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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.04.24 21:05:00 -
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Hey all, I've recently started up a manufacturing business and the goods I produce en masse as well as the materials themselves tend to get a tad heavy, as I'm sure we've all experienced. I've been using my Charon for heavier loads, but it feels a tad overkill when the cargo I move from place to place only takes up 10% of the actual hold, and it's painfully slow to boot.
I was wondering if there was some middle ground, in terms of maximum cargo hold, between the Iteron Mark V Industrial ship and the Charon. Something, well, in the middle between the two  .
Thank you kindly for your response.
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dischordia
Gallente
wiggle Tech.
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Posted - 2010.04.24 21:25:00 -
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not really but you could use an orca to move stuff 400km3 for assembled ships and then the other cargo for stuff etc
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Driven Marcelli
Minmatar
Evil Overhead
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Driven Marcelli on 24/04/2010 22:14:33
 Originally by: dischordia
not really but you could use an orca to move stuff 400km3 for assembled ships and then the other cargo for stuff etc
well lets review
it has a 50,000m3 ore bay
a bonusable 30,000m3 cargo bay
and a 40,000m3 Ship hanger
a 400km3 hangar and you could park a 2749 titans in it. (1km3 is 1000X1000X1000 or 1,000,000,000m3
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Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Horchan on 24/04/2010 22:43:43
Originally by: Driven Marcelli
well lets review
it has a 50,000m3 ore bay
a bonusable 30,000m3 cargo bay
and a 40,000m3 Corporate hanger
a 400k m3 Ship Maintenance Bay
Fixed that for you.
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.04.24 23:04:00 -
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Although orca is about same speed as a freighter so not really much difference
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Marcus Hague
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Posted - 2010.04.25 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Emporer Norton
Although orca is about same speed as a freighter so not really much difference
Warp speed at 2.7 AU/s is a huge difference over a 0.75 AU/s warp speed of a freighter.
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ScottyDosn'tKnow
Task Force Zener
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 08:16:00 -
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You could say transport ships are in between. Not space wise but still...
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:16:00 -
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Sadly not. It would be a nice niche to fill, if your listening CCP?
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Nodles
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Posted - 2010.04.25 11:25:00 -
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There is a jump freighter which gives you a 350.000m3. It warps like a freighter but it turns a bit faster. The only real downside is its price obviously. |
KobeBeef
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: KobeBeef on 25/04/2010 16:57:19
Originally by: Driven Marcelli
Edited by: Driven Marcelli on 24/04/2010 22:14:33
Originally by: dischordia
not really but you could use an orca to move stuff 400km3 for assembled ships and then the other cargo for stuff etc
well lets review
it has a 50,000m3 ore bay
a bonusable 30,000m3 cargo bay
and a 40,000m3 Ship hanger
a 400km3 hangar and you could park a 2749 titans in it. (1km3 is 1000X1000X1000 or 1,000,000,000m3
He means a 400k m3. Not cubic kilometers.
The orca has 400,000 m3 of room in the ship maintenance array. Not 40,000.
Put on your helmet next time you play eve.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.04.26 00:53:00 -
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I think the Orca is the best one, really. The 30,000 m3 cargo hold gets improved by your skill level in Industrial Command Ships as well as cargo expander modules and rigs. The 40,000 m3 corporate hangar is usable as well, but it's a flat size and doesn't get the benefit of expanders. The 400,000 m3 ship maintenance bay can hold other ships, in which you can store some cargo; it only allows things considered "charges" to be carried inside a ship in the maintenance bay, but if you're moving ammo then it's quite possible to stick a rigged industrial or two blockade runners inside for extra storage.
Yes, it wallows like a pig normally. However, if you sacrifice either one rig slot for an ancillary current router or one low slot for a reaction control unit, it'll give you enough grid to fit a 100MN microwarp drive. Pulse that when starting your align and you'll enter warp in 10 seconds instead of the ~45 it usually takes.
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.04.26 00:57:00 -
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rigged hulk holds 17km3 t1 tigged 18km3 t2 can fit 2 in hold
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.26 03:14:00 -
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+1 to Orca. One of the best isk value ships in eve imo. Favored for small loads I don't want the fun of charon flying. Also nice for smaller high value loads with the corp hangar. Rigged ship carrying a real nice benefit as well if moving friends stuff around.
