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Waxau
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:35:00 -
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Hey all!
Ok! Some of you out there might have read a while ago that i'm writing a paper, and the majority of content is based on Virtual worlds, such as Eve.
To explain simply, some might have heard of how we are all said to be 'performing' at all times. Any social interaction, any posture and so on, can be related to a sense of performing.
My paper is now looking at the extent of performing that identity, but in virtual worlds, where physicality doesnt exist. In essense, all you have is your character to 'perform' through.
So my question today is this:
Do you roleplay? If you do, why? Do you know why ? Or do you just 'click' into that role perhaps? And what does it give you that non-roleplay doesnt?
And if you dont roleplay, why not? Do you feel its 'silly/childish' to roleplay? Or somewhat embarassed? Again again, what does it give you that roleplay doesnt?
Keep in mind here lads, i'm trying to appear academic. In essence, im making it up as i go along! So any answers will be of use!
Thanks in advance all!
Wax
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:49:00 -
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Do you mean roleplaying as in acting in an internally consistent manner within the game or speaking like you have some kind of impediment?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:50:00 -
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hi cat here
roleplay lol? defending against pirates and telling my friends and fans of my plight is super serial ill thank you to know lol also it is my solemn duty and i dont afraid of anything
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:19:00 -
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I'd answer, but it would defeat my immersion in the game.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 14:24:31
I don't roleplay, and TBH I have at times, found the actions of roleplayers to amusing/irritating. Addressing ppl as "sir" in fleets or going off the deep end about the morality of a suggested activity. But here's the thing, I play EvE so much and find myself SO IMMERSED in it that you could say I am roleplaying myself. The suspension of reality (at times) is so great that while logged in, I forget about the real world and I actually inhabit new Eden.
For me, the depth of this game makes it unnecessary to role play. In fact, the level of immersion is so convincing that roleplaying seems to stick out as amateur and "wooden" which is probably what annoys me about it, but that said, some people may not want to "roleplay themselves" and so adopt a new persona. Perhaps I should cut them more slack, since being an equity card carrying method actor is not a pre req for playing eve, paying a sub is. 
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:51:00 -
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As a lone wolf player my main and two alts each have different personalities, but similar in outlook, as you might expect. Tho I do keep up on the Eve backstory, my characters just go about their business and focus on the task at hand.
As I rarely interact with other players, my immmersion in what I am doing fleshes out the characters and the role they play is being themselves. They do not have roles, I am them.
They even wrinkle their noses at the stench in Minmatar stations, and gag at the stagnant perfume scent that permeates Gallente stations. You'd think pod pilots would be immune to that, but oddly enough my characters aren't.
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:54:00 -
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I don't because frankly I'd feel embarrassed taking a game that far.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Crumplecorn
Do you mean roleplaying as in acting in an internally consistent manner within the game or speaking like you have some kind of impediment?
I suspect he's referencing the players that think RP means talking like you're at a renaissance fair.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:19:00 -
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I tend to do "light" roleplaying because I don't see the point of playing a game like this unless you're going to immerse yourself in the world and pretend, at least to an extent, to be your character.
I don't write pages and pages of character history or things like that or write a short story about my every action, but I have an idea of how my character feels about certain things and how she would react to certain things and I try to stay true to that.
Treating this game solely as a set of mechanics and rules for interacting with other nerds over the internet to me is very boring and if that's all it was to me, I would've quit long ago.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 15:20:12
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
I suspect he's referencing the players that think RP means talking like you're at a renaissance fair.
"verily, I may be requiring clean britches after that witty riposte good fellow !!!"
*RPer attempts to say "i f'kin lol'd"
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lost marble
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: lost marble on 22/04/2010 15:35:29
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:38:00 -
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So Tibus, Shakor and Souro enter a Minmatar bar...
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scunner funk
Minmatar
Connoisseurs Of Hallucination
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:44:00 -
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I think there's a big difference between roleplay in the classic sense of pretending to be someone else and empathetic roleplay in terms of feeling empathy for a specific race and maybe joining their militia or engaging in some casual online racism.
I'm very much minmatar and shall endeavor to fart more often when in Amarr stations just in case Ghengis Tia is there and needs something to wrinkle his nose at.
I suspect there's quite a lot of empathetic roleplay in eve, people who are being themselves but feel they fit in to a certain culture or group and have an image about how their character(s) fit in to that society. I know my alts all have their own character and little back story that gets fleshed out while I'm not concentrating on the game, one of the things I enjoy most about eve is the story in my head.
Something I've noticed is the way people will react to different alts, my main is called yani dumyat and I don't know why but people will take longer to trust him than my other toons, it's interesting to watch new members of my normal chat channels react to my toons before they figure out which ones are my alts.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
I have an idea of how my character feels about certain things and how she would react to certain things and I try to stay true to that.
I'd be like that too, this is a nice way of putting what I called 'internal consistency' above. My main is based on me, and reacts vaguely as I might in 'his' place, i.e. fairly passive and carebeary. Even if I get the sudden inclination to shoot random people, I remember that the character wouldn't. But one time I played a pirate alt for a month, and while playing the alt I shot everything in sight. Back on my main, I went back to being a carebear.
Aside from that, the biggest roleplay thing I've done is change my portrait to reflect my (and therefore the character's) changed attitude after a year in EVE. I suppose that's really reverse roleplay though.
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yourdoingitwrong
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau
Hey all!
Ok! Some of you out there might have read a while ago that i'm writing a paper, and the majority of content is based on Virtual worlds, such as Eve.
To explain simply, some might have heard of how we are all said to be 'performing' at all times. Any social interaction, any posture and so on, can be related to a sense of performing.
My paper is now looking at the extent of performing that identity, but in virtual worlds, where physicality doesnt exist. In essense, all you have is your character to 'perform' through.
So my question today is this:
Do you roleplay? If you do, why? Do you know why ? Or do you just 'click' into that role perhaps? And what does it give you that non-roleplay doesnt?
And if you dont roleplay, why not? Do you feel its 'silly/childish' to roleplay? Or somewhat embarassed? Again again, what does it give you that roleplay doesnt?
Keep in mind here lads, i'm trying to appear academic. In essence, im making it up as i go along! So any answers will be of use!
Thanks in advance all!
Wax
because its gay
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Ryhss
Caldari
The Templar Navy
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ryhss on 22/04/2010 16:30:44
I sort of RP. I say stuff in character(like my dislike for the Gallente, or my "tolerance" of the Amarr), but then in a battle during a war dec or something, it's all not RP stuff.
Of course I am a filmaker, and during high school and beyond I played paper and pencil RPG's like Dungeons and Dragons.
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UVPhoenix2
Gallente
Brotherhood of Heart and Steel
Iron Heart Brotherhood
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:31:00 -
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I don't role-play. My black friends would be disappoint.
I know how you feel. Material of this nature affect us all in different ways. What you need to do is learn from this. And this is just my sig. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Do you mean roleplaying as in acting in an internally consistent manner within the game or speaking like you have some kind of impediment?
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Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:33:00 -
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In your paper, try and define exactly what role playing is. Is it the person who says "Free the Minmatar slaves?" and joins a role playing alliance? Or is it an individual that enters the game and says something like "I will be anti-pirate" AKA a "good guy" in game, as oppose to something else?
IMO both are forms of RP.
This game forces you to log on, and make a decision, that decision is essentially RP. Is it not?
