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Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
14
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Posted - 2012.07.11 12:59:00 -
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Recieved this in the mail today.
You and others are the current victums of Hulkagedon, I request you read and consider my proposal as layed out in this message. Also I spent a lot of time and isk going through kill boards and sending out these messages so please read this, consider its implications and if your interested turn off your CSPA charges and contact me for futher information.
Goon Federation and Friends call us care bears, make fun of our so called tears on the forums (which are a joke) and manipulate the game with out punishment from CCP or from the over one seventh of the game population which is you and I. Yet we still sell our ores, minerals etc on the open market to be bought up by those that would step on us and insult us for existing. In my understanding they have more isk than can be imagined but due to their lack of wanting to do boring tasks depend on people like us to generate the minerals, etc... they use to field thier fleets to secure their NullSec region, wage wars, spout their egomanicial garbage and make trillions.
Consider that before there is Isk made there was time spent mining say TRIT, before any ships are made first there was some one mining TRIT, and before Wars are waged some one had to spend the time mining. That someone is people like you. You are the real back bone of the game and the minerals you generate make its gears move.
I propose the following:
a) That you and people like you denie the Goon Federation and Friends access to your time, energy and products by selling your items to Nullsec Alliances that are actively fighting the Goon's and friends at fair Jita prices. Your going to sell it any way why not sell it to those who want the Goon's and friends out of null sec, and crying real tears on the forums.
b) By selling your items directly through Contracts which can and has been done you will also make introductions to these Nullsec Alliances who, since the death of the Drone Region's alloy drops, need more and more miners to replenish war supplies. Consider, next year instead of being ganked in highsec during the next Hulkagedon your safe in a Nullsec system mining to your hearts content with only friends around to protect, warn and buy that which your labor has generated. And not disrespecting you in the process, this is all possible.
If your interested in this proposal please send a message to me stating that you are and I will then put you in contact with those who would purchase your products.
I request that you set your CSPA charges to Zero since this mass mailing has cost me a bit.
I have Nullsec contacts working with friendly Alliance's to establish guidelines for the purchase of your products at fair Jita Market Value and only need your agreement to consider this option. With out high sec minerals the Goons will have to Mine, which they hate it seems. And by dening them access to your minerals you effectively reduce their capability to defend and make war against other alliances or high sec. Really " We don't want to destroy the Economy, Just the Goon's and Pets Economies". It beats turning to CCP to solve the issue, just look at what happened with the FW manipulation, NO Banning, No Nothing of consequence. You can be that consequence, DONT SELL TO GOONS.
Please note that I will not make one isk off this except the great satisfaction of reading the tears on the forums. There aren't enough minerals CCP, we cant fleet our massive fleets CCP, We got kicked out of Null sec CCP etc.. etc.. etc...
With Respect to the 1/7 of EVE
Lee Longpigmen
Im wondering if this is a scam or legit? Please Discuss |

Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
90
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:05:00 -
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Could be legit... could be someone looking to turn a quick profit by buying direct.
The whole idea is stupid though; it'll only hurt people in highsec. |

Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:10:00 -
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Looked up the person who wrote it. IRC, go figure. |

