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Kittel
Caldari Quiet.Storm Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.04.28 00:43:00 -
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The exist, can they be released now please. Either seed them or make them acquired some how, preferred not through LP (carebear) store.
That is all
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.04.28 00:56:00 -
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No.
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DreadedTaipan
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Posted - 2010.04.28 06:04:00 -
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No.
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Bimjo
Caldari SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2010.04.28 06:08:00 -
[4]
yes
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.04.28 06:39:00 -
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After people from CCP stating on different occasions they wish they never would have introduced the learning skills at all, and the adjustments made to them a couple of years ago (and the latest thing with the remapping) to mildly encourage you to train LESS of them (just leave'em at "all 4s", at least for a good while)... this wish of yours, OP, will almost certainly not happen. Doesn't matter what you want, doesn't matter what any percentage of EVE player wants, it's _NOT_ going to happen unless CCP wants it to happen. And CCP doesn't. Why ? For a wide variety of reasons, some none of our business. The end.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.28 07:43:00 -
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No. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.28 10:59:00 -
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NO
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Tripoli
XenTech
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Posted - 2010.04.28 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tripoli on 28/04/2010 13:35:53
Yes, please add Elite Learning skills. (Actually, they don't exist. They are entirely my invention.)
I dug these up from the archives...
Originally by: Tripoli Seems there are constantly threads asking about the possibility of adding more learning skills, adding a skill queuing system, or allowing us to train more than one skill at once. I've found those original posts from the developers and they are listed below.
People frequently talk about one of the Devs posting about the possibility of releasing more learning skills, stating they regret adding the advanced learning skills and have no intention of releasing more learning skills. Here is the original post from Oveur.
Oveur's statement: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=298143&page=2#33
Oveur's follow-up statement: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=298143&page=3#81
My position: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=298143&page=5#134
The names of the Elite Learning skills
Payoff time for training the Elite Learning skills to level 5 --- All 392 skills trained.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.28 13:50:00 -
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No. In addition, the ones we already have should be removed. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Riedle
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 13:57:00 -
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NO
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Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.04.28 13:58:00 -
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At the risk of sounding negative, NO!
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:23:00 -
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Nice troll.
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:14:00 -
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No, just leave things as they are. Signed, Pheusia |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tripoli Yes, please add Elite Learning skills.
Tripoli, you are kind of biased when it comes to requests for adding new skills
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Verlaine Glariant
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:34:00 -
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how about no
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:27:00 -
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If you have time to train Elite Learning Skills, then you have nothing left to train.
Learning Skill Payoff Times - The Learning skill from level 4 to level 5: 243-406 Days (varies a lot player to player) - The five Basic learning skills from level 4 to level 5 (assuming Learning 5): 443 Days 11 Hours 41 Munutes & 12 seconds - The five Advanced learning skills from level 4 to level 5 (assuming Learning 5): 3 Years 235 Days 11 Hours 3 Minutes & 38 Seconds ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Mossreach
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:20:00 -
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If you only fly in high/low sec I can see why the repayment time is a valid measure of learning skills usefulness. For those in 0.0 though you could argue that learning skills = "permanent free implants"
Lets say you would normally stop training at 4/4. Going to 5/5 instead allows you to wear 10m isk +3 implants instead of 120m+ +5's. The isk saving is therefore potentially huge in the long term, assuming you get podded regularly and like to always have a set of stat implants plugged in.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:47:00 -
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How stupid can one be? People would not want new skills that allowed them to train faster than before ...
How about a free-sex-skill? Oh no, it would be too simple, wouldn't it?
Bring on elite learning skills, because some will never learn. --
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Kittel
Caldari Quiet.Storm Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.04.29 22:54:00 -
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Originally i was thinking of it for us in 0.0, so we don't have to always have to re implant to get x training time.
While I agree that learning in general shouldn't exist, they do and you can't change it now.
I just think that even with all L4's and +3 or +4 it still takes forever to train anything.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.30 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kittel While I agree that learning in general shouldn't exist, they do and you can't change it now.
CCP is trying to û as soon as they figure out a good way to fix this problem, they'll be gone before you can blink. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Kittel While I agree that learning in general shouldn't exist, they do and you can't change it now.
CCP is trying to û as soon as they figure out a good way to fix this problem, they'll be gone before you can blink.
~citation needed~
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Tripoli
XenTech
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tripoli on 30/04/2010 14:52:56
Originally by: Tippia CCP is trying to û as soon as they figure out a good way to fix this problem, they'll be gone before you can blink.