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
I don't because frankly I'd feel embarrassed taking a game that far.
Typical Caldari self-righteousness.
Anyway...role playing is difficult when you have players named "Funtclaps"
An in-game name generator for each race would be nice.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:46:00 -
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I've been a roleplayer (tabletop and online) for over twenty years.
I do not roleplay in Eve however. I'm not entirely sure why, other than it seems that finding another set of roleplayers in Eve is harder than you might expext, and at this point, I'm too used to logging in and just chatting with my friends and corp mates without the added overhead of roleplaying.
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Originally by: Jiseinoku
Mining is the path to enlightement.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:36:00 -
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There isn't a clear enough definition of what roleplaying constitutes to make roleplaying a enjoyable experience in EVE. There are just seven shades of silly with a lot hurr, durr and blargh.
Also there is little in-game features, world events and general over-arching storytelling to frame roleplaying, though I understand that EVE is one of the games with a greater amount of this and that including everything for roleplaying needs would probably require too many resources.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:44:00 -
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As of recently I have nt been in game very much at all. I fly the flag of a roleplaying alliance, but I do not post in the RP forums since I am not actively participating in the game.
That being said, every pilot in EVE is roleplaying. Some take it to varying levels along a spectrum that is as dynamic as the game itself, if not more so.
Also, one could say that my previous views are personal creations from an urge to create an image of a dynamic universe to appease my own needs to want to participate in a fully immersed role play community.
Originally by: Esu Nahalas
I'd answer, but it would defeat my immersion in the game.
/facepalm 
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Don Lunardi
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Compare this to a traditional MMO, where you may pretend and act like you're Lord EpicPants
Didn't he star in some very naughty and explicit videos?
I actually opted to join a Caldari RP group here fairly early in my EVE career. People sometime get the wrong idea that supporting any element of RP means people spend thier time making long-winded emotes in corp/local chat, and generally taking themselves way too seriously. Can't say I've ever found this to be the case in CAIN.
What I have found, however, is a group of mature and helpful corpmates who have been of great assistance in learning the ropes in a place as complex as EVE. As Kyra alluded to, there is certainly no reason why "light" RP can't go hand-in-hand with the daily travails of being a capsuleer. It may not be for everyone, certainly, but I find it work for me.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 22/04/2010 19:54:35
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Kyra Felann
I have an idea of how my character feels about certain things and how she would react to certain things and I try to stay true to that.
I'd be like that too, this is a nice way of putting what I called 'internal consistency' above. My main is based on me, and reacts vaguely as I might in 'his' place, i.e. fairly passive and carebeary. Even if I get the sudden inclination to shoot random people, I remember that the character wouldn't. But one time I played a pirate alt for a month, and while playing the alt I shot everything in sight. Back on my main, I went back to being a carebear.
That's basically roleplaying, albeit roleplaying oneself. Too many people think roleplaying is talking funny ("Greetings and well met, friends. How are you on this fine day?") and it's not. Of course, doing what your character would do probably includes talking, thus talking about football or The Office or Paris Hilton would be non-roleplaying, but you don't have to adopt a silly dialect or talk in a flowery way to be roleplaying. I think this misconception is what gives roleplaying a bad name. Too many people go around talking funny and writing tons of fan fiction about every action they take and call that roleplaying and it's really not.
EVE, due to its setting, is very free about how you talk even if roleplaying. Presumably capsuleers would use most of the same slang that we do, as opposed to in an average fantasy setting where talk of "respawning" or "experience points" wouldn't make sense.
In case you're wondering, I've been playing pen and paper roleplaying games for 20+ years now, so that's where my idea of roleplaying primarily comes from and why I think that many people in MMOs don't really understand roleplaying as well as they think they do.
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
This game forces you to log on, and make a decision, that decision is essentially RP. Is it not?
Pretty much, yes--and that's why I think EVE is one of the most roleplaying-friendly MMOs out there. If you decide "I want to be a pirate", you play the game doing pretty much what a space pirate would do. Likewise, if you decide "I want to be a business tycoon", you pretty much spend your playtime doing what a business tycoon would do.
Even if you have no guidelines for your behavior other than fun and profit, that can also be roleplayed. Much of the fiction portrays capsuleers as violent, selfish, fickle, and borderline insane in some cases and that fits the way many play the game.
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Jerid Verges
Gallente
The Society of Innovation
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:02:00 -
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I won't talk it as far as saying "Roleplay" but I let myself be immersed in the game a little. I'll speak poorly about Caldari and Amarr, and say minmatar ships suck because they're junkers. Stuff like that.
Treating this game like just a "game" would make things...i dunno, more boring.
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Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Space Pinata on 22/04/2010 21:14:09
Protip: Roleplay is about playing a character. This doesn't mean talking like an idiot.
Why would a space captain thousands of years in the future talk like a medieval poet?
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EVE, due to its setting, is very free about how you talk even if roleplaying. Presumably capsuleers would use most of the same slang that we do, as opposed to in an average fantasy setting where talk of "respawning" or "experience points" wouldn't make sense.
So much this. In a fantasy game, saying "this increases my accuracy stat by...." is immersion breaking, because human beings don't have stats.
In EVE, an RPer would say "This increases my rate of fire.." and a non-RPer would say.. the exact same thing. "I enhanced my agility".. etc. Of course you'd know your ships specifications.
Also: Rivalries. People really have it out for their corp/alliances 'enemies'... but don't have any reason to, outside of the context of the game. People get so caught up in the little wars and politics that they RP without realizing it, mostly because they think RP is about dressing in tights and saying verily, or something. 
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:15:00 -
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I roleplay a character who breaks the fourth wall.
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Syn Callibri
Swag Co.
Sandbox Bullies
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:16:00 -
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Do you roleplay? If you do, why? Do you know why ? Or do you just 'click' into that role perhaps? And what does it give you that non-roleplay doesnt?
I do both to an extent...In typed chat I put things through the lens of "Syn", how she feels/thinks/reacts/talks/etc... However, in TS3 (Corp) its just "me" laughing it up with my Corpmates (OOC). Maybe, just maybe; through my "in character" chat in game I can contribute to a better sense of immersion for other players and getting into "Syn's head" as it were adds to my sense of immersion as well. If they "play" back great, if not...its thier $14.99/mo. and they can do what they want.
In a game like EvE where there is no "Avatar" walking around(yet)it becomes harder to "get into the character" since the visual reference/stimuli (seeing the gunfight/duel with swords/etc...) isn't there for the most part...which makes it harder for people to identify themselves with the character on screen
The "trick" is to not lose "yourself" in the character while still "getting into" the charater. Losing your own identity for the sake of "the role" is proly the biggest "danger" of roleplaying. People that "lose themselves" is the main contributing reason that "RPing" has gotten the bad name that it has over the years. I know this because, I have known people that have gone WAY OVERBOARD with the "role".
btw...I've been a "Gamer" since I was 12, and still play paper and pencil RPGs with the same group I have for years. Does that qualify me as a "Subject Matter Expert"?
Sorry bout' the wall-o-text. 
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
I don't because frankly I'd feel embarrassed taking a game that far.
Rumour has it that some of EVE's "roleplayers" do such things as throwing away their real relationships/marriages to pursue an ingame one.
Or sleeping with someone to get discount rates on mercenary contracts.
