Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
TriadSte
Gallente
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 17:57:00 -
[1]
After a little time of thought about my personal behaviour to these forums regrading the unexpected downtime this past week Ive come to the conclusion that there isn't anything anybody can say nor write that would get a mature response from most of the forum trolls.
After a response to one of my petitions It was then I chose to embark on this wall of text to attempt to express why people like myself would be a little upset. Nothing within the game is owned by us, this is obvious and true. However when an item goes missing be that an implant destined for quicksale or a multi-billion isk research BPO It still hits home that the item you knew was there has been taken away.
The loss of isk I suspect equates to personal wealth. A mere 20 million isk implant is nothing to some people myself included, however to some players 20 million isk is a truck load of money. To have an Item removed from a hanger will hurt peoples feeling, rich or poor. The very first thing that will come into normal peoples heads about this is why has this happened to me? and browse these boards for answers. Answers don't come quick on these boards however being beaten down by forum trolls does indeed come quick. Getting an answer from a CCP GM is also fairly difficult.
I believe people would find it alot more useful in these forums if problems with the server were actually SHARED with the community because thats exactly what this is, a community. I know people would feel less hard done to, If there was more communication between what is wrong and what is happening. A few lines on the general forum on updates isnt in my opinion ideal, also getting the estimates correct would also make people feel better. EVEN if you was to say "its possible this may take all afternoon and into early evening" Thats much better than updating every few hours saying "its gonna be another few hours"
I hope you can understand my points of view and not troll this to death and back.
|
omgfreemoniez
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 18:03:00 -
[2]
No. Shut up.
|
|
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 18:30:00 -
[3]
30 min and no "gief all your stuff and you're forgiven"-comment..? Posters where art thou?
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
|
Kallieah
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 18:47:00 -
[4]
Okay, I'll do it then.
The devs hate you, Triad. Quitting EVE is your only option.
I can has all ur stuffs? Contract it to me nao! . Support EVE's future: Vote Cat o'Ninetails for CSM! |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 18:53:00 -
[5]
I would ask your stuff, but I fear it would all disappear when accepting the contract.
|
Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 18:55:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Chribba 30 min and no "gief all your stuff and you're forgiven"-comment..? Posters where art thou?
I have no interest in his stuff, but I got a call from Lelouch, who might want it. ________________________
Apply | Achievements |
TriadSte
Gallente
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 19:57:00 -
[7]
You dont know what I own..You might want my stuffz on contractz!!
|
Ghoest
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 20:05:00 -
[8]
Originally by: TriadSte After a little time of thought about my personal behaviour to these forums regrading the unexpected downtime this past week Ive come to the conclusion that there isn't anything anybody can say nor write that would get a mature response from most of the forum trolls.
After a response to one of my petitions It was then I chose to embark on this wall of text to attempt to express why people like myself would be a little upset. Nothing within the game is owned by us, this is obvious and true. However when an item goes missing be that an implant destined for quicksale or a multi-billion isk research BPO It still hits home that the item you knew was there has been taken away.
The loss of isk I suspect equates to personal wealth. A mere 20 million isk implant is nothing to some people myself included, however to some players 20 million isk is a truck load of money. To have an Item removed from a hanger will hurt peoples feeling, rich or poor. The very first thing that will come into normal peoples heads about this is why has this happened to me? and browse these boards for answers. Answers don't come quick on these boards however being beaten down by forum trolls does indeed come quick. Getting an answer from a CCP GM is also fairly difficult.
I believe people would find it alot more useful in these forums if problems with the server were actually SHARED with the community because thats exactly what this is, a community. I know people would feel less hard done to, If there was more communication between what is wrong and what is happening. A few lines on the general forum on updates isnt in my opinion ideal, also getting the estimates correct would also make people feel better. EVEN if you was to say "its possible this may take all afternoon and into early evening" Thats much better than updating every few hours saying "its gonna be another few hours"
I hope you can understand my points of view and not troll this to death and back.
r u a girl irl???
