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Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:02:00 - [1] I've created a short survey in order to guage player perceptions of the CSM and whether or not they are actually aware of it. It can be found here: http://bit.ly/CSM-survey. all responses are anonymous and will be collated in about a month for use in an article I'm planning for my blog. Its just a short survey (10 questions) and will only take a couple of minutes to complete so please take the time and fill it out. Mods: in order to get a representative set of results from this survey I would ask that you NOT move this to the CSM section of the forums. I know its CSM related but I'm trying to reach players who may not be aware of the CSM not just those who already know about it. Thank you in advance to all who participate
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:06:00 - [2] I don't even need to do your survey to convey my personal opinion of the csm members when this simple smiley will say all that needs to be said about them:-><- Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
Mr Funkadelic x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:31:00 - [3] or this one
Deus Ex'Machina The-Machine	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:36:00 - [4] Q: Have the CSM members managed to push any issue that would improve your gameplay? A: No, never. Q: Do you think they serve any purpose at all at this time? A: Nope, waste of dev time. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Mr Funkadelic or this one I vote ________________________ Store \| Apply
Captain Mastiff	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina Q: Have the CSM members managed to push any issue that would improve your gameplay? A: No, never. Q: Do you think they serve any purpose at all at this time? A: Nope, waste of dev time. Confirming this is my opinion, as well as.... Q: Does CCP ever listen to CSM? A: No Qa: Does CCP use the CSM to make Eve look like a completely different game to others A: Yes Qb: Does the CSM make Eve a completely different game? A: No
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.04.29 18:25:00 - [7] Hierarchy in EVERYTHING works like this, not just in CCP Eitherway vote cat, she will change the face of CCP forever, as foretold my the Mayans! This is so not my main
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.29 18:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Captain Mastiff Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina Q: Have the CSM members managed to push any issue that would improve your gameplay? A: No, never. Q: Do you think they serve any purpose at all at this time? A: Nope, waste of dev time. Confirming this is my opinion, as well as.... Q: Does CCP ever listen to CSM? A: No Qa: Does CCP use the CSM to make Eve look like a completely different game to others A: Yes Qb: Does the CSM make Eve a completely different game? A: No Originally by: Musical Fist Hierarchy in EVERYTHING works like this, not just in CCP Eitherway vote cat, she will change the face of CCP forever, as foretold my the Mayans! I agree. The csm is an unmitigated hit as far as overall amusement and marketing propaganda are concerned and I seriously doubt ccp will ever get rid of it. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.04.29 18:36:00 - [9] Edited by: Akita T on 29/04/2010 18:36:45 Originally by: Captain Mastiff Q: Have the CSM members managed to push any issue that would improve your gameplay? A: No, never. Do you even KNOW what issues the CSM members managed to push ? Because I have a feeling you don't. Originally by: Captain Mastiff Q: Does CCP ever listen to CSM? A: No Yes, because you are a sentient blob telepathically connected to all CCP employees and you just KNOW they never ever listened to anything the CSM has ever said. In reality, your inability to research facts is just laughable. Yes, the CSM is overhyped, underused and generally not very effective right now... ...but to call it totally and utterly useless is, at best, simply wrong. Reminds me of the people that boycott filling out census forms... and then complain their area doesn't get enough government funding later on, after the census is complete. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.29 18:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T Yes, because you are a sentient blob telepathically connected to all CCP employees and you just KNOW they never ever listened to anything the CSM has ever said. The csm is the mouthpiece of the blob so if ccp actually impliments something put forward by them then it was actually the blob that ccp listened to. Also the csm has never ever and will never ever get ccp to do something that it doesn't want to do. So in effect anything that the csm acomplishes is simply something that ccp was going to do anyways and decided now would be a great time to do it so hey lets give them the sense that they actually had any real influance over getting it implimented. Win/Win for ccp. Originally by: Akita T Yes, the CSM reps _will_always_ be generally overhyped, underused and not very effective... Fixed. Originally by: Akita T ...but to call it totally and utterly useless is, at best, simply wrong. The csm process as a whole is very usable and quite effective. But that is mostly due to the fact that anyone can be a csm rep by simply making and posting a well thought out initiative in the Assembly Hall and getting sufficient well thought out replies supporting it. Devs browse the threads and mark most as crap and the good ones for consideration for deployment. Function served without a single elected rep needed at any level of the process. The csm election and its elected members are simply here for our amusement along with providing content for ccp's marketing weasles and nothing moar. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.04.29 18:55:00 - [11] hi cat here see if you can guess which response is mine lol x My Facebook! \| Safety Dance
