplaying an apathetic, focused pod pilot. As mentioned already, it's not like in fantasy MMOs where people feel the need to talk like Shakespeare reject scripts; Pod pilots would likely swear, spell poorly, abbreviate words in text, call themselves idiotic nicknames, act like spoiled children, complain about the effectiveness of missiles, etc. I find self-proclaimed RPers generally just use the label to excuse themselves from talking like d-bags. _
Printer Jam Printer Repair and Maintenance Specialists	Posted - 2010.04.23 06:25:00 - [46] I yell 'lighting bolt!' in local every time my lasers fire.
Lexx Khadar Minmatar HellForge.	Posted - 2010.04.23 06:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Trathen Edited by: Trathen on 23/04/2010 05:38:39 I think it's pretty hard to not roleplay. Unless you start talking about 21st century politics, sports, celebrities, or CCP, you're roleplaying. If you don't read the storyline (guilty), you're just roleplaying an apathetic, focused pod pilot. As mentioned already, it's not like in fantasy MMOs where people feel the need to talk like Shakespeare reject scripts; Pod pilots would likely swear, spell poorly, abbreviate words in text, call themselves idiotic nicknames, act like spoiled children, complain about the effectiveness of missiles, etc. I find self-proclaimed RPers generally just use the label to excuse themselves from talking like d-bags. This to be honest. Role-play isn't shoved down your throat and you can immerse yourself into it as much or as little as you like. If you think about it most of 0.0 politics can be construed as role-play. I don't need a label attached to people to generate an in character conversation. just playing day to day can help you create situations where you find like minded people who enjoy the extra immersion that you do.
Kyra Felann Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.23 08:05:00 - [48] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 23/04/2010 08:17:20 Originally by: Usagi Toshiro Originally by: Crumplecorn Do you mean roleplaying as in acting in an internally consistent manner within the game or speaking like you have some kind of impediment? This cracks me up. Why does so much of the MMO community think that RP = Speaking like you are in the Renaissance? If I was playing a medieval fantasy game, I might RP that way. Otherwise, no. Yup, this is right. I think the reason might be because probably most MMO players have never played an actual pen and paper roleplaying game. That might be why their views of roleplaying are skewed. Most MMO players seem to have no idea what roleplaying actually is, and there are a ton of people out there that give it a bad name. The ones who make up their own setting that doesn't agree with the game setting are a pet peeve of mine--"I'm actually a half-Jovian half-Terran half-elf and I have a pet genetically-engineered space pony and I'm the admiral of a giant fleet even though I've never actually led a group of players at all and I'm not a capsuleer because I want to be like Kirk and sit on a bridge and give orders and blah blah blah..." Originally by: Rawr Cristina i dabbled in it for a little while, but soon found my expectations of RP (backing up in-game actions with RP) was on a whole different level to much of the RP community (some of whom have somewhat of an elite status as RPers) who, in some cases, viewed PvPers as little more than metagaming griefers. The best bit is when you have someone who portrays their character as some kind of ruthless assasin, yet would never dare to actually undock their ship and engage in PvP. Maybe I don't 'get' RP, but at that point it just felt like playing pretend in primary school [:? First, real roleplaying isn't backing up in-game actions by writing fan-fiction, it's determining what you do in-game by what your character would do. You have it exactly backwards, but I don't blame you--most so-called "roleplayers" seem to have it backwards also. Second, I agree that people that portray themselves as super badasses that are afraid to actually fight are beneath contempt. They're missing the point--you are supposed to do what your character would do. You can't just say you're Admiral von Badass of the Imperial Dragon Fleet and that people across the cluster fear your name. You have to actually go out and find a fleet to lead and make people fear you, otherwise it's just talk. That's what separates EVE from other MMOs--you can actually go out and do these things instead of just sitting around talking about it.
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2010.04.23 09:24:00 - [49] I've been actively RPing in EVE for years now. Why? because it's *fun*. What other reason do I need? I don't think it means I take the game "too seriously", especially when there are guys out there who spend twelve hours a day logged doing frak-knows-what on behalf of their alliance. You don't have to be a roleplayer to take the game too seriously. In fact, you don't have to take the game seriously at all in order to roleplay. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.04.23 10:03:00 - [50] You are roleplaying a pilot who is above consequences and treats ships as toys. ...It's hard not to get into that mindset.