Wherever you went - Here you are.
|
CanIHave YourStuff
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 20:10:00 -
[9]
I only want your stuff if the database backfires and you lose the item and don't get any ISK causing you to come and cry like a baby on the forums rather than filing a petition which is the normal way to get a response from a GM.
|
Xeross155
Minmatar Fusion Death Inc. Intrepid Crossing
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 20:30:00 -
[10]
The replies basically confirm what the OP said, the forums are swarmed with trolls, it's horrible I want normal forums, 4chan is that way *points to a shady alley with blood on the wall*.
~Xeross --------------------------------------------- Xeross' ventures into EVE |
|
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 20:40:00 -
[11]
I think the problem here is people coming on the forums and crapping them up with needy whining and unreasonable expectations. Of course they are going to get trolled to death.
People that raise issues intelligently whilst being reasonable get a far easier time. Finally, anyone asking for their thread NOT to be trolled while at the same time making it so easy for people to give him a hard time is just asking for it. In this case I'm inclined to believe he is actually baiting the trolls. No one can really be that naive. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
|
Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 21:10:00 -
[12]
Dear TriadSte,
It's just a game. Stop making it so personal. Listen..I have to be one of the most miserable EVE players in history. I'm always broke, dont have much in the way of assets...etc. But do I make an issue of it? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
IT'S JUST A BLOODY GAME and if you cant see that, then you need to get a life.
Luv, Nooma
PS. If you are a girl, don't play/post during that time of the month. It shows. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader! |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 21:14:00 -
[13]
I had an articulate reply typed out but my browser ate it while I was checking on my petition I had filed.
So to do this pulp fiction style I'll start the post in the middle. Short story long, ISK in eve is for sale, that means that while you may not pay any real world money to play eve, many people do. A brand new Mach cost about $34.95 USD.
Imagine a player, been playing since 2005, has multiple billions in the bank. Looses a Mach to the downtime. They don't care.
Now imagine a player that's been playing since 3 months ago and just got into the same Mach. Every ISK they have is tied up on this lean, mean, Amarr s****killing machine. It gets lost due to circumstances beyond their control. They pay for the game with plex cards but paid for the first 60 days with a GTC.
1. they are furious. 2. they have no income in game and cant continue to play.
Those are 2 cases on either end of the spectrum, very plausible albeit extreme. Everyone falls somewhere into that spectrum. Where exactly you fall greatly influences your emotions/thoughts on the subject.
Ah yes, so I was looking into my one and only petition. I was unable to pay CCP with my credit card when I signed up for the game. The petition took longer than I would have been willing to accept if a viable alternative wasn't avilable. In my case there was GTC's.
So you really have to look at both sides of the fence on this one.
The only other thing I have to say is that anyone who thinks complaining about losing real world money is "whining" has too much money. This is clearly a signature. |
Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 21:23:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Cipher Jones
The only other thing I have to say is that anyone who thinks complaining about losing real world money is "whining" has too much money.
...anyone using real world money to pay for an online space game has too much money. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader! |
Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 21:42:00 -
[15]
Edited by: Spurty on 09/05/2010 21:45:46
Op at least you gained wisdom eventually ;-)
Originally by: "Martha Jones "
1. they are furious. 2. they have no income in game and cant continue to play.
Get out. Take all the weak brained buffoons with you.
Ill contract up 20 ibis to ANYONE unable to make isk after they lose their assets
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
|
Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 21:48:00 -
[16]
It was in a news announcement almost immediately.
And there is an official thread stickied here.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
Your signature |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 21:59:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Cipher Jones
The only other thing I have to say is that anyone who thinks complaining about losing real world money is "whining" has too much money.
...anyone using real world money to pay for an online space game has too much money.
Anyone who pays only in plexes has way too much spare time.
|
MrBinary
Minmatar Binary Systems
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 22:41:00 -
[18]
Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff ...you come and cry like a baby on the forums...
Here come the ****s.
He didn't come to the forums crying like a baby...he formulated a decent and polite post with concise thoughts, which is what you obviously have a problem with.
Seriously I don't know how some of you get through a day in RL without having your lunch money beaten out of you.
Oh let me guess...you're actually a jet pilot, or a super successful business type who comes to the forums to act like a child in your spare time?