I would find that upsetting. Many of us (not just crazy folks like myself) actually like that they exist. Personally, I think it adds some realism to the game. Training the Learning skills in EVE is like going to high school or college in real life. You don't have to, but it's a good idea. Adding the Elite Learning skills would be like adding graduate school. Learning itself is a specialization within EVE, and it's my favorite one. You've never seen me so excited about completing a skill as I was when I got to start training the Advanced Learning skills. I'd be quite upset to see the Learning skills go. --- All 392 skills trained.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.30 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis ~citation needed~
Ok ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Naphenia
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Posted - 2010.04.30 17:15:00 -
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Yes, would be great.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.30 23:02:00 -
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I'll have to succumb to peer pressure here, and say a big, fat, NO WAY!
Learning skills were a terrible idea to begin with. Adding more just makes it worse. Those skills give nothing more than a time sink to reduce another time sink. A compounded timesink. Man, they are just wrong on so many levels.
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Naphenia
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Posted - 2010.05.01 02:35:00 -
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Maybe it is just because I am still learning thsi game, but what is wrong with them exactly. I trained mine up to 5/4, and thought it was a good investment inorder to learn my skills faster. If I didn't think it was I would not have trained them. I see nothing wrong with giving people an option to learn faster if they choose to invest the time into learning skills to do such. You do not HAVE to train them afterall. It just works out better if you invest some time into them. I personally chose to max them out, and intend to take them to 5/5 soon.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.05.01 07:32:00 -
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stoicfaux said "If you have time to train Elite Learning Skills, then you have nothing left to train." True in my case and Elite skills would mean when a skill comes out later that I do want or I have a change of mind with current skills and want them I can train much faster than if I didn't have Elite skills. Elite skills would be a large advantage for me.
There are advantages to having Elite and adv5 leaning skills and I would train Elite right away. Payoff times of over a year do not mean you never finished you skill plan faster until a year has gone past.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.05.01 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 01/05/2010 08:31:20
Originally by: Naphenia Maybe it is just because I am still learning thsi game, but what is wrong with them exactly. I trained mine up to 5/4, and thought it was a good investment inorder to learn my skills faster. If I didn't think it was I would not have trained them. I see nothing wrong with giving people an option to learn faster if they choose to invest the time into learning skills to do such. You do not HAVE to train them afterall. It just works out better if you invest some time into them. I personally chose to max them out, and intend to take them to 5/5 soon.
The problem is that some players did not know about the impact of the learning skills, and later felt bad for not having trained them in the first place. This is a problem particularly for young players, who just want to fly a space ship and shoot things. Not everyone in EVE is 20 years or older. So this is seen by some CCP staff as a negative game experience.
The difference in opinion one sees is likely due to people's age. Young players mostly want to have only combat skills, with no learning skills and the fastest learning rate that they can knock out of CCP. Older players do not wish to lose their accomplishments, but enjoy the variety and diversity of EVE - the good and the bad.
The discussion has become controversial, especially because of one CCP staff member, who said that when he started with EVE did he not play the game, but rather played Counter Strike, only to get the learning skills done. While this shows his dislike of the learning skills and gives support to all those who dislike these skills, too, is it felt by others, who have played EVE with dedication from the first day on as an affront. --
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Amateratsu
Caldari The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2010.05.01 11:10:00 -
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At the end of the day CCP have stated that they regret adding the learning skills to the game, So they are never ever gonna give us more learning skills that some players will insist are a must train.
On the other hand i spent several months training all my learning skills to 5 and would be very angry to see those skills and the time i invested in them taken away from me.
I would have no issue if the bonus from the learning skills was removed and 10 pts + 10% added to everyones base attributes with the unseeding of the skills from the game.
Then give those who have trained them the choice of weather to keep the redundant skills or remove them and redistribute the sp trained in them over a period of time via a training speed bonus.
Releasing the +6 and +7 attribute implants would be a far better option than more learning skills á
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.05.01 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Party Scout on 01/05/2010 13:22:51
Originally by: Amateratsu
At the end of the day CCP have stated that they regret adding the learning skills to the game, So they are never ever gonna give us more learning skills that some players will insist are a must train.
On the other hand i spent several months training all my learning skills to 5 and would be very angry to see those skills and the time i invested in them taken away from me.
I would have no issue if the bonus from the learning skills was removed and 10 pts + 10% added to everyones base attributes with the unseeding of the skills from the game.
Then give those who have trained them the choice of weather to keep the redundant skills or remove them and redistribute the sp trained in them over a period of time via a training speed bonus.
Releasing the +6 and +7 attribute implants would be a far better option than more learning skills
How about if they removed the learning skills altogether, and just give the skill points back to the player to assign where he wants to? No skill points lost in that case.
Anyway, I agree it is very controversial precisely due to that. People would be angry if all that time it took me to train them (I have 5/4) was just thrown away.
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