So yes, some of EVE's "roleplayers" are an embarrassment to the wider EVE playerbase.
However, roleplay can be something you can use to generate more wars and stuff.
"You are a slaver", "You are a rebel", "Let's fight!"
Gives people more potential reasons to fight, which is good.
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Teinyhr
Minmatar
Nor'akho Matar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:34:00 -
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As some people have noted, it is a bit harder to roleplay when your avatar is just a ship floating in space. Not impossible, of course, and there are plenty of roleplaying corporations/alliances around, I believe Ush'ra'khan or however you spell their name is one of such alliances, and a rather notable one at that. However I have no intimate knowledge of how prevalent this is and how they roleplay.
Well, being said that it is a bit hard to roleplay when your human avatar is only a photograph on the sidebar, thus far the roleplaying only extends itself best to taking a role on the in-character forums and acting your character out in there. You can't really flag yourself visibly as a roleplayer either, so roleplaying without especially seeking out a roleplaying corporation is quite a handful as seen even from this thread - much like in many other MMO's, roleplayers are commonly treated as somesort of even more nolife nerds than the other players who spend on average 2-3 hours a day on this game. So that discourages roleplaying, when you have no idea how the other player will respond - it's sadly common to get a response of "LOL RP?? U A ***??" if you try to contact someone you don't know IC.
I have hopes that roleplaying will gain more popularity once we get Incarna, seeing we will gain tangible bodies and confined areas to move around in, but that still would need someway to identify other roleplayers... That would require CCP making such a feature though, as terms of use sez:
"21. You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game. "
And as an added note, poorly chosen names destroy immersion somewhat. When I started playing EvE I wasn't very interested in roleplaying and didn't bother to research a fitting Vherokior/Minmatar name. I've since added one to my bio and one that I use in the IGS, and thought of a story for my nickname (essentially an old academy callsign that stuck), but I'm pretty sure many people wouldn't instantly condsider me as a roleplayer or interested in roleplay due to my nickname. This could be fixed with the above mentioned feature though, should it ever get added.
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Aaand to answer some questions you had OP, I roleplay because EVE has a wealth of rich lore, many interesting stories of days gone, many interesting characters, and of course an ongoing and engaging storyline of an alternate universe. It would be a shame to ignore all of that just for essentially playing multiplayer Excel. I'm rather sure I wouldn't play this game or any other MMO if there wasn't roleplaying, it adds a whole new twist to the game. Instead of, as said, just crunching numbers to make imaginary money and blowing up imaginary estates for imaginary fame and profit, you get to be someone in the game universe, consider the morality of your actions (assuming your character is not a totally emotionless bastard), and interact with other players more meaningfully than just deducting from their pockets and adding to your own (see the multiplayer Excel now?).
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Teinyhr
it is a bit harder to roleplay when your avatar is just a ship floating in space
It makes it much easier to roleplay an immortal embodied by a spaceship.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Teinyhr
As some people have noted, it is a bit harder to roleplay when your avatar is just a ship floating in space.
I don't see it as being harder at all. Hell, people used to (and probably still do) roleplay on IRC with nothing but text. Due to the setting, I think it's quite easy to roleplay a capsuleer, most of whom probably spend almost all of their time either in their pod or relaxing during downtime in their quarters or their segregated areas of stations. To our characters, they probably do start to think of themselves as ships while in space, since while they're in their pods, their ship probably feels more like their body than their meatbag body. This is supported by various chronicles and other prime fiction, even the Incarna teaser trailer.
Incarna will help roleplayers, for sure, but I don't see why you think it's hard to roleplay in EVE when as it is you're pretty much seeing exactly what your character sees--your ship through a camera drone, communication channels, and various other interfaces. The difference is that in reality you're looking at it on a monitor and controlling it with a mouse, whereas your character has it wired directly into their brain.
I think you're falling into the trap of RP as it is in other MMOs--that RP is something you do during downtime between grinding while sitting around talking funny to other roleplayers. In EVE, roleplaying is how you play the game, not what you do during downtime in a tavern.
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Teinyhr
Minmatar
Nor'akho Matar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:13:00 -
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Please don't get hung up on that single line on what I said, though. I personally have trouble immersing myself to the IG-chat as it is now, I understand not all people have the same problem.
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Ryhss
Caldari
The Templar Navy
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
In your paper, try and define exactly what role playing is. Is it the person who says "Free the Minmatar slaves?" and joins a role playing alliance? Or is it an individual that enters the game and says something like "I will be anti-pirate" AKA a "good guy" in game, as oppose to something else?
IMO both are forms of RP.
This game forces you to log on, and make a decision, that decision is essentially RP. Is it not?
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Dock 94
Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:35:00 -
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I'm in the "Don't role-play" camp.
What... it's not enough that people fly spaceships in a pod filled with goo, tens of thousands of years into the future, in a cluster of make-believe space? People actually need to call themselves "Lord of this", "Archbishop of that"? All that does to me is increase your signature radius so my trigger finger gets more itchy
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Jarik Utoni
Minmatar
Valhalla Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.22 23:33:00 -
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a little of both here, i'm writing blog/stories arround my character but i havn't really discovered a reason to roleplay much ingame as of yet, still i enjoy the immersion of writing the stories
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MotoTsume
Gallente
sniper unlimited
United Abominations
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Posted - 2010.04.22 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 15:20:12
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
I suspect he's referencing the players that think RP means talking like you're at a renaissance fair.
"verily, I may be requiring clean britches after that witty riposte good fellow !!!"
*RPer attempts to say "i f'kin lol'd"
LOL
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Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:22:00 -
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What do you call someone who's roleplaying a person who roleplays a character in a game? Meta roleplayer? Roleplayer^2?
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:55:00 -
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You mean this isn't real?
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Usagi Toshiro
Amarr
PoliCratton Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Do you mean roleplaying as in acting in an internally consistent manner within the game or speaking like you have some kind of impediment?
This cracks me up. Why does so much of the MMO community think that RP = Speaking like you are in the Renaissance? If I was playing a medieval fantasy game, I might RP that way. Otherwise, no.
RP to me means playing my character within the confines of the game. Some folks enjoy creating a back story for their character, others prefer a more casual RP. I try to RP to the extent that I imagine my character to be a citizen of New Eden, and as such, they have various prejudices and motives for doing what they do.
TLDR: RP =/= one speech pattern. RP = playing internet spaceships as members inside of New Eden.
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:07:00 -
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because I cba to write/read that much. plus the role play won't have any effect on the game at all.
plus I don't really feel like there is a deep enough backstory to really matter. I guess that might have changed with the novels. but seeing as they are actual novels I can't see them mattering that much, and more as an on the side for the hell of it.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:28:00 -
[43]
i dabbled in it for a little while, but soon found my expectations of RP (backing up in-game actions with RP) was on a whole different level to much of the RP community (some of whom have somewhat of an elite status as RPers) who, in some cases, viewed PvPers as little more than metagaming griefers.
The best bit is when you have someone who portrays their character as some kind of ruthless assasin, yet would never dare to actually undock their ship and engage in PvP. Maybe I don't 'get' RP, but at that point it just felt like playing pretend in primary school 
I dunno, I get far more immersion from actually playing the game. (it is an RPG, after all)
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:32:00 -
[44]
Take a look, too, at chatsubo and see why many "famous" "roleplayers" are an embarrassment to others and to the wider playerbase.