Also gives lots of support options so get more bang for you isk.
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munitqua
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Posted - 2010.04.26 03:20:00 -
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I was thinking about the same thing, would be nice to have an Iteron Mark VI or VII or seomthing. A fully fitted/rigged Iteron V can take about 38,000m3.
But thats not enough in my opinion. A freighter is too expensive for me now, would be nice to have a hauler in the 100 million range....
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Io Callisto
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:41:00 -
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Only the ORCA, which requires you to train a bunch of useless mining-related skills if you're simply looking to use it as a transport rather than a mining fleet command/support ship.
Sadly, CCP has not seen fit to do the logical thing and deliver a simple, mid-sized hauler based on an ORCA hull... but, rejoice, we still have broken rockets ! !
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Solden Koopjes
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: munitqua
I was thinking about the same thing, would be nice to have an Iteron Mark VI or VII or seomthing. A fully fitted/rigged Iteron V can take about 38,000m3.
But thats not enough in my opinion. A freighter is too expensive for me now, would be nice to have a hauler in the 100 million range....
you could use gsc's to increas that to something right over 50,000m¦
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Vossejongk
Caldari
Bendebeukers
Green Rhino
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Solden Koopjes
Originally by: munitqua
I was thinking about the same thing, would be nice to have an Iteron Mark VI or VII or seomthing. A fully fitted/rigged Iteron V can take about 38,000m3.
But thats not enough in my opinion. A freighter is too expensive for me now, would be nice to have a hauler in the 100 million range....
you could use gsc's to increas that to something right over 50,000m¦
GSC's?
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Retiska
Gallente
Secte Rouge
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:24:00 -
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Giant secure containers, they hold 3.900m3 but only take 3.000 of your cargospace.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Giant_Secure_Container
So in a 38.000m3 Iteron you can hold 12, which multiplied with 3.900
Totals up to 46.8m3.
I'm not 100% sure if you can fill them unanchored though..
And its a pain in the arse to fill and open them all..
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ZeeOhSix
Blackwater Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:53:00 -
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With 3 Medium Cargohold Optimization I's and the lows full of Expanded Cargohold II's in my Itron V, I end up with 38,433 M3. Using GSCs delivers 49,233 M3 total...but as noted, it's a real pain to manage them.
Moving massive amounts of Pye/Tri is where it gets ugly, along with moving manufactured ships. I'm also in kind of that long, dark tea-time of the soul where I can't afford a freighter, but I need to move far more than an Industrial V can handle. It's currently the limiting factor in my manufacturing operations. I've thought about courrier contracts and forming a durable business partnership, but in the end that's all expense that's difficult to manage with relatively thin margins.
I'm currently re-aligning my manufacturing strategy to allow me to run peak production with what the Itron V can support until I can make the ISK for a freighter.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: ZeeOhSix
I've thought about courrier contracts and forming a durable business partnership, but in the end that's all expense that's difficult to manage with relatively thin margins.
Have you tried Red Frog? Join the channel RF Freight. They move any load, up to 860k m^3 volume / 1bn collateral, for 500k + 350k/jump, to anywhere connected high-sec. If you can't afford that, I'd say your business isn't worthwhile.
The vast majority of contracts are delivered in 48 hours, even during wars, and many within hours of being issued.
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ZeeOhSix
Blackwater Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: ZeeOhSix
I've thought about courrier contracts and forming a durable business partnership, but in the end that's all expense that's difficult to manage with relatively thin margins.
Have you tried Red Frog? Join the channel RF Freight. They move any load, up to 860k m^3 volume / 1bn collateral, for 500k + 350k/jump, to anywhere connected high-sec. If you can't afford that, I'd say your business isn't worthwhile.
Thank you, this is very useful. I have tried the open market for courrier contracts and been disappointed more often than not.
Still trying to determine on a day-to-day basis if my business is viable :) I'm at the tipping point of either needing to go "all in" and really focus and grow the operation...or scale it down to a maintenence operation of 100M/week or so and go find other stuff to do. I'm within a few days of Advanced Mass Production IV, and I have decent invention skills. I've toyed with joining an industrial corp...but I don't think I want to industry full-time.
Decisions, Decisions :)
The business of EVE is business!
