Originally by: FISHANDCHIPS

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Or you become smarter quit crying yourself and don't get ganked in the first place.

Not going AFK on gates

Don't use auto-pilot

Warping to 0

When trailing fitting I-Stabs and nanos so you get into warp some time this century(Im going to guess your crying about getting your hauler ganked just because its got a billion cargo expanders doesn't mean its a good hauler)

Fitting a buffer tank (on a normal ship you will prolly survive on indys it'll buy you some time)

At least fit a damage control

Fit a clock if you do go AFK and when you do first warp to a planet or moon

So there's a few dozen good things you could do instead but no doubt you will just cry and whine about me obviously being another ganker.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane
they shouldnt be getting away with it at all in High Sec and profiting from it.[/quote

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Why not?

Originally by: Hebby

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Why not?

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Originally by: Hebby

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Edited by: Hebby on 04/05/2010 14:15:41

Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane
they shouldnt be getting away with it at all in High Sec and profiting from it.[/quote

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Why not?

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Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system, allowing them to attack someone in Empire space without fear of any major repercussions or losses and in fact making a profit when piracy in Empire Space should be exactly the opposite...EXTREMELY COSTLY!

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Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system, allowing them to attack someone in Empire space without fear of any major repercussions or losses and in fact making a profit when piracy in Empire Space should be exactly the opposite...EXTREMELY COSTLY!

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Originally by: Dodgy Past

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Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system, allowing them to attack someone in Empire space without fear of any major repercussions or losses and in fact making a profit when piracy in Empire Space should be exactly the opposite...EXTREMELY COSTLY!

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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington

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Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system, allowing them to attack someone in Empire space without fear of any major repercussions or losses and in fact making a profit when piracy in Empire Space should be exactly the opposite...EXTREMELY COSTLY!

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Empire space is safeR, not safe.
It's really not hard to avoid getting suicide ganked if you're not an idiot. If you're autopiloting 1bil worth of stuff round in a cargo expanded Iteron V then you've got it coming, it's as simple as that.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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in order to stop this from happening

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Originally by: darius mclever

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1. if it would be an exploit CCP would ban it. as all suicide gankers i saw, are still playing. -> not an exploit
2. insurance gets nerfed in tyrannis already

1/10 for the troll though

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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And Im not a troll. Typical response from someone that doesnt agree with something a poster has said, but doesnt have the wherewithal to defend the opposite position that he holds.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/05/2010 14:58:15

Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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And Im not a troll. Typical response from someone that doesnt agree with something a poster has said, but doesnt have the wherewithal to defend the opposite position that he holds.

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Defend? Position? You say that as if there is an actual argument to be had here. You implied that an intended game mechanic is an exploit, or something which is aimed to be prevented. There are no positions to defend, you are simply wrong.

Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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So, Im a troll for bringing up something and suggesting a solution? What a wonderful community we have here.

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You are a troll for beating a dead horse and for suggesting something which you personally dislike as a problem with the game.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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No...what I said was that an intended game mechanic is BEING exploited.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/05/2010 15:12:28

Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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No...what I said was that an intended game mechanic is BEING exploited.

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First of all, 'exploit' and its derivatives have only one common use in regards to games.

Secondly, even the second meaning has a negative connotation which is not appropriate. Why not simply say this mechanic is being 'used' rather than 'exploited'?

Third, what you originally said was:

Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Might not have read like that though I admit.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Might not have read like that though I admit.

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It didn't. As I said, in this context, calling something an exploit only has one meaning.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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I think that, in order to stop this from happening, we have to make it so that its unprofitable.

The simplest way to do this is to have insurance premiums or, and escalating slider scale where each claim you make is twice as expensive as the previously taken claim. Now, this price can go down over a certain amount of time, but on the whole, each claim is twice that of the previous one thus taking away the profits of the suicide gankers, making suicide ganking a total loss.

Or...just get rid of insurance all together and watch the Suicide Gankers cry like babies. :P

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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington

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Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system, allowing them to attack someone in Empire space without fear of any major repercussions or losses and in fact making a profit when piracy in Empire Space should be exactly the opposite...EXTREMELY COSTLY!

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Empire space is safeR, not safe.
It's really not hard to avoid getting suicide ganked if you're not an idiot. If you're autopiloting 1bil worth of stuff round in a cargo expanded Iteron V then you've got it coming, it's as simple as that.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Originally by: Torothanax

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And if you manually pilot an empty freighter that gets ganked? Couple people I know had this happen, even with someone scouting. They'll pop a freighter and some haulers just for a killmail.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/05/2010 15:51:07

Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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An exploit is an exploit. Stop trying to weasel your way out of the misuse of a word with very specific connotations.

Originally by: Torothanax

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And if you manually pilot an empty freighter that gets ganked? Couple people I know had this happen, even with someone scouting. They'll pop a freighter and some haulers just for a killmail.

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Game mechanics and balancing will never stop people doing things for the lulz.

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Your misunderstanding of the terms that the word can relate to isnt my weaseling out of it. You...are quite clearly a Suicide Ganker as regardless of the logic of the argument, you will plug your ears with your fingers and go, "lalalalalalalala....not listening." So...I wont attempt to explain any more to you the difference in their meanings. Enjoy the insurance nerf...Ill be sure to look out for you getting poded.

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Originally by: Atrei Capital

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Your misunderstanding of the terms that the word can relate to isnt my weaseling out of it. You...are quite clearly a Suicide Ganker as regardless of the logic of the argument, you will plug your ears with your fingers and go, "lalalalalalalala....not listening." So...I wont attempt to explain any more to you the difference in their meanings. Enjoy the insurance nerf...Ill be sure to look out for you getting poded.

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Your opinion makes you a murderer.

If you deny this you simply don't understand the context in which I am using the word murderer.

If you call BS on me accusing you of being a murderer, and saying "I didn't mean that kind, only some other, undefined kind that lets me use charged words", you are clearly just one of those things I dislike and that proves me point.

Please, post with your main?

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This is my main. This is my ONLY account and this is my only character. Ive been playing the game now for a little over a week. Why?

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Originally by: Atrei Capital

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This is my main. This is my ONLY account and this is my only character. Ive been playing the game now for a little over a week. Why?

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And yet you feel you have the knowledge of the game required to suggest changes?

You have no experience with suicide ganking and thus your opinions are nothing but hot air.

Go back to WoW, please, for your sake and the rest of ours.

Alternatively: Drop the charade. Post with your main.

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Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in.

Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck.

This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Also...just because I am new to the game, doesnt make my opinion any more or less valid than your own.

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Originally by: Atrei Capital

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Yes, yes it does. It'd be like me taking a single lesson of correspondence medical classes, and then trying to argue with a trained surgeon about how an operation should be done.

If you don't know what your talking about, then no, your opinion is not valid or equal.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are new and think suicide ganking is actually unintended.

http://wiki.eve-online.com/en/wiki/Attacked_in_Secure_Space

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Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in.

Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck.

This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.

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I'm not sure if this page still shows in the new players FAQ or not. It did when I joined. Suicide ganking is intended, always was intended, and is absolutely not an exploit.

Balance arguments? Sure. But you're not making any. You don't have the info to make any.

tl;dr: Playing EVE for a week and deciding that the game should be changed to suit your tastes is at best horribly ignorant, and at worst unforgivably self centered. Learn the game before you start commenting...

And then people might just respect your opinion.

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