Dett K5	Posted - 2010.04.23 10:09:00 - [51] You fly interweb spaceships.... doesn't sound like role playing to me.
Orion Cor Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.23 10:40:00 - [52] Here's my third attempt to respond. Since the forum mechanics squashed the past 30-minute post, I'll have to be brief: I don't role play because I'm unknown. From what I've seen in the forums, only the well known, and therefore longer-playing, characters are involved in role play. I don't hold fast to a single character long enough to develop "a character" who is as famous, intrigueing, and experienced in New Eden as the ones I've seen. ______________________________ "Irpom ignopom ifosis." ~Me, 1992
Teinyhr Minmatar Nor'akho Matar	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:18:00 - [53] Edited by: Teinyhr on 23/04/2010 11:19:22 Originally by: Space Pinata You are roleplaying a pilot who is above consequences and treats ships as toys. Well that depends. While true, pod pilots can get away with atrocities most non-eggers couldn't, that doesn't necessarily mean a pod pilot is an unfeeling machine. I'd imagine there are all kinds of people around the spacelanes, some pilots do care for their crew (and people on habitation modules etc.) at least in some way such as in the chronicle of "All those lives are fit to Ruin" whereas others certainly would have become drunk on their power and above-the-law status so much that they don't care about the little people nor the equipment, after all it's just ISK from their bottomless pockets. ------------------- This is Sig. Launch every Sig. For Great Justice.
Marus Sulla Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.23 12:56:00 - [54] Roleplayer signing in. I belong to a Minmatar only corp in Ushra'Khan. Why? It's easy to add a nice bit of depth to the game and can have quite an effect on your gameplay if you want. For example I won't dock in Amarr stations and I would be quite liable to shoot anyone with high Amarr standings . Eve is such a big game that constructing a little RP can help define some goals etc for yourself. Plus I've found the Eve RP community a lot of fun/interesting, even the filthy CVA/PIE slavers
Mercspector	Posted - 2010.04.23 13:29:00 - [55] So LARP (Live action Role Playing) but than with eve online costumes? I WANT TO DRESS LIKE A TITAN!
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:04:00 - [56] Everybody in EVE roleplays to some extent. Nobody really shoots lasers or flying a spaceship, its just pixels of ships and lasers dancing on your screen. Everybody that has ever said he was 'firing his lasers' was RP-ing. In fact, everybody referring to each other by their character names (if it is not equal to their own name) is playing a role. The big difference between so-called RP-ers and those who don't is that the first group tends to make a problem of mixing obvious EVE RP elements and non EVE elements while the latter freely mix: "This crappy Raven flies just poor as my own Volkswagen drives" ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Merdaneth Everybody in EVE roleplays to some extent. Nobody really shoots lasers or flying a spaceship, its just pixels of ships and lasers dancing on your screen. Everybody that has ever said he was 'firing his lasers' was RP-ing. In fact, everybody referring to each other by their character names (if it is not equal to their own name) is playing a role. If only more were as dedicated as you, Merd. I'll never forget that time you flew all the way from the safety of hi-sec to YZ-9 in the middle of wartorn Delve (during the Goon takeover no less) specifically to kill me - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Rawr Cristina The best bit is when you have someone who portrays their character as some kind of ruthless assasin, yet would never dare to actually undock their ship and engage in PvP. Maybe I don't 'get' RP, but at that point it just felt like playing pretend in primary school Someone who tries to appear like a ruthless assassin, but there is no evidence that supports his portrayal and even evidence that discredits his portrayal he is effectively RP-ing a poser. However, it is also possible you don't get their image of a ruthless assassin. There are enough people IRL who try and appear like X, but who aren't believable as such. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Sedilis Lead Farmers	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:21:00 - [59] I think quite a lot of people in Eve role-play on some level (myself included) in that the actions you decided to do in game are mostly consistent with the character you have created, even it if is on a subconscious level. For example most pirate corps probably don't go for role-playing in the traditional sense but they will all tend to do pirate activities which probably do not match up with how they would act IRL... I would say that is role-playing of sorts.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:43:00 - [60] Originally by: Rawr Cristina If only more were as dedicated as you, Merd. I'll never forget that time you flew all the way from the safety of hi-sec to YZ-9 in the middle of wartorn Delve (during the Goon takeover no less) specifically to kill me It was only unforgettable because I actually succeeded in killing you. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery

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