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Little Brat
Four Gun
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:34:00 -
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First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
It is the rule in war, if ten times the enemy's strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal, engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them. Sun Tzu, 6th Century BC-á |
baltec1
Bat Country
1629
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:36:00 -
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You read it backwards. |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
244
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:36:00 -
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INB4 "Summer" |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:38:00 -
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You read it backwards.
Don't like spaceships sandbox? then this is not the game for you.
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Zapphire
Circle of Jerks
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:39:00 -
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The "All Time" section only goes back a few months. It's not showing the whole picture.
It's summer. Lots of people tend to enjoy this thing called The Outside in the summer. Some people refer to it as Null Sec. But people tend to be Outside more during summer months. I hear girls do this a lot. Which means guys also like to do it because girls have these things called "boobs" and soft skin and long flowing hair that reflects the sunlight in just the right ways...
Damn. I think I'll go Outside now. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1605
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:40:00 -
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Yup. Backwards.
If you read it the other way around, you see it only been declining for about six months.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Denidil
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
296
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:40:00 -
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all those charts are "now" on the left, "x time ago" on the right. backwards from most people's expectation
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
671
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:49:00 -
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Zapphire wrote:The "All Time" section only goes back a few months. It's not showing the whole picture.
The "All Time" section goes back to 2006. You're reading it backwards.
Also, summer. |
Little Brat
Four Gun
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:51:00 -
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Backwards? You mean you read right to left instead of left to right? The other charts are not backwards, why would this one be? All time daily average does not mean just the last six months. An average number of players takes into account fewer players during the summer months...hence the word average.
It is the rule in war, if ten times the enemy's strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal, engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them. Sun Tzu, 6th Century BC-á |
Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:51:00 -
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Little Brat wrote:First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Never ceases to amaze me how people stoutly believe that number of players online is related to number of accounts subscribed. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:53:00 -
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Still believe they have a drop in numbers despite the summer, ppl who have left due to recent events and ppl un subbing alts in protest at recent changes (dumb UI cough cough). We shall see in time though, EVE has had rocky times before and recovered.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
baltec1
Bat Country
1629
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:55:00 -
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Little Brat wrote:Backwards?
Yes you read it backwards. |
Ukrane Bob
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:57:00 -
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Little Brat wrote:First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
The forums do not reflect what players are thinking.. it only represents a very small portion of them. But besides that, did we really need another "EVE is dieing" thread?
I like to **** people off..
Get Over it..
Adapt ..
Survive! |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
83
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:58:00 -
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Hover over the top of the lines on the "All Time" Graph, you'll see the dates right there... newest dates are on the left. |
Little Brat
Four Gun
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:58:00 -
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Ok, I concede I was reading it backwards when compared to other stats. Indeed I know subscriptions have nothing to do with who is online at any given moment.
It is the rule in war, if ten times the enemy's strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal, engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them. Sun Tzu, 6th Century BC-á |
baltec1
Bat Country
1629
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:58:00 -
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Rats wrote:Still believe they have a drop in numbers despite the summer, ppl who have left due to recent events and ppl un subbing alts in protest at recent changes (dumb UI cough cough). We shall see in time though, EVE has had rocky times before and recovered.
Tal
Anyone who quit over the UI change would have quit anyway because if you cannot handle that then there is no hope for you. Same goes for hulkageddon. |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology
Executive Outcomes
93
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:59:00 -
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Let's not forget the sizable number of players now spending their weekends on the DUST beta instead of TQ. |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
83
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:59:00 -
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Little Brat wrote:Backwards? You mean you read right to left instead of left to right? The other charts are not backwards, why would this one be? All time daily average does not mean just the last six months. An average number of players takes into account fewer players during the summer months...hence the word average.
All of them are backwards, hover over them to see the dates. Newest dates on the left. |
Little Brat
Four Gun
19
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:01:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote:Little Brat wrote:Backwards? You mean you read right to left instead of left to right? The other charts are not backwards, why would this one be? All time daily average does not mean just the last six months. An average number of players takes into account fewer players during the summer months...hence the word average. All of them are backwards, hover over them to see the dates. Newest dates on the left.
ty
It is the rule in war, if ten times the enemy's strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal, engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them. Sun Tzu, 6th Century BC-á |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1606
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:04:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Little Brat wrote:First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Never ceases to amaze me how people stoutly believe that number of players online is related to number of accounts subscribed.