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:01:00 - [12] I am totally voting for cat. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:07:00 - [13] Edited by: Akita T on 29/04/2010 19:11:08 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Akita T ...but to call it totally and utterly useless is, at best, simply wrong. The csm process as a whole is very usable and quite effective. But that is mostly due to the fact that anyone can be a csm rep[...] The csm election and its elected members are simply here for our amusement along with providing content for ccp's marketing weasles and nothing moar. That is sadly something we can almost completely agree on, at least so far P.S. But then again, isn't that usually the case with real elected officials too ? _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:08:00 - [14] Vote for Abraham Stain! If enough people vote for Ab. Stain to surpass the combined total votes of the candidates, CCP will be forced to admit that something is wrong in the way the CSM is implemented right now. If you care and don't like it, vote Ab.Stain. --------
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:12:00 - [15]
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:12:00 - [16] what, you're telling me the CSM is more than a publicity stunt or popularity contest? - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:24:00 - [17] Edited by: Zeba on 29/04/2010 19:25:08 Originally by: Rawr Cristina what, you're telling me the CSM is more than a publicity stunt or popularity contest? The CSM is serious buisiness! Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:27:00 - [18] CSM are just the lobbyists of the large alliances and not representatives of the players at large.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Wyke Mossari CSM are just the lobbyists of the large alliances and not representatives of the players at large. I disagree, there have been CSM members who haven't been in alliances. In-fact some people lose votes because they are in large alliances at times. Vote Cat!
Issler Dainze Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Wyke Mossari CSM are just the lobbyists of the large alliances and not representatives of the players at large. My whole campaign is based on representing the players at large, particularly small corps and solo types so some of us are not just large alliance lobbyist. If you want a CSM that really thinks the average player is under represented I hope you'll learn more about my postitions as a CSM candidate and consider giving me your support. Issler Dainze
Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:41:00 - [21] Yeah I noticed that one Cat, Mazzilu's as well. To everyone else If you want your opinions to be included in the results of the survey. FILL IT OUT. This isn't a CCP survey, its completely independent. I'm trying to get an idea of what players really think of the CSM, and whether it is justified or not. This is not about whether you got your pet issue through the process, but about the process and institution itself.
Deus Ex'Machina The-Machine	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: Wyke Mossari CSM are just the lobbyists of the large alliances and not representatives of the players at large. I disagree, there have been CSM members who haven't been in alliances. In-fact some people lose votes because they are in large alliances at times. Vote Cat! Oh look, that one is not a large alliance rep Get off your high horse, if there's a way of ever making CSM even remotely effective it would probably start by removing all current CSM members and holding in game elections based on region of residence (high/low/null/w-space). I don't really care for the 0.0 politics / exploit / macro fest, "low sec" what security ?, or w-space. Again, I have not seen any subjects pushed, relevant to the gameplay of my friends and myself. Ever. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
scunner funk Minmatar Connoisseurs Of Hallucination	Posted - 2010.04.29 20:15:00 - [23] Edited by: scunner funk on 29/04/2010 20:15:39 Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina Q: Have the CSM members managed to push any issue that would improve your gameplay? A: Yes, quite a few Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina Q: Do you think they serve any purpose at all at this time? A: No because CCP won't provide the resources to implement any of the issues pushed for by the CSM. I think CCP looks at the CSM in the same way a student looks at a large pile of washing up: A nasty mess that's easier to ignore than clean up.