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
CanIHave YourStuff
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 22:56:00 -
[19]
Originally by: MrBinary
Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff ...you come and cry like a baby on the forums...
Here come the ****s.
He didn't come to the forums crying like a baby...he formulated a decent and polite post with concise thoughts, which is what you obviously have a problem with.
Seriously I don't know how some of you get through a day in RL without having your lunch money beaten out of you.
Oh let me guess...you're actually a jet pilot, or a super successful business type who comes to the forums to act like a child in your spare time?
The OP should have filed a petition rather than rant on the forums. Well constructed criticisms and concerns raised on the forums usually are met with a reasonable response. I'm just pointing out WHY he probably gets trolled. Don't bluster like a douche bag and expect people to treat your tirade with any degree of consideration. The OP has even indicated that he knew he was very wrong.
It's a bit worrying that you have to try and get personal over an opinion from someone you don't know (but are happy to judge based on one statement). Perhaps you need to take a break from the game if you are going to take it this seriously
|
MrBinary
Minmatar Binary Systems
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 23:27:00 -
[20]
Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff
Originally by: MrBinary
Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff ...you come and cry like a baby on the forums...
Here come the ****s.
He didn't come to the forums crying like a baby...he formulated a decent and polite post with concise thoughts, which is what you obviously have a problem with.
Seriously I don't know how some of you get through a day in RL without having your lunch money beaten out of you.
Oh let me guess...you're actually a jet pilot, or a super successful business type who comes to the forums to act like a child in your spare time?
The OP should have filed a petition rather than rant on the forums. Well constructed criticisms and concerns raised on the forums usually are met with a reasonable response. I'm just pointing out WHY he probably gets trolled. Don't bluster like a douche bag and expect people to treat your tirade with any degree of consideration. The OP has even indicated that he knew he was very wrong.
It's a bit worrying that you have to try and get personal over an opinion from someone you don't know (but are happy to judge based on one statement). Perhaps you need to take a break from the game if you are going to take it this seriously
He came to the forums and used them for exactly what they are for...communicating, good or bad...you and people like you jumped a bone and insinuate he was "crying like a baby".
Why did he get trolled? Let me enlighten you, just about anything, anyone posts here will be trolled. It doesn't matter if it's good, bad, or ugly. The roaches swarm.
And after he came and posted something very decent, you still felt the need to get a dig in, calling him a baby. As you already acknowledge, he knew he was wrong with his original post, yet you felt the need to reaffirm what he already knows? As if he should treat your tirade with any sort of consideration? Then you call me, the guy who points out how childish remarks like yours are, a douche bag?
Pretty ignorant.
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
|
CanIHave YourStuff
|
Posted - 2010.05.09 23:45:00 -
[21]
Originally by: MrBinary Pretty ignorant.
Oh dear.
It's quite easy to not get trolled but clearly you and the OP are incapable of coming across as anything less than gibbering self-serving morons. Let me repeat myself since you are obviously slow at absorbing the pertinent elements... Perhaps if you learned how to deliver a reasonable post you would get trolled less. Plenty of other people manage to show their concerns over an issue without getting their thread crapped on by the idiot mob. Knowing where to put your post is a good start. People with your attitude, resorting to NO U's and petty attempts at personal insults are always going to be met with derision.
|
Atticus Fynch
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 00:06:00 -
[22]
Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff
Originally by: MrBinary Pretty ignorant.
Oh dear.
It's quite easy to not get trolled but clearly you and the OP are incapable of coming across as anything less than gibbering self-serving morons. Let me repeat myself since you are obviously slow at absorbing the pertinent elements... Perhaps if you learned how to deliver a reasonable post you would get trolled less. Plenty of other people manage to show their concerns over an issue without getting their thread crapped on by the idiot mob. Knowing where to put your post is a good start. People with your attitude, resorting to NO U's and petty attempts at personal insults are always going to be met with derision.
