The dealmaking is part of the package and part of what makes it fun.
The cookie-cutter setups, less soGǪ but then again, it's the preliminaries so it won't be quite as varied as in the matches proper (and afair, they've never shown the preliminaries before so if they don't live up to people's expectations, then it's probably because people were expecting the actual tourney rather than the knock-out round).

Dealmaking dont makes it fun, makes it ********.

This type of tournament should be directed to the skill of the players playing as a group and not for the influence that each corporation / alliance has within the game. Tournament = / = Ingame crap

EVE's combat mechanics are not really complex enough for "player skill" to factor in too much. Composition and metagaming (spying, brokering, etc) has a far bigger influence in how a match will turn out. It is the nature of the game, you can't avoid it. EVE is probably the only multiplayer game where all the most interesting events take place entirely outside of it.

I have to disagree, why not make it an alliance auction then? If a team does have a turn of "good luck" or good piloting taking advantage of another pilots mistakes... Why make a deal?... I made it through to semi's last year so why don't I pay you 4 bil so I can do it again this year?

However you try to justify it as metagaming, in the end, calling it a tornament is just a farce.

As a newbie to EVE

I made it through to semi's last year

EVE is probably the only multiplayer game where all the most interesting events take place entirely outside of it.

So which is it? Are you a newbie, or are you just terrible at this game?

@ OP - We're apparently seeing different videos, I'm really not seeing much dealmaking (so far) as opposed to past years. Though Tippia has made the important point that the past two weekends weren't normally vidcast.

Some of the matches have been pretty interesting too. Never thought anyone would bring Marauders to a PvP tourney (usually laughed at in Null), but apparently with ASBs and a cap chain it works somehow.


Nope. Travian, usually during a server instance endgame.

There is no such thing as a fair fight in EVE.

Dealmaking dont makes it fun, makes it ********.

why not make it an alliance auction then?

However you try to justify it as metagaming, in the end, calling it a tornament is just a farce.

This is a Tournament, not a skirmish in a gate or a blob fest to get a system. I understant your point but that should not apply in this kind of events.

And you make it sound that pvp in eve is the most simple thing and we both know it's not.

Dealmaking makes it EVE, and exposes player skills that other tournaments missGǪ

Also, it doesn't particularly have to do with the GÇ£in-game influenceGÇ¥ of the alliance, but rather of the dealmaking skills of the tourney participants GÇö slightly different thing.

Because that's a completely different thing as well. It's not a matter of bidding the most GÇö it's a matter of convincing the other guy to lose (or, failing that, of blowing them up).

How so? Metagaming is part of the alliance life GÇö this is an alliance tournament. If it tests more than the ability to cram pilots into ships, how does that take away from the tournament aspect?

Compare the mechanics of EVE PvP to a game like Supreme Commander, and then tell me its even remotely complicated.

Once you learn what each ship is capable of, which fits are likely, and how to move in order to give yourself an edge, there isn't much more depth to dig into.

It's been a while since I played Supreme Commander (I), but I didn't find that particularly complex. Once you learn what each unit is capable of ... well, there it stops. You just have to know the units and maybe the strategic possibilities to win. No fittings and no special movement tactics involved.

I think there are actually a lot of nuances in EVE PvP, which are not apparent at first glance.

About this Tournament I must admit, I haven't seen any videos yet. Who brought the Kronuses?

Well the abilty to make a deal to make it through to the next round, doesn't make much of a tornament.

To see the big names of EVE fighting it out, piloting skill and mistakes is something that was I was looking for, not the ability to pay off the other team to get through.

Compare the mechanics of EVE PvP to a game like Supreme Commander, and then tell me its even remotely complicated.

Once you learn what each ship is capable of, which fits are likely, and how to move in order to give yourself an edge, there isn't much more depth to dig into.

As a newbie to EVE, I was excited to see the tornament being advertised. Then got to see some replays. Why the **** bother... Might as well call it Alliance Match Fixing - no skills needed.

Deals in local during the matches, deals made before the matches.. pfft what a waste and CPP should be embarrassed.

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]But again, the fighting and piloting is such a small subset of what determines a fight in EVE GÇö preparation, intel, and proper FCing are often far more important. The kinds of matches where piloting skill becomes a determining factor are often so evenly matched as to be rather boring. It can get kind of interesting and fun, when it gets down to a 1v1 position at the very last minute of the match (cf. Nighthawk vs. Abaddon in AT6, I think it was), but beyond that, it's not really what the fights are about.