Syn Callibri Minmatar Swag Co. Sandbox Bullies	Posted - 2010.04.29 20:34:00 - [24] I think this will cover most of the opinions here... ...just sayin. "...to battle with monsters, I am a monster myself...as I gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into me."
Deus Ex'Machina The-Machine	Posted - 2010.04.29 20:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Rokkit Kween This is not about whether you got your pet issue through the process, but about the process and institution itself. Don't you think there's a problem with this system, when there's no chance in hell some issues will ever be pushed mainly due to the fact that certain in game minorities, that have plenty of CSM activists, may be appalled by them? If the "institution" selects it's members via the forum only, how does the "institution" and the changes it may try to bring reflect the game? In my eyes, it is about whether an issue gets pushed or not, because currently this system prevents some issues from ever being brought up. Be it due to RMT or some other nefarious reasons, the CSM will never reflect the general consensus of the masses in it's current form. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.04.29 21:17:00 - [26] I think CSMs are pretty much brainwashed into to understanding what the devs are focused on and quickly lose track of issues that most players care about. And a few just want want to talk about being hard core and how care bears suck. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Avalloc GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.04.29 22:07:00 - [27] Edited by: Avalloc on 29/04/2010 22:07:42 Quite a few of us running for CSM listen to and welcome player feedback. I encourage people to contact me in-game or via my web site if they want me to help represent their requests. http://www.avalloc.net
Teinyhr Minmatar Nor'akho Matar	Posted - 2010.04.30 00:17:00 - [28] The majority are people who you will not be seeing ITT: People who are actually pretty happy or couldn't care less. ------------------- This is Sig. Launch every Sig. For Great Justice.
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.30 01:34:00 - [29] You sure doesn't cover it? Or, in the case of Lark,
Capt Fossil Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.30 01:56:00 - [30] I have never voted for anyone for CSM. This time I WILL vote for Cat just so she can go to Iceland and eat all that rotten shark and get totally euthenized by the Volcano..... and the logs will show NOTHING! PS: Surveys are GAY.
Kallieah The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.30 02:22:00 - [31] Edited by: Kallieah on 30/04/2010 02:22:16 The CSM is really a mechanism that's intented to build trust between the player community and the developers. This sort of describes the situation that gave rise to the CSM. Regardless of the CSM's origins, I think it's a valuable asset that has the potential to be used for the greater good of all. And any potential improvements are, I think, worth our attention and support. Edit: Top of the page! Wheee! Support EVE's future: Vote Cat o'Ninetails for CSM!
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.30 02:22:00 - [32] dude if cat wins csm we'll be flying ships with fukin hello kitty stickers and glitter on them.
Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.04.30 02:45:00 - [33] Due to the nature of the survey provider I'm using I'm limited in the number of responses I can recieve to one survey. I will therefore be updating the links in the original post to another identical survey once that limit is reached. If you find that you are not able to fill out the survey come back later and try again. I will be posting again once I update the link. Thank you to everyone who has taken part so far, tell your friends, enemies, targets, family, pets etc. and get them to fill out the survey as well. the more people who participate the more representative the results will be.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The 8th Order	Posted - 2010.04.30 03:12:00 - [34] I filled out the survey. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
DarkSchneider666	Posted - 2010.04.30 03:17:00 - [35] Its just propaganda to fool players into thinking that CCP actually cares or listens. There is only one way to get CCP to do something and I believe is to coerce CCP by financial means and by media. The way to do this is to make Blogs and popular sites about the great flaws of CCP of how they don't listen or how they botch up things with little communication with players. Make strong and critical reviews pointing out the flaws of the game. I pretty sure we can bribe a few sites like IGN or Gamespot to make a new review that gives harsh criticism and lowers EVE's reputation. With enough influence the blogs will discourage people, especially new, from considering subscription for CCP. When the flow of new players goes down and when people start leaving, CCP will most likely have no choice but to listen to the players in order to retain their subscription. We shall turn their means of marketing against them, we must organize and force them to listen to us.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.04.30 03:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Trader20 dude if cat wins csm we'll be flying ships with fukin hello kitty stickers and glitter on them. damn straight. though i may be forced to eat rotten whale. not sure its worth it lol x My Facebook! \| Safety Dance
