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navajo jo V.O.I.D. Green Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 16:09:00 - [1] Edited by: navajo jo on 05/05/2010 16:09:14 Hey all, good tidings from britian (lol) I am sick of this job situation, been unemployed on the dole for 1.5 years now. got hit at the beginning of all this ****storm. Basically, i love building computers, but cant get a job. Saw ad for thr army, and im thinking about joining one of the armed forces - thought about it for years now and im finally giving up hope of any normal civilian life. Wanna know, am i being implusive? Im pretty sure i can stick out the training etc, as long as i get to do something with computers at the end... Anyone done this? Any advice? Im gonna go down to my local careers office tomorrow and talk real openly with the guys there. Dont want any old bull to get me signed up.
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 16:30:00 - [2] The Army signals could be what your looking for. Check this out:- Army Signals
Jeep Rubicon	Posted - 2010.05.05 16:59:00 - [3] Don't go into "just signal" make sure you get a computer specialty or you will end up being a telephone operator. Do some research and figure out what the specialties are called, in the US they call them "MOS" or Mission Occupational Specialty. when you find the one you want, check on some local military forums and see if anyone had that specialty and ask for their input. DO NOT trust your recruiter, they are there for the military not the individual. I went straight into the infantry, and although I don't regret my time I do wish I had picked an MOS which has some civilan counterparts. Computers would have been my choice. Jeep
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.05.05 17:14:00 - [4] When you go into the office you will take a test at some point to see what you would be best suited for. I think its called the BARB test. You will then be offered a selection of roles, most of them combat but there are plenty of logistical jobs too. You will then pick three jobs and will have to go and read up on them plus you will have to pass a small fitness test of one mile in 8 minutes or there abouts.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.05.05 17:22:00 - [5] Originally by: navajo jo Hey all, good tidings from britian (lol) I am sick of this job situation, been unemployed on the dole for 1.5 years now. got hit at the beginning of all this ****storm. I am exactly the same, a Brit who has been unemployed for 1.5 years (will be that next month anyway). I am looking to apply for the Royal Navy at the start of next year as I am well fed up with my current career prospects and also I am sick of my social life where I am at, have plenty of friends but they do not want to do anything with their life and it just drags me down. Going into the forces seems to be a good option especially in the current economic climate, but you need to make sure you get a trade. Look at the different jobs within the Army and think about how the training, experience and qualifications would benefit you on the civilian job scene. You want a trade which you can leave the forces with but still carry on a career. Have a look around for web forums that are specifically for members of the British Army and see what current serving members have to say. Get plenty of information about the different roles available and research them, ask current serving people in these roles what they think about the job (again forums are good for this). Take whatever your Army Careers Advisor tells you with a pinch of salt as they are salesmen and salesmen are almost always bias. For the Navy I have been reading the forums at www.navy-net.co.uk as well as reading up on the official Navy website. Why are you looking at joining the Army by the way? Just curious as to why the Army and not the RAF or Navy. Just curious.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.05.05 17:44:00 - [6] Would the Navy be a better choice? I know it would be in the US. "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.05 17:51:00 - [7] Applied last year, got all the way to selection but got deferred for medical reasons (not just heart murmur) and it's on hold 'til things clear up. My education wasn't great and I've been unemployed for well over a year now. I think somewhere along the line I resigned myself to a life of Office work or Retail, things which I actually really, really hate, which is probably I have so much trouble getting a job. I think the forces is a great choice and I can't wait to get back at it. Unless you've got something really holding you at home (family, S/O, etc), it's probably one of the best things you can do IMO. I was actually really looking forward to basic training. Lots of physical activity which I love and don't get nearly enough of Btw, you'll fail on the spot if you're not fit enough. Can you run? 'cause you'll need to do 1.5 miles in 10-12 minutes for selection, and from what I know it gets MUCH harder in Basic. Make sure you have appropriate footware, or you'll be in a world of pain. Defiantely go to your careers office at least, they'll tell you everything you need to know even if you're not sure what you want, and were really great with me. - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.05.05 18:38:00 - [8] go air force "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game."