I never ceases to amaze me how people like you think that has any relevance.
If no one is playing, then no one is playing. Something is wrong with the game. Just because they haven't run out their subs/remaining PLEXes yet is irrelevant. Kinda hard to have fun in an MMO that everyone has stopped logging in to.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
535
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:09:00 -
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phew, was getting scared for a while there. We haven't had one of 'these' threads in almost 3 weeks. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2159
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:15:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Little Brat wrote:First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Never ceases to amaze me how people stoutly believe that number of players online is related to number of accounts subscribed. It never ceases to amaze me how people like you think that has any relevance. If no one is playing, then no one is playing. Something is wrong with the game. Just because they haven't run out their subs/remaining PLEXes yet is irrelevant. Kinda hard to have fun in an MMO that everyone has stopped logging in to. Mr Epeen
However, you also need to take into consideration the thousands of accounts that are being banned for botting now, previously this was not as large a factor. I take that back, during "Unholy Rage" we saw a similar dip in numbers active online... but of course it recovered quickly as the effort was not consistantly ongoing.
What was mentioned about many players being online less often due to participation in the DUST beta also has merit.
And, when you get right down to it, no matter how many people are online on the average... if the number of active subscriptions continues to increase (for whatever reason) the game itself is still very sound (financially).
That being said, I do understand your point. I just think all factors need to be considered.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rats wrote:Still believe they have a drop in numbers despite the summer, ppl who have left due to recent events and ppl un subbing alts in protest at recent changes (dumb UI cough cough). We shall see in time though, EVE has had rocky times before and recovered.
Tal
Anyone who quit over the UI change would have quit anyway because if you cannot handle that then there is no hope for you. Same goes for hulkageddon.
Not a case of not being able to handle it, its a case that if something you are doing stops being enjoyable then you won't pay for it. If you do then more fool you.
Some would not quit over the new UI or Hulkageddon but they may let some alts lapse, as the only way you get a message across to any RL corp these days is by affecting the bottom line.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1606
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:37:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Little Brat wrote:First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Never ceases to amaze me how people stoutly believe that number of players online is related to number of accounts subscribed. It never ceases to amaze me how people like you think that has any relevance. If no one is playing, then no one is playing. Something is wrong with the game. Just because they haven't run out their subs/remaining PLEXes yet is irrelevant. Kinda hard to have fun in an MMO that everyone has stopped logging in to. Mr Epeen However, you also need to take into consideration the thousands of accounts that are being banned for botting now, previously this was not as large a factor. I take that back, during "Unholy Rage" we saw a similar dip in numbers active online... but of course it recovered quickly as the effort was not consistantly ongoing. What was mentioned about many players being online less often due to participation in the DUST beta also has merit. And, when you get right down to it, no matter how many people are online on the average... if the number of active subscriptions continues to increase (for whatever reason) the game itself is still very sound (financially). That being said, I do understand your point. I just think all factors need to be considered.
True, there are always factors, and to have an objective opinion you need to look at all of them with some unbiased thought.
But then, I am more pragmatic than logical. So when I see a downward trend in players online and the disappointment of many of the forum community with recent changes and look at where it stands now, not where it might stand when other factors are taken into account, I find myself somewhat concerned.
Not concerned about the future of EVE. Or it's financial solvency. I am concerned that I'm seeing less players logging in over time. It might be little summer blip or it might be the pebble that starts an avalanche. I don't know. What I do know is that with less people logging in, there is less interaction, less people destroying and creating stuff and a higher concentration of old vets to new blood. And we know what vets do to noobs in this game, so it will skew even more if CCP doesn't come up with some content or enticement to get the numbers online trending upwards again.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:39:00 -
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summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots = dip. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots + war on non pvp gamers + greifing + unwelcome game changes = dip.
Fixed
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
100
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:43:00 -
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Rats wrote:baltec1 wrote:summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots = dip. Fixed Tal
Fixed it back, dont project your issues on the rest of us thank you |
baltec1
Bat Country
1631
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:44:00 -
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Silly rodent, you don't know what greifing means. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:48:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:
Fixed it back, dont project your issues on the rest of us thank you
Lol my issues hahahahahah, yeah
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Silly rodent, you don't know what greifing means.
well 2 ot of 3 then 
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
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