Deus Ex'Machina The-Machine	Posted - 2010.04.30 03:35:00 - [37] Originally by: DarkSchneider666 Its just propaganda to fool players into thinking that CCP actually cares or listens. There is only one way to get CCP to do something and I believe is to coerce CCP by financial means and by media. The way to do this is to make Blogs and popular sites about the great flaws of CCP of how they don't listen or how they botch up things with little communication with players. Make strong and critical reviews pointing out the flaws of the game. I pretty sure we can bribe a few sites like IGN or Gamespot to make a new review that gives harsh criticism and lowers EVE's reputation. With enough influence the blogs will discourage people, especially new, from considering subscription for CCP. When the flow of new players goes down and when people start leaving, CCP will most likely have no choice but to listen to the players in order to retain their subscription. We shall turn their means of marketing against them, we must organize and force them to listen to us. And how are you going to "bribe" sites like Gamespot to change their reviews? Don't get me wrong, CCP needs a good kick in the kittens since IMO they've been focusing far too much on eye candy for the past 4 years. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.30 04:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Avalloc Quite a few of us running for CSM listen to and welcome player feedback. I encourage people to contact me in-game or via my web site if they want me to help represent their requests. Of what possible use would you personally be to a player wanting to make a thread in the Assembly Hall? The devs can read and decide for themselves if any intitiatives there are worth development time far easier than waiting for you guys to fumble through the minutes trying to figure out what to spin first. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
Avalloc GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.04.30 07:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Avalloc Quite a few of us running for CSM listen to and welcome player feedback. I encourage people to contact me in-game or via my web site if they want me to help represent their requests. Of what possible use would you personally be to a player wanting to make a thread in the Assembly Hall? The devs can read and decide for themselves if any intitiatives there are worth development time far easier than waiting for you guys to fumble through the minutes trying to figure out what to spin first. A huge use, actually. The devs created the CSM to help filter all of the feedback coming from the players. It allows for things to be prioritized and when an issue gets majority favor from a CSM vote there is real face time devoted to the topic when we travel to Iceland. So, engage us with your ideas and proposals. Evemail us, convo us in-game, and use email if we've got one published. If you were shrugged off or ignore by a CSM then come to me and I'll hear your comments/complaints.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.30 14:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Avalloc Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Avalloc Quite a few of us running for CSM listen to and welcome player feedback. I encourage people to contact me in-game or via my web site if they want me to help represent their requests. Of what possible use would you personally be to a player wanting to make a thread in the Assembly Hall? The devs can read and decide for themselves if any intitiatives there are worth development time far easier than waiting for you guys to fumble through the minutes trying to figure out what to spin first. A huge use, actually. The devs created the CSM to help filter all of the feedback coming from the players. It allows for things to be prioritized and when an issue gets majority favor from a CSM vote there is real face time devoted to the topic when we travel to Iceland. So, engage us with your ideas and proposals. Evemail us, convo us in-game, and use email if we've got one published. If you were shrugged off or ignore by a CSM then come to me and I'll hear your comments/complaints. You really believe that, don't you. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Jill Xelitras Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.04.30 14:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Trader20 dude if cat wins csm we'll be flying ships with fukin hello kitty stickers and glitter on them. I don't think so, but I sure hope so !
Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.04.30 15:04:00 - [42] I've reached the 100 response limit on the survey but have created an identical one (minus the spelling mistake :P) And updated the link in the first post. Thank you to all who have responded so far.
Mey Alman Jonferson Space Dynamics Division	Posted - 2010.04.30 15:16:00 - [43] CSMs are only players, and as nobody is fully objective they may act for their own benefit (even unintentionally). What we need are developers or employees of CCP roaming the forums with insight to the developing process and statistical numbers. So get rid of the CSM systems and get official CMs and developer to the Forums. For one time you can copy something good from wow (yes i dare to spell it out World of Warcraft, now go and run away screaming). They have a solid Base of CMs and even people deeply involved in developing (Ghostcrawler e.g.) talking to the people and reading their ideas. I know that the DevBlog should accomplish something like that, but its very noninteractive and rarely responds to further questions.
