Originally by: DXYOC

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Scaning just gives intel just as scoting the gate before....

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Originally by: DXYOC

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I don't think they do , bet they ignore every thread wich adreses to "issues" like Suicide Ganking and Ninja Slavaging.I don't blame them for that.

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Originally by: DuKackBoon

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You still don't get it, do you? There actually is no issue, so don't try to fix it, the T1 insurance nerf/T2 insurance buff should be enought.

And even without insurance, suicide ganking would continue as normal.

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Originally by: DuKackBoon

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CCP's opinion is that Suicide ganking is a intended game mechanic, one that works. In the eyes of CCP, there is no issue, else they'd do something about it, beside nerfing insurance.

The game rewards those who put themselves at risk, and loosing the ship + fit is putting oneself at risk, wether the insurance covers it or not. It is less rewarding for lazy miners.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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enormous profits that they are with little to no risk

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Actually, you are both right and wrong. While CCP doesnt have anything against suicide ganking persay, suicide gankers are not supposed to be making the enormous profits that they are with little to no risk to themselves. The CSMs have bought the issue up with CCP and guess what, they are talking about measures to make it LESS profitable and much more costly. This post here should clear it up: HERE

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Actually, you are both right and wrong. While CCP doesnt have anything against suicide ganking persay, suicide gankers are not supposed to be making the enormous profits that they are with little to no risk to themselves. The CSMs have bought the issue up with CCP and guess what, they are talking about measures to make it LESS profitable and much more costly. This post here should clear it up: HERE

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Originally by: DXYOC

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, do you think hasen't noticed you but cares?

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• Ankhesentapemkah [3]

Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Edited by: Aratuss Thelbane on 08/05/2010 01:43:01

Originally by: DuKackBoon

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CCP's opinion is that Suicide ganking is a intended game mechanic, one that works. In the eyes of CCP, there is no issue, else they'd do something about it, beside nerfing insurance.

The game rewards those who put themselves at risk, and loosing the ship + fit is putting oneself at risk, wether the insurance covers it or not. It is less rewarding for lazy miners.

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Actually, you are both right and wrong. While CCP doesnt have anything against suicide ganking persay, suicide gankers are not supposed to be making the enormous profits that they are with little to no risk to themselves. The CSMs have bought the issue up with CCP and guess what, they are talking about measures to make it LESS profitable and much more costly. This post here should clear it up: HERE

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Originally by: Party Scout

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Good to hear. At least it is under discussion. Good enough for me.

Cheers.

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Originally by: CSM Summit Minutes

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The CSM brought up the issue of suicide ganking and feels it is too easy. The main problem is that this is in effect subsidized by insurance. CCP is aware of the issue and has discussed it at great length in-house. CCP feels it absolutely needs to compensate newbies that attack players by mistake in high-sec. This may get changed in the future but not in the summer expansion. It was made clear that suicide ganking is an accepted game mechanic.

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Originally by: Mag's

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Originally by: Party Scout

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Good to hear. At least it is under discussion. Good enough for me.

Cheers.

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Originally by: CSM Summit Minutes

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The CSM brought up the issue of suicide ganking and feels it is too easy. The main problem is that this is in effect subsidized by insurance. CCP is aware of the issue and has discussed it at great length in-house. CCP feels it absolutely needs to compensate newbies that attack players by mistake in high-sec. This may get changed in the future but not in the summer expansion. It was made clear that suicide ganking is an accepted game mechanic.

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Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Originally by: Arom Wraelt

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Originally by: N0N

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Originally by: Arom Wraelt

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There should be a mod that negates cargo scanning!

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Yea cause lets face it, there's nothing out there like that now.

Fake edit: Oh apart from the covert cloak on a BR.

Second fake edit: oh and using the corp hanger and ship maintenance bay in an Orca.

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LOL

There are ways around it... but it seems like thinking is overrated, and whining for the Game Designers to "fix" stuff (that is not broken) for you is the way to go...

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Originally by: Party Scout

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That's cool too :P As long as they are aware of it. It says they cannot fix it now, but are aware of it. Good enough for me.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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Originally by: FISHANDCHIPS

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Or you become smarter quit crying yourself and don't get ganked in the first place.

Not going AFK on gates

Don't use auto-pilot

Warping to 0

When trailing fitting I-Stabs and nanos so you get into warp some time this century(Im going to guess your crying about getting your hauler ganked just because its got a billion cargo expanders doesn't mean its a good hauler)

Fitting a buffer tank (on a normal ship you will prolly survive on indys it'll buy you some time)

At least fit a damage control

Fit a clock if you do go AFK and when you do first warp to a planet or moon

So there's a few dozen good things you could do instead but no doubt you will just cry and whine about me obviously being another ganker.

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Ahh...a suicide ganker appears. Im not quitting, Ive never been suicide ganked, but, they shouldnt be getting away with it at all in High Sec and profiting from it.

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Originally by: Bud Johnson

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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enormous profits that they are with little to no risk

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So you support nerfing level 4's too? Last time i checked those were more profitable AND less risky then suiciding.

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Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane

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an escalating slider scale where each claim you make is twice as expensive as the previously taken claim. Now, this price can go down over a certain amount of time, but on the whole, each claim is twice that of the previous one thus taking away the profits of the suicide gankers, making suicide ganking a total loss.

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Originally by: Abaddon Zen

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Since haulers and indy ships appear to be the prime targets discussed here perhaps a solution would be in increasing the power grid and cpu capacity of indy ships so that they can fit an effective tank. If the gankers have to risk almost as much as they may gain then just maybe ganking would become far more risky in terms of risk vs. return.

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Originally by: N0N

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Originally by: Abaddon Zen

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Since haulers and indy ships appear to be the prime targets discussed here perhaps a solution would be in increasing the power grid and cpu capacity of indy ships so that they can fit an effective tank. If the gankers have to risk almost as much as they may gain then just maybe ganking would become far more risky in terms of risk vs. return.

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CCP have given you the tools to avoid being ganked, stop being lazy and train/use them.

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