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.05.05 18:46:00 - [9] This is how it works, excess men funneled into armed services to go die someplace and not be a burden on society, all very clean. There are amarr holders, the rich and there are minmatar expendables, you. Delenda est achura.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.05.05 18:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia go chair force Fixed.. And ~ There is a British Chair Force??? o_O "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima

Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.05 19:16:00 - [11] My advice would be to first check out the Royal Navy then Crab Air (RAF).But if you are destined for the Army then their is only one option,Royal Engineers,all sorts of trades to learn,from bricklaying to bomb disposal.And if your into the whole action man thing then theirs the option to go Airborne or Commando.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.05.05 19:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Wendat Huron This is how it works, excess men funneled into armed services to go die someplace and not be a burden on society, all very clean. There are amarr holders, the rich and there are minmatar expendables, you. Hey I remember you from the 'new sniper record' thread. Snipers are cowards and now people who join the forces are all going to die and no-longer be a burden on society. GTFO you small minded little prick. If you can't post something constructive then why bother posting at all. To the OP: Found some forums that should be handy here.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.05.05 21:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 05/05/2010 21:12:56 Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: Wendat Huron This is how it works, excess men funneled into armed services to go die someplace and not be a burden on society, all very clean. There are amarr holders, the rich and there are minmatar expendables, you. Hey I remember you from the 'new sniper record' thread. Snipers are cowards and now people who join the forces are all going to die and no-longer be a burden on society. GTFO you small minded little prick. If you can't post something constructive then why bother posting at all. To the OP: Found some forums that should be handy here. I don't remember you, there are just too many neo-con military freaks on these boards. By all means sign up to go foreign places, meet new and interesting people and kill them. It was constructive, you just have to read between the lines, stay the hell out of armed forces, you'll fight and die to keep the stock up on corporations who profit from wars. Delenda est achura.
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 21:22:00 - [14] I beleive in national service. Men and women between 16 and 18 to do 6 months. I think it would be good for personal development which can help them in their future careers.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.05 21:52:00 - [15] Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 05/05/2010 21:52:30 Originally by: Vogue I beleive in national civil service. Men and women between 16 and 18 to do 6 months. I think it would be good for personal development which can help them in their future careers. FYP. At the OP, there are plenty of opportunities to study up to degree level in the Signals. Depending on what trade you pick you could well end up working with all sorts of fancy, sekrit stuff. You may be in for a wait though, considering the current climate plenty of other people have had the same idea so get fit and if you really like the look of a particular job with a waiting list then wait it out if you can and don't get badgered into your second choice. I can't speak much for RN/RAF but all the Army signalers I've worked with have been good blokes and if you're deployed you can end up in all sorts of interesting places if you're good enough (one lad I met spent his tour of Afghan attached to Czech Special Forces, among the only fellows in theatre with a steady supply of beer). Edit. Arrse is a goldmine of information if you have a trawl through it.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.05.05 22:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 05/05/2010 22:20:05 OK ... it's like this ... There is ONE good reason for going into the military. That reason is to serve your country - because THAT is what you are going to do. Go in wanting to serve the nation that let you grow to adulthood in freedom and relative security - and you will not be disappointed in the out come (or at least not so much ...). Go in for ANY other reason - and you are fooling yourself. Here's how this works. Joe Blow goes into the Recuriters office and wants to sign up for being a computer technician. The recruiter gives him a few tests, maybe looks at his back ground and says - "No problem son. Sign right here." Next - Joe Blow completes recruit training and is sent off to his school. Now - one of two things happens. Joe passes the school - or he fails it. If Joe fails the school - this might effect his contract and he may end up with a shorter enlistment since he will not become a Nuclear Submarine Technician. However - he is still in the military. At this point - they'll pretty much do something with him which may or may not be effected by his contract - or the Needs of The Service ... I had a brother in law this happened to. If Joe passes