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.30 15:18:00 - [44] Edited by: Gunnanmon on 30/04/2010 15:19:54 Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina Q: Have the CSM members managed to push any issue that would improve your gameplay? A: No, never. Q: Do you think they serve any purpose at all at this time? A: Nope, waste of dev time. I have 2 thoughts on them. 1. Utterly. 2. Useless. Edit - Much like the Assembly Hall sub-forum. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.30 15:30:00 - [45] Originally by: Mey Alman CSMs are only players, and as nobody is fully objective they may act for their own benefit (even unintentionally). What we need are developers or employees of CCP roaming the forums with insight to the developing process and statistical numbers. So get rid of the CSM systems and get official CMs and developer to the Forums. For one time you can copy something good from wow (yes i dare to spell it out World of Warcraft, now go and run away screaming). They have a solid Base of CMs and even people deeply involved in developing (Ghostcrawler e.g.) talking to the people and reading their ideas. I know that the DevBlog should accomplish something like that, but its very noninteractive and rarely responds to further questions. coughAssembly Hallcough You poast. Devs read. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Mey Alman Jonferson Space Dynamics Division	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:02:00 - [46] Originally by: Zeba coughAssembly Hallcough You poast. Devs read. Yea they reply about in 1 of 200 cases.
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:03:00 - [47] The CSM? isn't that a mechanism for Ankh and "its" cronies to push through anti-caldari changes and for the Piewats to block changes to insurance for concord kills? BTW, voting for cat? lol I tend to give men wiftehghey who troll the forums for fresh meat trying to convince that they are 16 y/old girls named Catherine that plays eve when she is grounded. That way leads to young boys being handcuffed to Jakes beds to fulfil "Cats" delight. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Bevil Smyth Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:05:00 - [48] I'm all for the CSM, think of it this way: - Does it cost you anything? No - Does it give you something interesting to winge about on the forums? Yes - Do they generate good publicity for a game we all love? Yes - Does even the remotest of chances of them influencing somthing for the better at CCP towers given the first 3 points make them worth it? Yes - Have they actually influenced things for the better at CCP even in a small way? Yes (do some research) I'l be voting, although not for cat (sorry cat im sure your very nice but youl get in easily anyway cos everyone loves you even though your a man). ============================ 2003 and still alive!
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:07:00 - [49] Originally by: Mey Alman Originally by: Zeba coughAssembly Hallcough You poast. Devs read. Yea they reply about in 1 of 200 cases. Well as an avid reader of the assembly hall that sounds about like the correct preportion of crap threads vs genuinely useful ones. Besides of what use is dev feedback anyways past a 'hey thats a great idea and will be considered for a future expansion' response? It's your idea after all and you are the one who needs to refine it and gather support, not the devs. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Mey Alman Jonferson Space Dynamics Division	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:22:00 - [50] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Mey Alman Originally by: Zeba coughAssembly Hallcough You poast. Devs read. Yea they reply about in 1 of 200 cases. Well as an avid reader of the assembly hall that sounds about like the correct preportion of crap threads vs genuinely useful ones. Besides of what use is dev feedback anyways past a 'hey thats a great idea and will be considered for a future expansion' response? It's your idea after all and you are the one who needs to refine it and gather support, not the devs. Well for example a "thats the crappiest idea I've ever read" dev response ;) would make it easy to refer future similar/identical ideas to this quote^^
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:26:00 - [51] Originally by: Mey Alman Well for example a "thats the crappiest idea I've ever read" dev response ;) would make it easy to refer future similar/identical ideas to this quote^^ Yes because devs officially calling you an idiot is good for the game. Besides there are always dev alts to use instead. So I would say that there is plenty of indication that an idea is totally wack from the replys in moast threads. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Legs Mackenzie	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:31:00 - [52] trust a goons signature to break the forums
Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.04.30 17:12:00 - [53] Edited by: Rokkit Kween on 30/04/2010 17:14:10 Would everyone please note that trying to promote your chosen representative in the comments sections of the survey will not gain you anything. I'm not voting, and as I'm the only one who's going to be reading the results until the election is over it's a waste of effort, when you could be adding something to the discussion instead. I will be publishing the article I have planned and all the data I've collected once the election is over, so as not to adversely influence the results. As such I will be keeping the survey open until the polls close on May 19th. Much like the election itself, you can't complain that your views are not represented in the results unless you actually make your views known.
