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Terajima Kazumi
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
62
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Posted - 2012.07.11 19:18:00 -
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I support this idea. It'll create new opportunities for clever entrepreneurs (of which the Goons have many) to extract near-effortless profits by exploiting the inefficiency of this new market. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1009
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Posted - 2012.07.11 19:36:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Unit757 wrote:It's amazing how mad and stupid people can get, just because someone else is better at the game then them  How does ganking a miner make you better than the miner? The ability to apply damage does not prove superiority, only that you trained differently and have a different value system. If you go by isk raised, a trade would be better without ever firing a shot. This was just someone's proposal for an embargo, and we are pointing out why it would work.
How does ganking a miner make us better than said miner? Well, for one, we're not stupid enough to go mining buckass nekkid in a untanked ship designed for group Nullsec mining. Just a thought.
CCP has even flat out repeatedly spelled this out for everyone recently -- the Hulk is not meant for solo AFK (BOT) mining operations. It's time to stop acting like it is.
But yeah, this is a fine idea, I do like the meta-game Market PVP concept, but unfortunately we all have market NPC alts. This wouldn't work. You literally don't know if the person you're selling to is a CFC member or not.
I wouldn't mind seeing some form of synergy between High and Null -- Making it so there are things that only Nullsec can provide, and things that only Highsec can provide. The problem is, any such situation by definition requires Highsec lose access to those materials and become reliant on Nullsec -- and the second you even suggest that, the AFK Bot Miners and the like, those who don't actually like the game enough to play it, have absolute fits.
For the more forward, long term thinkers, the idea that, say, Ice could only be mined in Nullsec, is absolutely delightful. It would give small scale PVP a reason to exist again, it would kill the very idea of "bot mining" for Ice, and it would give people a reason to be in Nullsec and a potential "growth" path for people in Highsec, which in turn would stir things up quite effectively.
Similarly, the idea that Highsec might have things that only Highsec could provide is... the reality today. Datacores, for example. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1009
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Posted - 2012.07.11 19:37:00 -
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Terajima Kazumi wrote:I support this idea. It'll create new opportunities for clever entrepreneurs (of which the Goons have many) to extract near-effortless profits by exploiting the inefficiency of this new market.
Careful now, Market Manipulation is now an exploit. As is being smart enough to make money in EVE. It's the new "Harrison Bergeron" policy in place -- we Goons are only allowed to be as smart as the average mouthbreathing Jita bot. |

Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
300
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:06:00 -
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Good idea, impossible to implement.
So. Coffee, anyone...? Bring your possibles. |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:18:00 -
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Gaellia Bonaventure wrote:Good idea, impossible to implement.
So. Coffee, anyone...?
Everything is impossible, until it's done.
Don't know about the rest, but if I was a Hulk miner that lost my ship to a jihadist, all my ore would already be going to the enemies of those that ganked me .. and at a significant discount. |

Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:21:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:I believe in the free market. A goons isk is just as good as a non goons isk, both fit nicely in my wallet.
This all the way. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:22:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:I believe in the free market. A goons isk is just as good as a non goons isk, both fit nicely in my wallet. This all the way. I love isk.
It buys so many nice things. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Zoe Athame
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
99
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:25:00 -
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In b4 goon alts in SoCo buy up all these sweet deals |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:26:00 -
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. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1180
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Posted - 2012.07.12 02:06:00 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:In b4 goon alts in SoCo buy up all these sweet deals A good firesale is not to be missed :) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:03:00 -
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Oh no, now what will we do?
*Log on neutral alt* *buy contract*
Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |

InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:10:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Also, not everyone wants to join some nul alliance. Thus email suggests you have time to just mull around in nul, mining. During my nul stint, we were having constant ctas and such, limiting free time to mine, and if u weren't fighting, u risked being kicked out of corp/alliance. Plus many alliances want all toons in their nul group, preventing u from having hi sec indy toons separate that can make isk or play when not wanting to deal with nul drama.
Ugh. For anyone who wants to know how GoonSwarm keeps members, we don't ever, ever do CTA bullshit. Why would anyone choose a corp that forces you to fight or be kicked out? No wonder everyone in high sec is so high-strung. Join a corp that lets you play how you want, when you want. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |

InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:16:00 -
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Caucus Prime wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:
Honestly, the best advise you can give miners has already been given, they just refuse to adapt.
This is a way to adapt. And this can set an even playing field. Market PVP on new level. Since I started playing this game I always thought you should be set a blacklist for your market and contract items. Why sell items to those you consider enemies. That catalyst you sold just destroyed the hulk you used to produce it.
Yeah, you should all do this. Then, when the volume of minerals you are trying to sell is way too high for the demand of the tiny market share you are selling to, our alts can buy up the severely depressed ore/minerals and control even more of the mineral market, as well as build our ships well below normal cost. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |

InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:20:00 -
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Sakiya Shiratori wrote:Hiyora Akachi wrote:This wouldn't affect GSF at all. They'd just use their High-sec mining/Manu alts to get their goods. But then they would get ganked...
Nah, we mine all the time, in hulks no less.
We have this crazy system, though, where we mine in large numbers, and we have intel watching nearby systems for hostiles. For some reason, no one else is able to do this.
It's almost like we're playing the game intelligently and not just whining about game mechanics.
Khergit Deserters wrote:You guys need to think a little less micro and a little more macro. Sure, the economic effect on the target (Goons) might be negligible. It most likely wouldn't even be apparent or observable. But, if it has even a small disrupting effect on their routine, then it has some effect. They have to change and adapt somehow, and that requires spending game time and effort.
Citing some examples from this thread: Using a high sec trading alt-- Well, that takes time and attention, that could otherwise have been spent doing something more efficient or productive. Mining for minerals themselves-- Same thing. Time spent doing that, instead of on doing something else they may have planned. If you want to hurt an opponent group in an MMO, one good way is to make them spend their game time doing reactive things, instead of proactive things.
Right, but the difference here is that for the last however many years, goons have always improved at this game by learning the mechanics and how to play well, while most of high sec just sits around crying about CCP changing things and refusing to adapt (Hulkageddon has been going on for years, yet highsec miners by-and-large still refuse to tank their hulks or just use a different ship, instead opting to "play" by repeatedly begging ccp to change game mechanics around their playstyle.)
**** with the markets all you like, we'll adapt, it's what we do, and we do it a lot better than you do. There are some brutal traders in GSF that would absolutely crush you if you tried to pull this plan off. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:28:00 -
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I really don't understand why people odn't like goons? We are basically doing all of eve a service by existing... sooo all i see in here are a bunch of ungrateful plebs who don't understand what's good for them? |

Jorgen Steinn
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:39:00 -
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In 1972 , a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum-security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem...if no one else can help...and if you can find them...maybe you can hire...The A- Team. |

Patrick Estemaire
Black Candle Labs
27
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:55:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I really don't understand why people odn't like goons? We are basically doing all of eve a service by existing... sooo all i see in here are a bunch of ungrateful plebs who don't understand what's good for them?
Thank you Goons for making people so angry that they buy expensive stuff from me to kill you.
Amen.
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:10:00 -
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Patrick Estemaire wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I really don't understand why people odn't like goons? We are basically doing all of eve a service by existing... sooo all i see in here are a bunch of ungrateful plebs who don't understand what's good for them? Thank you Goons for making people so angry that they buy expensive stuff from me to kill you. Amen.
I personally think you're a jerk to try and profit off of completely irrational, unjustified dislike and hatred. You're like Nic Cage in Lord Of War (except not as cool... no offense but it's physically impossible to be cooler than nic cage) |

Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
50
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:18:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Patrick Estemaire wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I really don't understand why people odn't like goons? We are basically doing all of eve a service by existing... sooo all i see in here are a bunch of ungrateful plebs who don't understand what's good for them? Thank you Goons for making people so angry that they buy expensive stuff from me to kill you. Amen. I personally think you're a jerk to try and profit off of completely irrational, unjustified dislike and hatred. You're like Nic Cage in Lord Of War (except not as cool... no offense but it's physically impossible to be cooler than nic cage)
I'm sorry that is so wrong.
Name an actor, literally any actor not Nic Cage...that guy you just named is cooler then Nic Cage...only movie I liked him in was Kickass... "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:19:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Patrick Estemaire wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I really don't understand why people odn't like goons? We are basically doing all of eve a service by existing... sooo all i see in here are a bunch of ungrateful plebs who don't understand what's good for them? Thank you Goons for making people so angry that they buy expensive stuff from me to kill you. Amen. I personally think you're a jerk to try and profit off of completely irrational, unjustified dislike and hatred. You're like Nic Cage in Lord Of War (except not as cool... no offense but it's physically impossible to be cooler than nic cage) I'm sorry that is so wrong. Name an actor, literally any actor not Nic Cage...that guy you just named is cooler then Nic Cage...only movie I liked him in was Kickass...
What's it like to come from a dimension where everyone is always completely wrong? |

Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
50
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:26:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Patrick Estemaire wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I really don't understand why people odn't like goons? We are basically doing all of eve a service by existing... sooo all i see in here are a bunch of ungrateful plebs who don't understand what's good for them? Thank you Goons for making people so angry that they buy expensive stuff from me to kill you. Amen. I personally think you're a jerk to try and profit off of completely irrational, unjustified dislike and hatred. You're like Nic Cage in Lord Of War (except not as cool... no offense but it's physically impossible to be cooler than nic cage) I'm sorry that is so wrong. Name an actor, literally any actor not Nic Cage...that guy you just named is cooler then Nic Cage...only movie I liked him in was Kickass... What's it like to come from a dimension where everyone is always completely wrong?
Says the guy who loves Wendy's when every one knows thick burgers are where it's at. Lol "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

BBJ Shepard
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:26:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Recieved this in the mail today.
You and others are the current victums of Hulkagedon, I request you read and consider my proposal as layed out in this message. Also I spent a lot of time and isk going through kill boards and sending out these messages so please read this, consider its implications and if your interested turn off your CSPA charges and contact me for futher information.
Goon Federation and Friends call us care bears, make fun of our so called tears on the forums (which are a joke) and manipulate the game with out punishment from CCP or from the over one seventh of the game population which is you and I. Yet we still sell our ores, minerals etc on the open market to be bought up by those that would step on us and insult us for existing. In my understanding they have more isk than can be imagined but due to their lack of wanting to do boring tasks depend on people like us to generate the minerals, etc... they use to field thier fleets to secure their NullSec region, wage wars, spout their egomanicial garbage and make trillions.
Consider that before there is Isk made there was time spent mining say TRIT, before any ships are made first there was some one mining TRIT, and before Wars are waged some one had to spend the time mining. That someone is people like you. You are the real back bone of the game and the minerals you generate make its gears move.
I propose the following:
a) That you and people like you denie the Goon Federation and Friends access to your time, energy and products by selling your items to Nullsec Alliances that are actively fighting the Goon's and friends at fair Jita prices. Your going to sell it any way why not sell it to those who want the Goon's and friends out of null sec, and crying real tears on the forums.
b) By selling your items directly through Contracts which can and has been done you will also make introductions to these Nullsec Alliances who, since the death of the Drone Region's alloy drops, need more and more miners to replenish war supplies. Consider, next year instead of being ganked in highsec during the next Hulkagedon your safe in a Nullsec system mining to your hearts content with only friends around to protect, warn and buy that which your labor has generated. And not disrespecting you in the process, this is all possible.
If your interested in this proposal please send a message to me stating that you are and I will then put you in contact with those who would purchase your products.
I request that you set your CSPA charges to Zero since this mass mailing has cost me a bit.
I have Nullsec contacts working with friendly Alliance's to establish guidelines for the purchase of your products at fair Jita Market Value and only need your agreement to consider this option. With out high sec minerals the Goons will have to Mine, which they hate it seems. And by dening them access to your minerals you effectively reduce their capability to defend and make war against other alliances or high sec. Really " We don't want to destroy the Economy, Just the Goon's and Pets Economies". It beats turning to CCP to solve the issue, just look at what happened with the FW manipulation, NO Banning, No Nothing of consequence. You can be that consequence, DONT SELL TO GOONS.
Please note that I will not make one isk off this except the great satisfaction of reading the tears on the forums. There aren't enough minerals CCP, we cant fleet our massive fleets CCP, We got kicked out of Null sec CCP etc.. etc.. etc...
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:30:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:
Says the guy who loves Wendy's when every one knows thick burgers are where it's at. Lol
I know Wendys personally and i'm warning you if you keep spreading lies about her delicious food you will disappear into eastern europe never to be seen again. This is not a threat, just a warning, wendys doesn't play around |

Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
50
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:33:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:
Says the guy who loves Wendy's when every one knows thick burgers are where it's at. Lol
I know Wendys personally and i'm warning you if you keep spreading lies about her delicious food you will disappear into eastern europe never to be seen again. This is not a threat, just a warning, wendys doesn't play around
You win...I don't even have anything for that...well played. "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Alara IonStorm
2582
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:37:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote: Name an actor, literally any actor not Nic Cage...that guy you just named is cooler then Nic Cage...only movie I liked him in was Kickass...
Nicolas Cage was amazing in Lord of War.
The thing you have to know about Cage is that he has only three emotions. Indifference, smug and feigned attempt at not indifference. This state of mind in which he exist is named by psychologists as Nicolas Cage syndrome.
So the way to judge whether a Nicolas Cage Movie is good or not is to look at the main character and ask would the movie be better if they removed everything about said character and replaced it with Nicolas Cage. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote: Name an actor, literally any actor not Nic Cage...that guy you just named is cooler then Nic Cage...only movie I liked him in was Kickass...
Nicolas Cage was amazing in Lord of War. The thing you have to know about Cage is that he has only three emotion indifference, smug and feigned attempt at not indifference. This state of mind in which he exist is named by psychologists as Nicolas Cage. So the way to judge whether a Nicolas Cage Movie is good or not is to look at the main character and ask would the movie be better if they removed everything about said character and replaced it with Nicolas Cage.
While i agree with nicolas cage being awesome, i submit this as evidence that nic cage has at least four emotions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8 |

Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
50
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:42:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote: Name an actor, literally any actor not Nic Cage...that guy you just named is cooler then Nic Cage...only movie I liked him in was Kickass...
Nicolas Cage was amazing in Lord of War. The thing you have to know about Cage is that he has only three emotion indifference, smug and feigned attempt at not indifference. This state of mind in which he exist is named by psychologists as Nicolas Cage. So the way to judge whether a Nicolas Cage Movie is good or not is to look at the main character and ask would the movie be better if they removed everything about said character and replaced it with Nicolas Cage.
I'm sorry I just have an intense loathing of Nic Cage. I don't understand it, can't really explain it. All I know is that every time I see his dopey face I want to punch a baby. I feel like I have to destroy something innocent as a punishment to a world that could allow Nic Cage to have an acting career. "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:48:00 -
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http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
says Goons and allies are the ones "running rampant"
Abel Merkabah wrote:
I'm sorry I just have an intense loathing of Nic Cage. I don't understand it, can't really explain it. All I know is that every time I see his dopey face I want to punch a baby. I feel like I have to destroy something innocent as a punishment to a world that could allow Nic Cage to have an acting career.
Yes but that scene where the girl in kickass kills the guys on her way to kill "Red Mist"'s father has lost me at least as many ships/wipes in other games as the "I am a leaf on the wind" scene from Serenity (when they arrive at the Alliance blockade with the pissed off Reavers after them). http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |

Alara IonStorm
2582
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:49:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote: I'm sorry I just have an intense loathing of Nic Cage. I don't understand it, can't really explain it. All I know is that every time I see his dopey face I want to punch a baby. I feel like I have to destroy something innocent as a punishment to a world that could allow Nic Cage to have an acting career.
Have you seen Lord of War before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vvjlMyXNK8
Full Movie ^
If you haven't you should watch it once just to see. Clear away any babies first of course but it is good. It is an EVE Online Movie, pretty much made for us without the Spaceships.
Trust me if you have 1 and a 1/2 Hours watch it. |

Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
51
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:52:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote: I'm sorry I just have an intense loathing of Nic Cage. I don't understand it, can't really explain it. All I know is that every time I see his dopey face I want to punch a baby. I feel like I have to destroy something innocent as a punishment to a world that could allow Nic Cage to have an acting career.
Have you seen Lord of War before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vvjlMyXNK8Full Movie ^ If you haven't you should watch it once just to see. Clear away any babies first of course but it is good. It is an EVE Online Movie, pretty much made for us without the Spaceships. Trust me if you have 1 and a 1/2 Hours watch it.
TBH I have not seen it because I do avoid Nic Cage movies... I will give it a shot though... "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
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