"Blood raiders have honour duels, it's not in anything CCP's written, but my friend said so, they imagined it, so it must be true"
just as an example.
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Yes, I am. |
Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:38:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Trathen on 23/04/2010 05:38:39
I think it's pretty hard to not roleplay. Unless you start talking about 21st century politics, sports, celebrities, or CCP, you're roleplaying. If you don't read the storyline (guilty), you're just roleplaying an apathetic, focused pod pilot. As mentioned already, it's not like in fantasy MMOs where people feel the need to talk like Shakespeare reject scripts; Pod pilots would likely swear, spell poorly, abbreviate words in text, call themselves idiotic nicknames, act like spoiled children, complain about the effectiveness of missiles, etc.
I find self-proclaimed RPers generally just use the label to excuse themselves from talking like d-bags.
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Printer Jam
Printer Repair and Maintenance Specialists
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:25:00 -
[46]
I yell 'lighting bolt!' in local every time my lasers fire.
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Lexx Khadar
Minmatar
HellForge.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:42:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Trathen
Edited by: Trathen on 23/04/2010 05:38:39
I think it's pretty hard to not roleplay. Unless you start talking about 21st century politics, sports, celebrities, or CCP, you're roleplaying. If you don't read the storyline (guilty), you're just roleplaying an apathetic, focused pod pilot. As mentioned already, it's not like in fantasy MMOs where people feel the need to talk like Shakespeare reject scripts; Pod pilots would likely swear, spell poorly, abbreviate words in text, call themselves idiotic nicknames, act like spoiled children, complain about the effectiveness of missiles, etc.
I find self-proclaimed RPers generally just use the label to excuse themselves from talking like d-bags.
This to be honest. Role-play isn't shoved down your throat and you can immerse yourself into it as much or as little as you like. If you think about it most of 0.0 politics can be construed as role-play. I don't need a label attached to people to generate an in character conversation. just playing day to day can help you create situations where you find like minded people who enjoy the extra immersion that you do.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:05:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Kyra Felann on 23/04/2010 08:17:20
Originally by: Usagi Toshiro
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Do you mean roleplaying as in acting in an internally consistent manner within the game or speaking like you have some kind of impediment?
This cracks me up. Why does so much of the MMO community think that RP = Speaking like you are in the Renaissance? If I was playing a medieval fantasy game, I might RP that way. Otherwise, no.
Yup, this is right. I think the reason might be because probably most MMO players have never played an actual pen and paper roleplaying game. That might be why their views of roleplaying are skewed.
Most MMO players seem to have no idea what roleplaying actually is, and there are a ton of people out there that give it a bad name.
The ones who make up their own setting that doesn't agree with the game setting are a pet peeve of mine--"I'm actually a half-Jovian half-Terran half-elf and I have a pet genetically-engineered space pony and I'm the admiral of a giant fleet even though I've never actually led a group of players at all and I'm not a capsuleer because I want to be like Kirk and sit on a bridge and give orders and blah blah blah..."
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
i dabbled in it for a little while, but soon found my expectations of RP (backing up in-game actions with RP) was on a whole different level to much of the RP community (some of whom have somewhat of an elite status as RPers) who, in some cases, viewed PvPers as little more than metagaming griefers.
The best bit is when you have someone who portrays their character as some kind of ruthless assasin, yet would never dare to actually undock their ship and engage in PvP. Maybe I don't 'get' RP, but at that point it just felt like playing pretend in primary school [:?
First, real roleplaying isn't backing up in-game actions by writing fan-fiction, it's determining what you do in-game by what your character would do. You have it exactly backwards, but I don't blame you--most so-called "roleplayers" seem to have it backwards also.
Second, I agree that people that portray themselves as super badasses that are afraid to actually fight are beneath contempt. They're missing the point--you are supposed to do what your character would do. You can't just say you're Admiral von Badass of the Imperial Dragon Fleet and that people across the cluster fear your name. You have to actually go out and find a fleet to lead and make people fear you, otherwise it's just talk.
That's what separates EVE from other MMOs--you can actually go out and do these things instead of just sitting around talking about it.
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Stitcher
Caldari
ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.23 09:24:00 -
[49]
I've been actively RPing in EVE for years now.
Why? because it's fun.
What other reason do I need? I don't think it means I take the game "too seriously", especially when there are guys out there who spend twelve hours a day logged doing frak-knows-what on behalf of their alliance.
You don't have to be a roleplayer to take the game too seriously. In fact, you don't have to take the game seriously at all in order to roleplay.
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Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.23 10:03:00 -
[50]
You are roleplaying a pilot who is above consequences and treats ships as toys.
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Dett K5
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Posted - 2010.04.23 10:09:00 -
[51]
You fly interweb spaceships.... doesn't sound like role playing to me.
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Orion Cor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.23 10:40:00 -
[52]
Here's my third attempt to respond. Since the forum mechanics squashed the past 30-minute post, I'll have to be brief: I don't role play because I'm unknown. From what I've seen in the forums, only the well known, and therefore longer-playing, characters are involved in role play. I don't hold fast to a single character long enough to develop "a character" who is as famous, intrigueing, and experienced in New Eden as the ones I've seen.
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Teinyhr
Minmatar
Nor'akho Matar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Teinyhr on 23/04/2010 11:19:22
Originally by: Space Pinata
You are roleplaying a pilot who is above consequences and treats ships as toys.
Well that depends. While true, pod pilots can get away with atrocities most non-eggers couldn't, that doesn't necessarily mean a pod pilot is an unfeeling machine. I'd imagine there are all kinds of people around the spacelanes, some pilots do care for their crew (and people on habitation modules etc.) at least in some way such as in the chronicle of "All those lives are fit to Ruin" whereas others certainly would have become drunk on their power and above-the-law status so much that they don't care about the little people nor the equipment, after all it's just ISK from their bottomless pockets.
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Marus Sulla
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:56:00 -
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Roleplayer signing in.
I belong to a Minmatar only corp in Ushra'Khan. Why? It's easy to add a nice bit of depth to the game and can have quite an effect on your gameplay if you want. For example I won't dock in Amarr stations and I would be quite liable to shoot anyone with high Amarr standings . Eve is such a big game that constructing a little RP can help define some goals etc for yourself. Plus I've found the Eve RP community a lot of fun/interesting, even the filthy CVA/PIE slavers
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Mercspector
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:29:00 -
[55]
So LARP (Live action Role Playing) but than with eve online costumes?
I WANT TO DRESS LIKE A TITAN!
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:04:00 -
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Everybody in EVE roleplays to some extent.
Nobody really shoots lasers or flying a spaceship, its just pixels of ships and lasers dancing on your screen. Everybody that has ever said he was 'firing his lasers' was RP-ing.
In fact, everybody referring to each other by their character names (if it is not equal to their own name) is playing a role.
The big difference between so-called RP-ers and those who don't is that the first group tends to make a problem of mixing obvious EVE RP elements and non EVE elements while the latter freely mix: "This crappy Raven flies just poor as my own Volkswagen drives"
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:18:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Merdaneth
Everybody in EVE roleplays to some extent.
Nobody really shoots lasers or flying a spaceship, its just pixels of ships and lasers dancing on your screen. Everybody that has ever said he was 'firing his lasers' was RP-ing.
In fact, everybody referring to each other by their character names (if it is not equal to their own name) is playing a role.