Deus Ex'Machina The-Machine	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Rokkit Kween Much like the election itself, you can't complain that your views are not represented in the results unless you actually make your views known. How can one "convince" large exploit-macro-RMT alliance representatives to push issues like the removal of alts, alt accounts, one click activities (mining), parts of the game being dependent on alts to be removed (limited npc copy/prod slots, capital ship jumpingWTFALTS), and all other forms of metagaming etc etc etc ... deep breath ... when their raison d'Otre is just to facilitate RMT and maintain the status quo on the above? Disbanding the cesspool that is CSM and holding in game elections via in game means like the currently pointless banners near stargates or evemail and limiting the potential candidates to regions of activity(0.0, low, high, w) + areas of activity (piracy, troll, mining etc) would be a first step in the right direction. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
Daemonspirit Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:27:00 - [55] Did the survey - Don't agree with all the naysayers. Some of the responses here remind me of why I hate most people. ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
I SoStoned Caldari	Posted - 2010.04.30 19:01:00 - [56] To sum it up... meh Sooooooooo much has been brought up by the CSM councils, some of it laughably simple (like changing the timer on this damnable forum), but all CCP has said: We'll look into it. Haven't budged, problems are still there. So, not particularly impressed. --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: groans Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up!
Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.05.03 10:09:00 - [57] The survey is still open.
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.03 10:23:00 - [58] My thoughts, 1) is the CSM a Public relations excercise i hear mention - my answer oh yes 2) Is the CSM a soap box for the larger Eve entities - Oh yes yes 3) Can the game benefit from CSM's - yes i believe it can, attracting a larger player base (advertising), humour and hope that one day CCP will actually 'actively' listen 4) When the time arrives that players will actually vote 'en masse' rather than be bribed to vote ie get free stuff and vote for me, or at fanfests get free kisses etc i may actually take a interest in it, rather than a cursory glance through the assembly hall
Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.05.03 12:17:00 - [59] Did you put that in the survey? If you did: \o/ In not: go, do it now.
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.03 12:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Rokkit Kween Did you put that in the survey? If you did: \o/ In not: go, do it now. Yep i did
Kara Sharalien	Posted - 2010.05.04 00:02:00 - [61] I've never seen the CSM get something INTO the game, but once or twice I have seen the block CCP from doing silly things. That serves a purpose, I guess. Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.05.08 11:52:00 - [62] Edited by: Rokkit Kween on 08/05/2010 11:52:13 Just a reminder that this survey ios still open to submissions and will remain so until the CSM polls close. I've been looking through the results so far and though the sample size is quite small some definite trends are showing up. The full set of results will be published once I've had time to collate and organise them (there will be charts!) If the link in the OP stops working, please use this one: http://bit.ly/CSM-survey and let me know in this thread and I'll update the link in the OP.
Thaddeus Morheim	Posted - 2010.05.08 12:48:00 - [63] Edited by: Thaddeus Morheim on 08/05/2010 12:49:59 Done and done and Deep Purple. By the way there should have been a "0" option for the question about how many advertisements outside of EVE you have seen for the CSM elections. I just put 1 or 2 instead. - Hey I'm Thaddeus, I guess you're <insert your name here>.
Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.05.08 13:18:00 - [64] The link in the OP has been updated. Thats 200 responses so far. Keep 'em coming.

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