Vellen Thoss
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:10:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Recieved this in the mail today.
You and others are the current victums of Hulkagedon, I request you read and consider my proposal as layed out in this message. Also I spent a lot of time and isk going through kill boards and sending out these messages so please read this, consider its implications and if your interested turn off your CSPA charges and contact me for futher information.
Goon Federation and Friends call us care bears, make fun of our so called tears on the forums (which are a joke) and manipulate the game with out punishment from CCP or from the over one seventh of the game population which is you and I. Yet we still sell our ores, minerals etc on the open market to be bought up by those that would step on us and insult us for existing. In my understanding they have more isk than can be imagined but due to their lack of wanting to do boring tasks depend on people like us to generate the minerals, etc... they use to field thier fleets to secure their NullSec region, wage wars, spout their egomanicial garbage and make trillions.
Consider that before there is Isk made there was time spent mining say TRIT, before any ships are made first there was some one mining TRIT, and before Wars are waged some one had to spend the time mining. That someone is people like you. You are the real back bone of the game and the minerals you generate make its gears move.
I propose the following:
a) That you and people like you denie the Goon Federation and Friends access to your time, energy and products by selling your items to Nullsec Alliances that are actively fighting the Goon's and friends at fair Jita prices. Your going to sell it any way why not sell it to those who want the Goon's and friends out of null sec, and crying real tears on the forums.
b) By selling your items directly through Contracts which can and has been done you will also make introductions to these Nullsec Alliances who, since the death of the Drone Region's alloy drops, need more and more miners to replenish war supplies. Consider, next year instead of being ganked in highsec during the next Hulkagedon your safe in a Nullsec system mining to your hearts content with only friends around to protect, warn and buy that which your labor has generated. And not disrespecting you in the process, this is all possible.
If your interested in this proposal please send a message to me stating that you are and I will then put you in contact with those who would purchase your products.
I request that you set your CSPA charges to Zero since this mass mailing has cost me a bit.
I have Nullsec contacts working with friendly Alliance's to establish guidelines for the purchase of your products at fair Jita Market Value and only need your agreement to consider this option. With out high sec minerals the Goons will have to Mine, which they hate it seems. And by dening them access to your minerals you effectively reduce their capability to defend and make war against other alliances or high sec. Really " We don't want to destroy the Economy, Just the Goon's and Pets Economies". It beats turning to CCP to solve the issue, just look at what happened with the FW manipulation, NO Banning, No Nothing of consequence. You can be that consequence, DONT SELL TO GOONS.
Please note that I will not make one isk off this except the great satisfaction of reading the tears on the forums. There aren't enough minerals CCP, we cant fleet our massive fleets CCP, We got kicked out of Null sec CCP etc.. etc.. etc...
With Respect to the 1/7 of EVE
Lee Longpigmen
Im wondering if this is a scam or legit? Please Discuss
Humoring you, so I'll bite for now.
I am curious as to wonder whether such an embargo/sanction would have much of an effect on GSF/CFC; I am pretty sure GSF has large highsec manufacturing assets, to the extent that such sanctions would have a minimal effect. It might hurt other CFC members who rely on the free market for their goods and raw materials, but I doubt GSF would suffer much. |

Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:10:00 -
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can we get a tl;dr for the lazy bastards like me? |

Vellen Thoss
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:11:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:can we get a tl;dr for the lazy bastards like me?
TLDR:
Lets form a highsec coalition of manufacturers to create sanctions or trade agreements that favor alliances/interests working against GSF/CFC. |

Cannibal Kane
Geordie Freckler
456
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:12:00 -
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I would like to point out...
And I may be wrong here since I don't mine... but you can't mine TRIT. How serious do people need to take somebody that does not understand the simplest of profession in eve. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |

Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:13:00 -
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Vellen Thoss wrote:Dave stark wrote:can we get a tl;dr for the lazy bastards like me? TLDR: Lets form a highsec coalition of manufacturers to create sanctions or trade agreements that favor alliances/interests working against GSF/CFC. This is an excellent idea.
The Goonswarm Federation approves of this message. |

Vellen Thoss
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:14:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:I would like to point out...
And I may be wrong here since I don't mine... but you can't mine TRIT. How serious do people need to somebody that does not understand the simplest of profession in eve.
Doesn't have to be minerals.
One could simply form a union of traders/manufacturing alliances and industrialists to not sell, trade, or manufacture for any CFC member.
(Disclaimer: I am neither pro nor anti Goon/CFC, just theorycrafting, and I love politics) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8511
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:15:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:This is an excellent idea.
The Goonswarm Federation approves of this message. So do I. More money for me!  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
287
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:16:00 -
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i really like that avatar of yours |

Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:17:00 -
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i dread to think what % of the market goons/cfc etc make up of the jita market. i know i buy a lot of things in jita and have them shipped to null because; easier, cheaper, whatever. i also move things to jita to sell them if nobody wants them on the local market. |

Vellen Thoss
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:18:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:i really like that avatar of yours
Hers? Looks a bit like Hatchetface from Crybaby... |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
800
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:20:00 -
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Looks legit. A simple check on Lee Longpigmen killboards shows he is the real deal. Seems to be out in 0.0 taking down TCU's and ships. If I were a miner or Indy, I would probably mail him.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
14
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:21:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:i really like that avatar of yours
Thank you G |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
355
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:22:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:can we get a tl;dr for the lazy bastards like me?
Don't sell stuff to goons You want fries with that? |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3551
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:23:00 -
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There's always more than one way to skin a cat.
Basically sounds like a good idea if it is indeed legit. Of course it'll have to be done on a large scale for a long time. |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1615
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:24:00 -
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Wow Christy, that's one goooooood looking face you have ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1008
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:28:00 -
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Downside of this idea is getting it to every miner/manufacturer and the fact that Goons and friends have high sec alts to handle this.
On the other hand, if it did work it would be amazing emergent gameplay (though those who do it would be no different than Goons... except less organized, and worse at trolling, and less entertaining, and...). |

Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
90
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:29:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:i dread to think what % of the market goons/cfc etc make up of the jita market. i know i buy a lot of things in jita and have them shipped to null because; easier, cheaper, whatever. i also move things to jita to sell them if nobody wants them on the local market.
But it's not like CFC are the only ones who use the market. It'll effect missioners, explorers, smallgang and lowsec pvpers long before it has a significant impact on CFC, |

Dervinus
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
52
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:30:00 -
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This would totally work. Its not like anyone has neutral alts. Plus, lets face it, highsec miners are the most useless and laziest people in Eve. They arent going to put the effort in to actually check who they are selling their minerals to. oh seven to your toonies meight, im just passing through to get some iskies for my mommies |

dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
35
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:34:00 -
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Dervinus wrote:This would totally work. Its not like anyone has neutral alts. Plus, lets face it, highsec miners are the most useless and laziest people in Eve. They arent going to put the effort in to actually check who they are selling their minerals to.
isk is isk, now please go back to the corner and play with your titan. |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
267
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:34:00 -
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There are a few problems such plans tend to forget...
Not everyone participates. While some may sell by contract, others will ignore this or see potential to profit more by selling on market.
It's not all about the goons/nul sec. My Indies make a fair amount of t2 mods. I sell in jita because of the speed items sell. I bet a vast majority of my items go to RvB suppliers and other hi sec combatants. (besides what need do nul sec alliance have for t2 small turrets, micro aux cores, and such). Better to sell where I know there is a market.
Npc spawns include hauler ships. In nul, it's possible to get 20 mil trit from a belt rat. Not common, but belt ratting and catching the occassional hauler npc can generate enough materials to build a few ships, so why would goons worry?
The common assumption that goons bot. Yes, I know they say no one in goons does. Even if true, renters, or other entities may, helping them fuel their own indy needs.
Tech...if goons have such isk, no amount of selling to the competition will help if goons can still buy all they need at even inflated prices.
Also, not everyone wants to join some nul alliance. Thus email suggests you have time to just mull around in nul, mining. During my nul stint, we were having constant ctas and such, limiting free time to mine, and if u weren't fighting, u risked being kicked out of corp/alliance. Plus many alliances want all toons in their nul group, preventing u from having hi sec indy toons separate that can make isk or play when not wanting to deal with nul drama.
Sorry, but these ideas, though noble often are not thought through and lead no where.
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Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
14
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:35:00 -
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I believe in the free market. A goons isk is just as good as a non goons isk, both fit nicely in my wallet. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
651
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:37:00 -
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lol
never gonna happen
the spirit is commendable..I guess...but the complete disregard for basic realities is not |

Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
90
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:39:00 -
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The original message also seems to be assuming that goons are the only people responsible for ever killing highsec miners. Hell, some miners kill other miners who are AFK. |

Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:40:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote: (besides what need do nul sec alliance have for t2 small turrets, micro aux cores, and such).
are you kidding me?
i love throwing away rifters like confetti at a wedding if i decide i want to shoot at people. i have much love for small t2 auto cannons! |

dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
35
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:41:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:The original message also seems to be assuming that goons are the only people responsible for ever killing highsec miners. Hell, some miners kill other miners who are AFK.
The death of high sec miners is a 50/50 combination of goons and stupidity  |

Khanh'rhh
1616
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:48:00 -
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OK, I will post spoilers on what will happen here.
Let's assume you can get a controlling majority share of highsec miners interested in this proposal (this will never happen ... but lets assume it).
You will quickly find the exclusive market of "nullsec alliances fighting Goonswarm who build all their own assets" is much, much too small to take in all the volume of low end minerals that highsec churns out. You will then be mining and no-one will be buying the ore/minerals.Your ISK/hr is then near to zero.
Cutting off 90%+ of your potential market to spite 5% of your potential market is fundamentally economically unviable. This is all before you even consider the amount of minerals GSF could reap in if they incentivised looting/salvaging among their newer members. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Khanh'rhh
1616
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Posted - 2012.07.11 13:49:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:The original message also seems to be assuming that goons are the only people responsible for ever killing highsec miners. Hell, some miners kill other miners who are AFK. I found this adorable little group of highsec miners who encouraged the more "greify" of their members to suicide gank in the systems they commonly mined in so the belts were still full of ore, to maximize their strip mining potential.
It was pretty good to see. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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