If only more were as dedicated as you, Merd. I'll never forget that time you flew all the way from the safety of hi-sec to YZ-9 in the middle of wartorn Delve (during the Goon takeover no less) specifically to kill me 
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:19:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
The best bit is when you have someone who portrays their character as some kind of ruthless assasin, yet would never dare to actually undock their ship and engage in PvP. Maybe I don't 'get' RP, but at that point it just felt like playing pretend in primary school
Someone who tries to appear like a ruthless assassin, but there is no evidence that supports his portrayal and even evidence that discredits his portrayal he is effectively RP-ing a poser.
However, it is also possible you don't get their image of a ruthless assassin. There are enough people IRL who try and appear like X, but who aren't believable as such.
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Sedilis
Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:21:00 -
[59]
I think quite a lot of people in Eve role-play on some level (myself included) in that the actions you decided to do in game are mostly consistent with the character you have created, even it if is on a subconscious level.
For example most pirate corps probably don't go for role-playing in the traditional sense but they will all tend to do pirate activities which probably do not match up with how they would act IRL... I would say that is role-playing of sorts.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:43:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
If only more were as dedicated as you, Merd. I'll never forget that time you flew all the way from the safety of hi-sec to YZ-9 in the middle of wartorn Delve (during the Goon takeover no less) specifically to kill me
It was only unforgettable because I actually succeeded in killing you.
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:35:00 -
[61]
eve doesnt need RP its people against people and it brings out the truth in people regardless... I do however sometimes call amarr ****bags
Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:03:00 -
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Yes, I roleplay. No, I don't go 'verily, thy craven self blah blah blah'.
I roleplay by creating a personality, shaped by a backstory and contemporary society provided largely by CCP. I play the game, acting and making decisions as that character would. Why? Because it amuses me. It allows me to leave myself behind at the computer screen, and instead delve into the world I play in, enjoying it's sights, sounds, politics and interactions. I couldn't do that as myself, since game-mechanics wouldn't allow for someone like me to ever achieve anything in that universe, due to my values and ways.
Roleplaying isn't fancy language. It's not speaking certain ways or faffing about with ridiculously overdone motivations or expectations. It's simply creating a character different from yourself with a personality and motivations you wouldn't have. Then diving into that person's head and explore a new universe from that perspective, and interact with others from that perspective.
Becomes someone else for a while. It can be great fun.
Backstage @ Inspiracy. The new Eve RP Forums, now with 10% more fun! |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:12:00 -
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There have been decent discussions about these very topics on these forums, http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com (drama free!)
I began 'roleplaying' in EvE in 2006. In retrospect, I believe it answered the existential question: 'What is the point in spending time in EvE? What is the point in wanting to achieve anything?' To me, it gave meaning to my actions, character direction and general interest in being 'immersive' when engaged in what I view as well-written fiction.
For many players, satisfying the self is important, and roleplaying a character allows a person to experience the imagined 'greatness' of being a capsuleer, 'fame' and 'reputation building'. Effectively, satisfying an ego in a way that cannot be achieved in the real world (this is a trend for many MMORPGs). This is in tandem with the other motivations of playing an online game.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:07:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Do you mean roleplaying as in acting in an internally consistent manner within the game or speaking like you have some kind of impediment?
Forsooth! EVE RP doesn't require you to talk like a renfaire clown.
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
I don't roleplay, and TBH I have at times, found the actions of roleplayers to amusing/irritating. Addressing ppl as "sir" in fleets or going off the deep end about the morality of a suggested activity. But here's the thing, I play EvE so much and find myself SO IMMERSED in it that you could say I am roleplaying myself. The suspension of reality (at times) is so great that while logged in, I forget about the real world and I actually inhabit new Eden.
For me, the depth of this game makes it unnecessary to role play. In fact, the level of immersion is so convincing that roleplaying seems to stick out as amateur and "wooden" which is probably what annoys me about it, but that said, some people may not want to "roleplay themselves" and so adopt a new persona. Perhaps I should cut them more slack, since being an equity card carrying method actor is not a pre req for playing eve, paying a sub is.
It actually sounds like you're a natural RPer. I expect if you had a little more OOC contact with EVE's RP community (through an OOC forum like Backstage, for instance) you'd find yourself having a lot of opinions in common with many people.
Originally by: UVPhoenix2
I don't role-play. My black friends would be disappoint.
I'm black IRL, your excuse is broken! 
Originally by: De'Veldrin
I've been a roleplayer (tabletop and online) for over twenty years.
I do not roleplay in Eve however. I'm not entirely sure why, other than it seems that finding another set of roleplayers in Eve is harder than you might expext, and at this point, I'm too used to logging in and just chatting with my friends and corp mates without the added overhead of roleplaying.
Even if you don't actively RP, you might find a lot of the discussion on the RP community's OOC forums highly entertaining; you're welcome to join in at any time.
Originally by: Abrazzar
There isn't a clear enough definition of what roleplaying constitutes to make roleplaying a enjoyable experience in EVE. There are just seven shades of silly with a lot hurr, durr and blargh.
Speaking of discussions, we recently had a thread about just what RP is in EVE. Ultimately, what constitutes RP as an enjoyable experience is subjective; different strokes for different folks, of course, and there's no real "right" or "wrong" way to roleplay an internet spaceship captain (or anything else, for that matter).
Originally by: Teinyhr
Please don't get hung up on that single line on what I said, though. I personally have trouble immersing myself to the IG-chat as it is now, I understand not all people have the same problem.
I felt the same at first, with all the 'lol' and ascii dong spam. But then I read someone comment that EVE is tens of thousands of years in the future and many of the communications available are even ICly text-based. Characters know how much damage per second their Navy Mega puts out, so they can say DPS. They can say lol in a text-based setting (but in an RP channel where you understand your characters to be out-of-pod and face to face /emote laughs is more appropriate). Basically, the person was saying 'consider the setting before you let the common style of chat on local be too immersion-breaking.
Of course, you may also have meant it in terms of not finding the chat window immersive enough for those 'out-of-pod' roleplay channels, which is understandable as well; just thought I'd share that different perspective on non-RP channels in general with the crowd :)
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
i dabbled in it for a little while, but soon found my expectations of RP (backing up in-game actions with RP) was on a whole different level to much of the RP community (some of whom have somewhat of an elite status as RPers) who, in some cases, viewed PvPers as little more than metagaming griefers.
The best bit is when you have someone who portrays their character as some kind of ruthless assasin, yet would never dare to actually undock their ship and engage in PvP. Maybe I don't 'get' RP, but at that point it just felt like playing pretend in primary school
I dunno, I get far more immersion from actually playing the game. (it is an RPG, after all)
I tend to agree. I enjoy the game's PvP as much as I enjoy the in-character backstory of the games Prime Fiction so it's hard for me to RP my character as respectful of a character who portrays themself as an elite mercenary but has never shown up on a killboard (which I view as IC resources since the killmails are IC generated by CONCORD). So I try to just stay away from that crowd; my RP doesn't touch upon theirs and vice versa and I'm happy that way. I must say, I was actually a little disappointed when you became less visible in the RP crowd... guess now I know why! Would still be interested in having your input on the Backstage OOC Forum, though :)
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Take a look, too, at chatsubo and see why many "famous" "roleplayers" are an embarrassment to others and to the wider playerbase.