Listen to the bald chick dude.
|
moskowitz
Minmatar Pator Tech School
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 00:14:00 -
[23]
wow ppl u are wasting pixel on tha world wide web.
|
Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 00:43:00 -
[24]
Originally by: TriadSte
I believe people would find it alot more useful in these forums if problems with the server were actually SHARED with the community because thats exactly what this is, a community.
Have you considered voting Cat? Seriously. More interaction from the devs is what I wish to achieve.
x
Vote Cat for more dev interaction!
My Facebook! |
Mr Kidd
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 06:56:00 -
[25]
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 10/05/2010 06:57:17
Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff
Originally by: MrBinary Pretty ignorant.
Oh dear.
It's quite easy to not get trolled but clearly you and the OP are incapable of coming across as anything less than gibbering self-serving morons. Let me repeat myself since you are obviously slow at absorbing the pertinent elements... Perhaps if you learned how to deliver a reasonable post you would get trolled less. Plenty of other people manage to show their concerns over an issue without getting their thread crapped on by the idiot mob. Knowing where to put your post is a good start. People with your attitude, resorting to NO U's and petty attempts at personal insults are always going to be met with derision.
Right, and your post isn't self-serving at all. It doesn't set a tone to make yourself appear more enlightened than anyone else on this forum, does it?
The guy is right. Every post expressing frustration over certain events gets trolled. This is a forum meant for communicating. It doesn't matter if the post is matter of fact or insulting or brown nosing or written with the utmost humility and humbleness, it'll get trolled. The more thoughtful, well written and honest a post is the more likely it will be trolled. People need to be more constructive and less de-constructing other people in their posts. Unfortunately, the forums are full of people with the mentality of highschoolers who can no more communicate maturely than they can empathize with fellow players.
|
Zartrader
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 07:06:00 -
[26]
Guys, get a room or see a shrink. It's a game, who cares?
|
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 07:07:00 -
[27]
I fail to see how this is an apology. Sounds like more whining.
You have unreal expectations and that is why we are laughing at you. You expect CCP to have an unexpected problem fixed and explained on the forums within minutes? Have you played any other MMORPG or heck any video game before? The service CCP did on communicating the problem was superb, especially when compared with the rest of the industry.
If your feelings get hurt over losing an imaginary item in an imaginary online spaceship game you need to get help. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 08:00:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Abbot Laarkin on 10/05/2010 08:04:51 Couple of rules I like to hold close to my heart...
1. Never Stab yourself repeatedly with a fork before diving with sharks.
2. Never start a forum post on Eve-online like this....
Originally by: TriadSte After a little time of thought about my personal behaviour to these forums regrading the unexpected downtime this past week Ive come to the conclusion that there isn't anything anybody can say nor write that would get a mature response from most of the forum trolls.
Or end it like this...
Originally by: TriadSte I hope you can understand my points of view and not troll this to death and back.
If you don't want to get trolled/ flamed. (unless you're just laying bait)
First quote was insulting, last one...well that was just fork-pricks to a shark ----
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
|
Ban Doga
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 08:06:00 -
[29]
So instead of asking other players, visiting the official in-game help channel (comments about ISD here please ) or reading existing threads on the forum (especially those created by CCP employees) you started a new thread.
Did you really expect no one would tell you to calm down and look at the information already available? And yes, some of them developed a certain, very effective technique in doing so, thanks to years of experience with situations like this.
Remove all the "trolls" and this forum will drown in "Could someone explain why I have to write a petition again?!"
[tinfoil hat]
It's a bit like natural selection: the weak threads are constantly hunted and weeded out. The result is better average health of the remaining threads.
You can hate it or yell at or demand a change, but there isn't really anything you can do, short of exessively yielding the banhammer. Usually this will result in a troll and relevance free environment - hardly an improvement.
[/tinfoil hat]
|
Ulmagod
|
Posted - 2010.05.10 09:16:00 -
[30]
Eve is a game of opportunity where scamming is allowed.
1. Server / Database problems lose in game items 2. Create a petition for a lost multi-billion isk research BPO 3. Create a whinging forum threads that gets bumped a lot 4. Point out the forum thread to the GM investigating your petition as evidence of your genuine distress 5. Profit
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |