So it's like real life sports , except CCP is honest enough to allow people to openly talk about it.

None of what you are saying though even hints at paying the other team off. Prep, intel and a good FC are exactly the things I was looking for, not a bidding war and if you are upset enough to be stubborn and run to a draw because the offer wasn't big enough.

The point is: what you said you wanted to see is the stuff you're not going to see because it is not particularly to the match. What you are going to GÇ£seeGÇ¥ is the above, which is all back-room stuff that you only notice the results of. The bribes you're complaining about are also part of that back-room dealing, only it occasionally happens in full view.

The objective is to win. What you're seeing is teams doing what they can to achieve that goal. Since this is EVE, scruples go right out the window and you get the fight in all its glory GÇö not some cleaned-up kayfabe version.

Compare the mechanics of EVE PvP to a game like Supreme Commander, and then tell me its even remotely complicated.

Once you learn what each ship is capable of, which fits are likely, and how to move in order to give yourself an edge, there isn't much more depth to dig into.

Stop comparing apples to aneurysms scrub.

Oh no... Backroom deals, meta gaming, and the like never take place in real life tournaments.

Go look up the details on the match between Barbados and Grenada. Grow up, realize that deals and tricks happen all the time to achieve favorable results. Eve, a game know for scamming and such, should be no different.

The dealmaking is part of the package and part of what makes it fun.

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Well the abilty to make a deal to make it through to the next round, doesn't make much of a tornament. This is the thing that I am so dispaointed with. To see the big names of EVE fighting it out, piloting skill and mistakes is something that was I was looking for, not the ability to pay off the other team to get through.

Yes, there hae been some interesting fights, but what is real? What do I try to strive for as a newer player? The ability to fly or just pay someone off?

You should have moved it to a grave instead.

If I am reading this right...

Hydra makes deals and plays amazingly.... permanent ban from tournament enforced by a series of lies and an unaccountable kangaroo court that does not need, or is even able to, present any evidence.

Anybody else makes deals, especially anybody allied with some alliance that maybe sreegs and soudwave still get a semi-on for, and that makes the tournament exciting.

I think I get it.

Lol. you mad?

Have you ever had somebody (or 3 people) from CCP come onto a public forum and tell lies about you?

So far I must agree that this knockout run of the alliance tournament has proven the unbalanced nature of races & ships. The idea at one time was; each race had specialized tactics in combat thus; obviously, giving bonuses to their ships accordingly. Each e-warfare tactic should be viable in the game (TQ) and the alliance tournament, if flown to proper effect by the pilots. Many people state that GÇ£a balanced ship design is boring and stagnateGÇ¥. I must disagree; balanced races (and corresponding tactics) will maximize possible ship fits and workable possibilities. There will never be a GÇ£the one fitGÇ¥ thatGÇÖs optimal. The point value in the Alliance tournament can be used in conjunction with the statistically least flown ships as a guide for ship improvement (unless they have a niche field/roll in TQ that makes them an unlikely candidate such as a HIC). I would be happy to see an equal number of Absolutions & AstarteGÇÖs as sleipnirGÇÖs (and win just as often).

i could only wish i could have that happen. wow to play with the cool kids....

It's actually the worst possible thing you can imagine to happen to you in a game you've played and contributed to for years. So be careful what you wish for, for one day it might be you wishing to all the gods that Internal Affairs department actually existed.

This is a Tournament, not a skirmish in a gate or a blob fest to get a system. I understant your point but that should not apply in this kind of events.

And you make it sound that pvp in eve is the most simple thing and we both know it's not.

Well i am glad your not being ambiguous about this mater. I understand exactly what your talking about.

All I got out of it is you think CCP is the SS of old.