Well, chatsubo's not the only game in town for OOC contact among the RP community anymore ;)
Originally by: Space Pinata
You are roleplaying a pilot who is above consequences and treats ships as toys.
...It's hard not to get into that mindset.
Perfectly valid IC mindset, too. Got a thread going about that as well, actually!
Originally by: Orion Cor
Here's my third attempt to respond. Since the forum mechanics squashed the past 30-minute post, I'll have to be brief: I don't role play because I'm unknown. From what I've seen in the forums, only the well known, and therefore longer-playing, characters are involved in role play. I don't hold fast to a single character long enough to develop "a character" who is as famous, intrigueing, and experienced in New Eden as the ones I've seen.
I can't even begin to expain how wrong an assumption that is :o People don't 'become' RP famous until they RP. And not sure what you mean by not holding to a character long - maybe you buy/sell/trade toons in Character Bazaar? At any rate, just play a character that's interesting and fun for you to play and chances are it'll be interesting and fun for people to interact with. Roleplay is not some elite club where you need 5,000 IGS posts and a pre-existing fanclub to get in the door! :D
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:23:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
i dabbled in it for a little while, but soon found my expectations of RP (backing up in-game actions with RP) was on a whole different level to much of the RP community (some of whom have somewhat of an elite status as RPers) who, in some cases, viewed PvPers as little more than metagaming griefers.
The best bit is when you have someone who portrays their character as some kind of ruthless assasin, yet would never dare to actually undock their ship and engage in PvP. Maybe I don't 'get' RP, but at that point it just felt like playing pretend in primary school
I dunno, I get far more immersion from actually playing the game. (it is an RPG, after all)
I tend to agree. I enjoy the game's PvP as much as I enjoy the in-character backstory of the games Prime Fiction so it's hard for me to RP my character as respectful of a character who portrays themself as an elite mercenary but has never shown up on a killboard (which I view as IC resources since the killmails are IC generated by CONCORD). So I try to just stay away from that crowd; my RP doesn't touch upon theirs and vice versa and I'm happy that way. I must say, I was actually a little disappointed when you became less visible in the RP crowd... guess now I know why! Would still be interested in having your input on the Backstage OOC Forum, though :)
Might check it out, especially with Silver running the show Maybe before I was just taking things a little too seriously.
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omgevenmoarfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:33:00 -
[67]
I don't roleplay, I act in game the same as I do out of game. Thing is, when I tried to hold a public speech on how I had brutally murdered a group of people who were my lifelong friends, instead of hailing me as uber 1337, the audience were horrified and the police arrested me. Seriously, what the ****?
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:42:00 -
[68]
I still hate the Caldari. I don't role-play so much as question why everyone didn't choose to be Intaki.
I like to pretend they all just hit the wrong button.
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Dkorg
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:48:00 -
[69]
I don't roleplay.
I'm here for the competition not to play dress up.
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The AEther
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:23:00 -
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In real life we have these people that we call actors. Their job consists of pretending that they are someone else and acting and speaking likewise. Only they do it in front of a camera or on theater stage in front of an audience rather than in front of their computer screens. A few very successful actors earn millions of dollars at Hollywood but most of them do it for free or very low pay just because they enjoy it. To me role playing in an MMO game is really just low-key acting irl.
Why do some people feel inclined to play roles as if they are someone else? No idea - there are probably some studies published somewhere about it but I've read nothing on this matter. It probably has something to do with our propensity to mimic others in social situations and try to widen our scope of experiences in life by thinking what it would be like to be someone or something else. In some people these propensities are simply overexpressed so they devote considerable time and effort to this. That would be my guess.
Most common justification that I heard for rp in EVE is that it lets people fight for something else but money or territory - ideology. They like fighting for an idea or ideal of some kind. It just makes the game more interesting for them than simply occupying more systems or farming up that gist xxl cnr to fly into lvl 4 missions.
Agony Unleashed - zero blues 0.0 pvp, pvp classes |
Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:38:00 -
[71]
Role play is inherent in the activities that the game requires although a player may not develop a personality consistent with the respective races and professions.
With that said, I do not role play in Eve any more than I do when I laugh at my boss' jokes. Actually, my personality in game is truer to myself than my personality at work.
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Musical Fist
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.24 03:07:00 -
[72]
In theory everyone roleplays, at work, at home, on a date, etc
There isnt one personality type for a person and people are different based on environment so everyone roleplays online some just get branded some dont.
Lets look at wars, UK vs CVA how was that any different to SC vs NC, sure UK / CVA will make stories to fit events etc but then so does every other alliance with the prop.
tldr - we all RP everywhere
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.24 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: The AEther
Most common justification that I heard for rp in EVE is that it lets people fight for something else but money or territory - ideology. They like fighting for an idea or ideal of some kind. It just makes the game more interesting for them than simply occupying more systems or farming up that gist xxl cnr to fly into lvl 4 missions.
If I just wanted to play a game about increasing numbers and getting stuff, I'd play Progress Quest. I play EVE and other games to immerse myself in a fictional world.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:59:00 -
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Whatever the **** you're writing this "paper" for, drop it and get a refund now.
****ing garbage.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tonto Auri on 24/04/2010 06:13:40
Originally by: Waxau
Hey all!
Ok! Some of you out there might have read a while ago that i'm writing a paper, and the majority of content is based on Virtual worlds, such as Eve.
To explain simply, some might have heard of how we are all said to be 'performing' at all times. Any social interaction, any posture and so on, can be related to a sense of performing.
My paper is now looking at the extent of performing that identity, but in virtual worlds, where physicality doesnt exist. In essense, all you have is your character to 'perform' through.
So my question today is this:
Do you roleplay? If you do, why? Do you know why ? Or do you just 'click' into that role perhaps? And what does it give you that non-roleplay doesnt?
And if you dont roleplay, why not? Do you feel its 'silly/childish' to roleplay? Or somewhat embarassed? Again again, what does it give you that roleplay doesnt?
Keep in mind here lads, i'm trying to appear academic. In essence, im making it up as i go along! So any answers will be of use!
Thanks in advance all!
Wax
Define "roleplay"?
Is it "A wall of text expressing your feelings ... that kills you before you end typing"? Then it's rather easy to understand the fast simple "no".
Is it "hold to the line of behaviour that suits your taste and current goal"? Then i think the answer is "yes".
Originally by: Kyra Felann
If I just wanted to play a game about increasing numbers and getting stuff, I'd play Progress Quest.
Can we go somewhere private and discuss this topic thoroughly?
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Orion Cor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Orion Cor on 24/04/2010 07:21:05
Originally by: Havohej
I can't even begin to expain how wrong an assumption that is :o People don't 'become' RP famous until they RP. And not sure what you mean by not holding to a character long - maybe you buy/sell/trade toons in Character Bazaar? At any rate, just play a character that's interesting and fun for you to play and chances are it'll be interesting and fun for people to interact with. Roleplay is not some elite club where you need 5,000 IGS posts and a pre-existing fanclub to get in the door! :D
My point is, when I compare my crude attempts at RP to the established threads, I am, for all intents and purposes, ashamed. Why do that which brings one shame? I am not talking about posting IC responses to other peoples threads, but to my attempts at beginning a thread surrounding what ever character I have at the time; developing a backstory and portraying it online.