his school - then he will probably be sent to a unit to employ his specialty. Once at that unit - he may or may not ever work in that field again. Having been given and completed the school in his contract - he is now obligated for the full extent of that contract - such as Six Years for an Aviation Guarantee ... despite the fact that he is now a Sentry and spends his time walking around bunkers with a shot gun over his shoulder - which is his job. I had a friend this happened to. It also happened to me - but I had only enlisted for 2 years any way. I graduated 3rd in my class, got sent to the best facility on the west coast to serve as an Artillery Mechanic - and the Captain in Personnel said "We're transitioning to Civil Service Mechanics so we don't need any more Marines - we're putting you in the M.P.'s" and I said, "Yes, Sir." Having enlisted for the purpose of serving my country - rather than thinking I was somehow going to get some benefit out of it - I got what I expected and do not regret my time serving my country. Of course ... since I was a Gungh-Ho Kid who put down his occupations choices as #1 - Infantry, #2 Amphibious Tank Gunner - I was probably better off being a sentry anyway ... Now ... what I did get out of it - was the GI Bill that paid for much of my college and as a partially disabled Veteran - access to free health care from the VA for the rest of my life (which has come in handy at times). Don't go into the military trying to make the "smart move" and be all clever about how you're arranging your life. The Military has been dealing with people like you for thousands of years. It will take your life and use it as it sees fit - at the moment - with no regard whatsoever to your wishes. Be prepared for that. Do your time serving your nation. And you can be proud that you weren't someone who sat on their ass and let someone else do it. Go in thinking how clever you are ... and ... you may end up bitter. Now ... that said ... In the US (on average ...) it's like this: The Coast Guard has a real job 100% of the time so there's less make work. The Air Force has the highest tech jobs. They fight with air planes. The Navy is next. They fight with ships. The Army has a lot of people whose primary weapons system is their body. Same with the Marines - they just take things much more seriously than the Army. Do your job - whatever it is - don't get put in jail because you were stupid - finish your enlistment - and then go on with your life. You will probably be a tougher more mature individual. Civilians have lots of silly ideas about some things that veterans have learned ... are silly. You will see what the world is really like and make friends you never could have met had you not served. Good Luck. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.05.05 22:41:00 - [17] Its not like that in the UK. My mate didnt join the army to serve the nation, he did it because he thought he would enjoy it. Most of people in the army are like that, there in because they have fun. It is part of the reason why nobody can ever break our moral. Even if they do whine and complain in a way only a squaddie can
navajo jo V.O.I.D. Green Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 03:18:00 - [18] Hey guys, thanks for all the feedback...spoke with friends tonight and i have agreed with them that i should probably take RAF over Army, and i dont want to be away from home 6months out of the year in the navy. Ideal situation, id be behind a desk occasionally going out and fixing a PC. I dont mind getting dirty, but i would prefer not to get shot at, as im sure most of us would. Im not GI joe, i doubt i ever will be. But i do have a basic level of fitness which ive been working on for the last few weeks. If im given the answers id like, then ill up my routine and get into shape. I think i need to be bullied into a routine now, as ive been out of the loop for so long its just not even funny, i need to be made to get up and do stuff. I think 4-5 years of hard work will drill that into me again. Ive got my GCSE's and i do want to learn a trade, im gonna talk to the recruiter with a no nonsense point of view - ask him for brutally honest answers, as i have friends who have gone through the process before, i know he will try to get me into the forces anyway, i just want to know that im gonna be put into the field i want and will excell in.
navajo jo V.O.I.D. Green Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 03:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Kirra Liu I am exactly the same, a Brit who has been unemployed for 1.5 years (will be that next month anyway) also, where are you from? Its a long shot, but im in the west midlands, v near birmingham.
Vonlutt Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.06 06:40:00 - [20] I recommend the chairforce for comfortability, job training, and luxuries. And if at all possible, go in as an officer, sucks being enlisted. !

Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:20:00 - [21] Originally by: navajo jo Originally by: Kirra Liu I am exactly the same, a Brit who has been unemployed for 1.5 years (will be that next month anyway) also, where are you from? Its a long shot, but im in the west midlands, v near birmingham. Near Darlington in County Durham. Hate the place .
zombiedeadhead Minmatar The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.05.06 14:07:00 - [22] Join the Taliban, after all, they're winning.