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.27 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 27/04/2010 03:39:24
Originally by: ZeeOhSix
Thank you, this is very useful. I have tried the open market for courrier contracts and been disappointed more often than not.
Try charging close to what the freighter service charge, might get more bites. Don't know what you offered but if like most contracts I saw, people are rewarding way too low. Why I don't do couriers, not worth the time. If filling up my charon for 75% of my hold for 25 jumps...yeah...1 million ain't cutting it. Better off docked waiting for the next order to come out the ovens for transport and grind lv 3's if wanting to run the freighter alt a bit lol.
Most freighter owners are not starving (most have healthy indy and/or trading businesses) and low value contracts will be wasted money tbh for the contract fees.
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Shuluman
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:13:00 -
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The Orca is one of the most usefull hisec ships in the game.
- With skills, cargo expanders and rigs you can get somethink like 120,000-130,000m3 of cargo space in total (80-90,000m3(ish) normal cargo +40,000m3 of hangar space).
- 50,000m3 of ore space (i think this also can hold minerals or ice)
- 400,000m3 of ship hangar space.
I have found these ships great for logistics when you are grinding standings or moving to another location.
For missions its easy to put a variety of ships (non BS) in the ship hanger. I use mine for moving my L3/4 Tengu as well as a faction cruiser for T1/2 as well as an inty for having to zip off somewhere and a destroyer for salvaging. Saves alot of time running a small fleet of ships over to a new agent that you are going to use for a bit. Also more than enough cargo space to fit some packaged ships in or keep all the nice loot you have picked up from there.
Same goes for miners. Its easy to move a rigged hulk and a few other ships and you are already in your hauler so thats not a problem.
All in all one of the most usefull ships I have come across. Its probably not the best choice for PvP or missioning and isnt a fan of lowsec but for empire its a great ship to have and it doesnt cost a fortune either.
cheers
shuluman
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Enyeto Perah
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Posted - 2010.04.28 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shuluman
The Orca is one of the most usefull hisec ships in the game.
- With skills, cargo expanders and rigs you can get somethink like 120,000-130,000m3 of cargo space in total (80-90,000m3(ish) normal cargo +40,000m3 of hangar space).
- 50,000m3 of ore space (i think this also can hold minerals or ice)
Ice yes, Minerals no! In general: It can hold anything that comes directly from an asteroid.
However, the Orca is really one of the best ship i've flown so far. Damn, sometimes i even use it in missions for in combat rearm+refuel (well haha, but it sounded better with the refuel), also salvaging + tractor (yeah, the Orca has a tractor beam bonus) and warfare modules (though i admit to not have done that) And besides you can make some money by boosing others mining fleets as a service. Takes some training though.
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Sonkut
Minmatar
The Motley Few
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:30:00 -
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Hey,
On this subject, i have heard people use dreadnaughts for transport into null sec, i was looking at this for a while as I wanted some armed heavy transport with jump capability. Can you tell me if this is right and what sort of cargo area they have, i'm guessing it's another corp hanger related one that i can't find on any specs ?
I was considering a blockade runner or stealth cargo ship but they both seem too dangerious or too low space.
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Skyvyr
Caldari
Ascendent.
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Skyvyr on 28/04/2010 18:58:35
Originally by: Sonkut
Hey,
On this subject, i have heard people use dreadnaughts for transport into null sec, i was looking at this for a while as I wanted some armed heavy transport with jump capability. Can you tell me if this is right and what sort of cargo area they have, i'm guessing it's another corp hanger related one that i can't find on any specs?
I was considering a blockade runner or stealth cargo ship but they both seem too dangerious or too low space.
Covops frig / Blockage runners are really good if you have short distances and small amounts to move, for anything further in should jump it if possible. [look up Raging Tarus for 3rd party JF services to low/0.0 npc space, or Red Frog for highsec]
They don't really use dreads, carriers used to be used pretty often before the cargohold nerf. They are still used for moving assembled ships, but generally a Rorq/JF are better for jumping stuff around. Rorq is about 125k m3, JF is 300k+ typically. (Rhea I believe maxes around 366k m3, others are slightly below it)
As OP was originally asking, rigged expanded Orca will carry about 100k m3 reasonably in it's cargohold (ie, not t2 rigged etc)
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