As far as my running through characters: no, I don't sell characters; I terminate them. I get bored, embarrassed, or a new idea (or return to an old idea) and terminate the character after starting a new, transferring all the isk from the old character to the new, and begin again from scratch. I've done that for over a year, and I've no idea how many characters I've created and terminated. Most last a week or two. The longest one was five or six weeks. This character is stretching that time frame.
FYI: Chatsubo is no longer available.
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Silver Night
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 19:31:00 -
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Chatsubo is available, and there is the new Backstage @ Inspiracy forum. We have a 'character development' section if you want a hand getting your character just how you'd like them to be.
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Athena Silk
void.
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.04.25 02:26:00 -
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Almost everybody roleplays to some extend, even if they don't realise it. You usually don't think of someone in Eve as John Smith from Arizona who has a wife and 2 kids, works a ****ty desk job and plays EVE as an escape, but you rather think of them as Petre Novakov, a Gallente pilot from Syndicate Defense Alliance, who is a mean frigate pilot (names and characters all made up), although this is less common when thinking about corp/alliance mates or other EVE characters who you've known for a while. Any time you refer to an in-game action/item as "mine" (MY ship, MY corp, MY alliance, etc), you're role-playing as your character to some extent.
I don't really role-play much at the moment, but I have in the past, especially when I was in Caldari Militia. Even simple thinks like stealing from jet can miners or ninja salvaging and sending people eve-mails thanking them for their "voluntary" donation to the Caldari State's war efforts. It can be quite fun, and I find in EVE that it is quite easy to RP as a character, without appearing to be a complete douche.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2010.04.25 02:37:00 -
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I play with my roll all the time.
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Promethian child
Amarr
0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.04.25 02:58:00 -
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Would you roleplay a game of chess ?
I play EVE to pop internetz space ships no RP involved.
Also ITT neckbeards
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Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.25 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Trathen
Edited by: Trathen on 23/04/2010 05:38:39
I think it's pretty hard to not roleplay. Unless you start talking about 21st century politics, sports, celebrities, or CCP, you're roleplaying. If you don't read the storyline (guilty), you're just roleplaying an apathetic, focused pod pilot. As mentioned already, it's not like in fantasy MMOs where people feel the need to talk like Shakespeare reject scripts; Pod pilots would likely swear, spell poorly, abbreviate words in text, call themselves idiotic nicknames, act like spoiled children, complain about the effectiveness of missiles, etc.
I find self-proclaimed RPers generally just use the label to excuse themselves from talking like d-bags.
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis
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Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
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Posted - 2010.04.25 11:20:00 -
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RP`ing can be nice. Not in EVE though... it only makes you look nuts.
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Ashar KorAzor
Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:13:00 -
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Talking in a manner that makes you stick out like a sore thumb is not conducive to good roleplaying - especially when you're using crap English to fit in. That 'sir' and 'lady' chum is for newbs unless it's relevant to the situation.
Acting in an internally consistent manner, immersing yourself in the setting, or 'playing a role' (which usually boils down to shoehorning yourself into a specific demographic, ie 0.0 soldier, NAP-fest bear, hisec trader, reaver, you name it) are all things that identify as something other than the kind of roleplaying I'd stack up against the A-material content in EVE. You can call it that if you like, no-one's going to stop you - but the scene that people fail to notice because of the troubling little biases that crop up in the community, the one that drew in a good few thousand players in its heyday, was about something else.
And Waxau - it wasn't really performance so much as it was narration. Roleplay in EVE is quite narrativist or simulationist; the people that use it as their mainstay in the game because it lends novelty to an otherwise shaky and ill-framed set of mechanics, in their view, do it to amuse themselves. One of the best ways of doing so is creating persistant, long-term story arcs shot through with smaller ones, and another involves one-off interactions with thoughtfully created characters.
We have this chaff of ideas espoused on the official forums about what this or that bunch of guys thinks about pretending to be a spaceship captain on the internet is (or what caring about being one looks like), and that's great. I'd suggest that asking the group of people who do it primarily to create entertainment for themselves will be mildly more profitable than anything else if you want to get a real academic sense of where the ends of the continuum lay (in EVE anyway). There's people like me (or Verone, or Evanda Char) at one end who have a good bit of fun trying to create a realistic sense of personal scale and move a fictional character through a semblance of life in it, accounting for the vagaries of metagaming and the out-of-character action of the majority of the playerbase, and there's people like your average player on the other who's read a couple of pieces of background fiction and thought they were cool and then gone on doing whatever took their fancy. In the middle there's folks like the Star Fraction or CVA bunch.
I don't really know how much performance has to do with it. Performance is done for the entertainment of others; the audience is usually a more central factor. I know one of the traditional functions of narrative is also entertainment, and that another is to make sense of what's perceived as the chaotic or nonsensical. Some of the stories people write go a long way towards bridging the gap between the fiction EVE's writing staff's come up with and a living, breathing, verisimilar reality.
Some of the stories people write are also just better yarns than the stuff Abraxas churns out every couple of weeks because he's paid to, so there's some marriage of art and commerce stuff. Except calling roleplay art or contending that it's artsy is for pretentious douche***s. Meritorious art has a place in mainstream social dialogues and societal commentary, whereas roleplay has a place in your house with a few friends and a good lot of beer.
On the whole, the thing about virtual worlds is that there's emergant little cliques in them that occasionally try to segregate themselves or establish greater legitimacy on the basis of their behaviors. None of these are really all that meaningful to roleplay any more than they're meaningful to NRDS/NBSI or Goons-BoB or blocs v. small corps or 0.0/hisec or any of that stuff, because a niche in an MMO is a place to go and be entertained, not be superior.
When I write stories and generate chatlogs that involve my characters, I'm doing it for the lulz, just like you might when you gank a target.
Good luck with your paper.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:18:00 -
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I roleplay being a member of a large alliance with interest in politics, industry and personal skill. When i log in i care about taking out my enemie, making sure my side is doing fine and getting my name on killmails.
About 20 thousand or so roleplay with me in this game of north vs south, most dont know it tho.
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Waxau
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:51:00 -
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A personal thankyou to everyone who has posted so far! All comments have been incredibly interesting, I have to confess.
The key area that i'm focusing on now, due to all your opinions, is the boundary (whether an actual one or not) between 'key' roleplayers, and non-roleplayers. In essence, those who are AWARE and INDENDING to perform, compared to those who are unintentionally performing.
And for those who feel they 'have' a character...how do you 'get into character'? On the stage, there are tools to use, such as improvisation, costume, and a range of practitioners to make use of. Within EVE, all you have is a keyboard, some backstory, and a computer screen. What makes you 'become' your character? Or dont you? And if not, why do you think thats the case?
Again. Thankyou all so much for the replies!
Wax
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Ashar KorAzor
Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ashar KorAzor on 26/04/2010 14:11:21
Originally by: Waxau
The key area that i'm focusing on now, due to all your opinions, is the boundary (whether an actual one or not) between 'key' roleplayers, and non-roleplayers. In essence, those who are AWARE and INDENDING to perform, compared to those who are unintentionally performing.
Again, this sounds like a paper written to fit an analysis centered on the performing arts and performance as a paradigm of some kind. Speaking as someone who has been a bit involved in theater, I'm not sure it's especially useful to put performance before other elements - narrative may be the winner here. The vitality of the roleplay community is maintained by CCP's writers (wretched typo-generators that they are), repositories of fiction, in-character blog networks, and stories we share with each other to a far greater extent than it is upheld by posturing. Take out in-character interaction in the first person and we could still have the roleplay community hold together through fiction; take out the sharing of new and old fiction and there goes everything.
As for boundaries...well, we don't exactly put a wall up. People that don't have the urge to make their characters walk and talk with emote actions and considered dialogue aren't really prevented from starting that one day. The boundary is very soft.
However, groups of people perceived as non-roleplayers can be used as setting elements or referred to as political organizations in-character with little difficulty, though the tone one uses to refer to something he can't interact with is a little different than the tone one uses to speak of Star Fraction or Veto. A capsuleer in a roleplay channel doesn't talk about -A- the way he talks about U'K, though both are acknowledged for their accomplishments because, well, they're part of the virtual world. They're in the setting.
I guess the answer to your question is mainly that the sub-groups are differentiated by intent, records of action, and participation. If you don't talk to me, fly with me, or write with me, you don't roleplay with me; if you don't do these things with proactive roleplayers, you're not a very proactive roleplayer by any metric.
Where the in-character bloggers fit, though, I really couldn't say.
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And for those who feel they 'have' a character...how do you 'get into character'? On the stage, there are tools to use, such as improvisation, costume, and a range of practitioners to make use of. Within EVE, all you have is a keyboard, some backstory, and a computer screen. What makes you 'become' your character? Or dont you? And if not, why do you think thats the case?
Prompts.
They can include the MotD in a channel designated as in-character (which correspond to setting in about the same sense as a set in theater, or to a casting director handing you something out of an established work in a cold reading during auditions). Another prominent category is, well, someone else giving you a prompt - whether ingame in local or on a forum somewhere or in a mail. Either you go somewhere that has a good sense of setting, ingame or otherwise, or someone goes out on a limb and gives someone else a reason to respond in kind.
The lack of something like the old AURORA events team means we have to do all the prodding that gets players in-character ourselves, but it also means that player action gains greater authenticity - there's one less authority to overturn the validity of the little sandcastles we build.
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Syn Callibri
Swag Co.
Sandbox Bullies
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:18:00 -
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Well, I have an image (avatar) of Syn that sits in the upper left hand corner of the screen...until I minmize it. The devs have given us the ability to "tailor" the facial expressions of the avatars, down to the way they tilt thier heads and "look" at people. Personally, I look at Syn's "face" for a moment...consider the backstory (bio) that I've created for her and just slip into character (with no thee and thou, or forsooths in the mix). Since I started playing, Ive created a persona that is Syn...shes tough, smart, a little snarky, kind of naive at times, always looking for a good laugh, etc...It just kinda "happens".
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:09:00 -
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been a rp gamer for ever it seems but in eve not very much rp happens when i'm around. it actually seems to confuse my corpies when i give it a try.
that said i passed a rather amusing hour of RP with of all people some ushra-khan members one night. actually managed to end their war dec on us that evening.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Benri Konpaku
So Tibus, Shakor and Souro enter a Minmatar bar...
lols
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
TerraNovae
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:24:00 -
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I don't roleplay. Because roleplaying in a game where the majority choses to play the same character, that of immature asshat who has nothing better to do than whine and smacktalk.
The few rare occassions I did get into a chat with a roleplayer I will play along because I feel no need to make myself look better because I can behave like a ****** and diminish someone elses playstyle. This mainly because the most ******s act like that because they are like Chimps you try to explain art to. They don't grasp it so they start throwing stuff around. And look even apes throw their own crap around, so this analogy is even better than I first thought of.
So in short. Nope, no roleplay here because your way too dependant on the few interactions with other roleplayers.
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Empress Shai
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 14:24:31
I don't roleplay, and TBH I have at times, found the actions of roleplayers to amusing/irritating. Addressing ppl as "sir" in fleets or going off the deep end about the morality of a suggested activity. But here's the thing, I play EvE so much and find myself SO IMMERSED in it that you could say I am roleplaying myself. The suspension of reality (at times) is so great that while logged in, I forget about the real world and I actually inhabit new Eden.
For me, the depth of this game makes it unnecessary to role play. In fact, the level of immersion is so convincing that roleplaying seems to stick out as amateur and "wooden" which is probably what annoys me about it, but that said, some people may not want to "roleplay themselves" and so adopt a new persona. Perhaps I should cut them more slack, since being an equity card carrying method actor is not a pre req for playing eve, paying a sub is.
The whole time reading your post, I kept looking for ze birdie
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I don't roleplay as the Amarr, well, because i don't want to go off the deep end.
"Roleplay" as in be a fictional self, like be capable of something I would never do IRL, well piracy comes to mind, which I don't do.
But I have (not this toon), and I loved it, got yelled at in local, dude called me a thug, made me so happy to be yelled at. So in a way, you do roleplay, in that you sometimes overstep bounds due to lack of consequences.
Well, concordoken is possible, but it is satisfying to be who you decide to be. IRL, you are... you, good and bad.
In EVE, you can be a scam artist, thief, spy, thug, manufacturer, pirate, hauler, miner, carebear, all in the same day if you have it in you.
You can buy and sell trust, make a name for yourself, and take up space that you choose. IDK,I just enjoy the possibilities.
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:10:00 -
[92]
I role play me flying a spaceship in a universe of foreigners.
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Soriss
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:35:00 -
[93]
Everybody RP's in EVE even if they realise it or not.
The fact that EVE is driven by the same elements of real life makes it easy: Cash/Power/Social Interaction :D
Not gona make a thesis now on how they interlink with each other ... but it's pretty simple. You don't need to act into the backstory to be part of something unless you want it ...
Let's say there's 100k Minmatar Pod pilots .. compared to the Minmatar Eve population it's insignifiant. So it's understandable that only a minority of the Minie player -pilots actually CARE about taking revenge for beeing enslaved and such.
Then you have people that speak a certain language and come from a region on earth (Russians/Germans/etc) and form language based corporations ... They might as well came from a region/planet where's there's a strange language speaking and they naturally were forced to interact with eachother. Same can apply to GOONS :D .. yes goons are roleplayers without actually beeing aware of it :).
Some people say they only play to kill stuff and don't care about RP. Aaa there's a pretty cool RP in killing stuff and keeping score :D. And even then you need a little social interaction with your corpmates or in Jita when you want to buy that faction mod from a trader and barter for a smaller price.
The nice example of ... 'half-jove admiral' that has never led a fleet.... I'm pretty sure that EVE universe has it's share of insane people as well. So he might as well roleplay an insane man .. :P
The silly pirate with the 'hey n00b... you suxors, I'm gonna waste you and your friends' comming out on local (comms) .. seems pretty normal from a mentally instable wannabe pirate that still needs words to make himself known ...
ramble out.
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Antarra Starwind
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Posted - 2010.05.03 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Benri Konpaku
So Tibus, Shakor and Souro enter a Minmatar bar...
And then Karin Midular walks in with a toy slaver under her arm, and the bartender says...
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.05.04 12:19:00 -
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I would love to role play if I had time for it, but I barely have time for EVE now since the work season started.
I don't consider role play "childish" or something that I should be embarrassed for - actors and writers are not, that's for sure. Since you can not "act" in the true sense of that word in a game universe, the only option you have is to write. That's not silly, that's creative.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2010.05.04 13:31:00 -
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Yeah I do a bit. In real life I think I'm quite a nice person but I try not to be in game :)
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