Florio Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.05.06 17:09:00 - [23] The Taliban aren't winning the battles. Whether they win the war depends on the Afghans after the US leaves.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:01:00 - [24] Originally by: navajo jo Hey guys, thanks for all the feedback...spoke with friends tonight and i have agreed with them that i should probably take RAF over Army, and i dont want to be away from home 6months out of the year in the navy. Ideal situation, id be behind a desk occasionally going out and fixing a PC. I dont mind getting dirty, but i would prefer not to get shot at, as im sure most of us would. Im not GI joe, i doubt i ever will be. But i do have a basic level of fitness which ive been working on for the last few weeks. If im given the answers id like, then ill up my routine and get into shape. I think i need to be bullied into a routine now, as ive been out of the loop for so long its just not even funny, i need to be made to get up and do stuff. I think 4-5 years of hard work will drill that into me again. Ive got my GCSE's and i do want to learn a trade, im gonna talk to the recruiter with a no nonsense point of view - ask him for brutally honest answers, as i have friends who have gone through the process before, i know he will try to get me into the forces anyway, i just want to know that im gonna be put into the field i want and will excell in. You really need to have a re-think of how you think the services work.You do realise that joining the R.A.F dosent exempt you from being away from home for '6 months at a time' and that 'occasionally going out and fixing a PC' is a pipe dream. And remember this,'YOU' want to join the service,not the other way round.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.06 23:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Motaka You really need to have a re-think of how you think the services work.You do realise that joining the R.A.F dosent exempt you from being away from home for '6 months at a time' and that 'occasionally going out and fixing a PC' is a pipe dream. And remember this,'YOU' want to join the service,not the other way round. Fortunately for him the Crabs only do 4 month tours . Just be aware that while you get to pick and choose your postings to an extent if you're required to go to Cyprus/Falklands/Germany/Afghan then dry your eyes because you'll be going.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Florio The Taliban aren't winning the battles. Whether they win the war depends on the Afghans after the US leaves. They don't have to, they just cloak and never leave system till everyone else loses interest. The current rulers are too corrupt and weak to stand up to such a determined and single minded foe. Delenda est achura.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Motaka You really need to have a re-think of how you think the services work.You do realise that joining the R.A.F dosent exempt you from being away from home for '6 months at a time' and that 'occasionally going out and fixing a PC' is a pipe dream. And remember this,'YOU' want to join the service,not the other way round. Fortunately for him the Crabs only do 4 month tours . Just be aware that while you get to pick and choose your postings to an extent if you're required to go to Cyprus/Falklands/Germany/Afghan then dry your eyes because you'll be going. Serious question Larkonis,do Crabs really get to pick their postings?My only contact with Crabs was either at South Cerney or Brize,and even then it was to tell them they were s%&t.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.07 01:16:00 - [28] Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 07/05/2010 01:18:50 Originally by: Motaka Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Motaka You really need to have a re-think of how you think the services work.You do realise that joining the R.A.F dosent exempt you from being away from home for '6 months at a time' and that 'occasionally going out and fixing a PC' is a pipe dream. And remember this,'YOU' want to join the service,not the other way round. Fortunately for him the Crabs only do 4 month tours . Just be aware that while you get to pick and choose your postings to an extent if you're required to go to Cyprus/Falklands/Germany/Afghan then dry your eyes because you'll be going. Serious question Larkonis,do Crabs really get to pick their postings?My only contact with Crabs was either at South Cerney or Brize,and even then it was to tell them they were s%&t. I just assume that like the Army you get a posting preference when you get spat out of training and at assorted points in your career. Whether or not you get your preference or not is a different matter. Obviously if your unit gets spammed for a deployment it's off you pop. My brother was in the RAF for 12 years and he never seemed to have any dramas with his posting preferences. Inter service banter aside the RAF are (in my limited experience) probably the most 'civilianised' of the forces which is both good and bad in a lot of respects (mostly bad tbh) but you could do a lot worse for a career in this day and age. And don't even get me started with the 'military efficiency' with which the operation at South Cerney and Brize are run. I hate the Movement game.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.07 01:21:00 - [29] I applied to join the RAF in my younger years as some kind of telecoms/signals based thing. Got through all the tests and medicals etc fine, but I think I got tripped up on the interview with an officer. Very probing questions into my family life and history, and that of my school record. I think they worked out that I had a problem with discipline and/or authority lol. Was alright though, we ended up going to war shortly after that, so was quite relieved really. Have you voted Cat today? My Facebook!
navajo jo V.O.I.D. Green Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.07 03:52:00 - [30] Sweet jesus, a normal post by Cat?! lol In all fairness, yes, i know i wont be able to waltz in and say 'hey guys, heard you need someone like me, ill help you out, as long as i get to work on Palm beach' etc etc Just meant that compared to the army, i will have a little more choice (apparantly) in what im doing, I dont mind the fact that i will have to do a tour or 3, that goes without saying. Dad was in the army for 12 years, went to N. Ireland and whatnot. Quite a few school friends have joined the RAF and some the army. So ive got some idea of whats going to happen. As i said, my main concern (as with a certain friend, getting posted refuelling helicopters, who wanted to be a dog handler) is that i at least get to do some of what i signed up for.



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