Turn towards salvation and purpose

You got confused on who you are loyal to there I think.

Not in the least. You ascribe exclusive rights of the meaning of these words to another, I think. That is misplaced.

True salvation lies with Nation. Millions have been saved through the initiative of Nation.

Not in the least. You ascribe exclusive rights of the meaning of these words to another, I think. That is misplaced.

heheh I never figured you for being so unable to save yourself from your own problems that you would feel the need to run to nation are you now so incapable of standing on your own two feet that you need to surrender responsibility to someone else?

...Getting told by the umpteenth group of lunatics that they will bring TRUE salvation, contrary to all the others who said that they will bring TRUE salvation, is getting kinda old.

Except that in this case, Nation has the vision, plan, and ability to implement salvation and Utopia.

Just like the Amarr, the Equilibrium of Mankind, the Blood Raiders, and whatever other group of lunatics you come with claim to have. Your point was?

Nation has mastery of wormholes, brought the Jovian capital to its knees, understands the true nature and implications of Sleeper technology (e.g. the Cartesian Temporal Coordinator)...

brought the Jovian capital to its knees

Got any proof of this? Like, any actual proof? At all? I'd quite like to see it if you have. I normally notice stuff like this happening.

What problems might those be?

Far from surrendering responsibility, I am facing up to it. I believe that Nation is the only order that will survive that which doomed the Takmahl, the Yan Jung, and Talocan, and other elder races to extinction. Through Nation, humanity will understand all that is currently obscured. Through Nation, all that threatens us will be overcome.

I take a principled stand in favour of this vision. I am disappointed, though not surprised, that you do not share it.

Right...lingering in space outside of a Jovian station equates to "bringing the Jovian capital to its knees," yep.

You just destroyed any credibility you might have had.

You think the Jovians would willingly tolerate non-Jovians in their capital system? I do not.

You think the Jovians would willingly tolerate non-Jovians in their capital system? I do not.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA you really don't have the vision to understand do you gaul? I'll give you a hint: are you not of human origin? a part of the species? or do you see yourself as being something beyond what you are?

regardless of what 'faction' we are under we are all the same we all have the same deficiencies and Kuvakei is no exception - admittedly the man was among the stronger of minds our species has encountered but the fool is lost to his own fear and impatience - said fool and those who follow cannot stomach the thought of human evolution sorting itself out he fears what is to come and he fears the result he cannot predict. the truly wise among us do not. for there is no need.

his fear of humanity's fate is so overwhelming that he strives to ESCAPE being what he his to do what the jove did before him and become something that is not human any longer - the jove doomed themselves with their foolishness and so will he.

the jove however chose their fate and did not force it upon any other - Kuvakei will take as many down with him as he can before he realises his folly.

Your legs are incapable of bearing the weight of your own self on humanity's course let alone capable of supporting those around you - so you need to suckle off kuvakei's teat in order to stay your place in the breeze? worthless is he who lacks the spine to walk the path with those placed at his side. lost are those who cannot hold strong to those around them regardless of what doom they may face.

If anything it is Kuvakei that needs to open his blinded eyes and stand beside the rest of his species! we will show him his fear is of naught but ghosts.

Dont encourage him, he'll actually take this as a sign that his hissy fit is worth a damn.

Siding with the Nation seems to be the current highly fashionable (and short lived) thing to do since the incursions have begun.

Ikarus

We are saddened to see another promising capsuleer turn against reason.
Your traitorous acts have been noted.

We Return.

Only the Master has the knowledge and power to unite the races of humanity against the forces that would tear it apart.

Furthermore, I also apologize to Nation and Slave Tama01 for my leading role in destroying her Chimera in Aidart in YC 112.08.05.

you logic is flawed

You simply don't understand what is best for people, allow yourself to be enlightened.

... Nobody likes, or fully trusts, a turncoat. Write back in six months to tell us just how much of your Master's trust you've earned, Gaul...

Ikarus,

You know not what you do or who you put yourself within arms reach of, for this you can be forgiven, I doubt you know what exactly you're doing. For that, I cannot and will not hold it against you. That said, Arkady, Yuni and Wedgetail have said all that needs to be said. If you truly mean what you say, then you've forced my hand and I cannot consider you anything but a threat that needs to be delt with swiftly and harshly.

Siding with the Nation seems to be the current highly fashionable (and short lived) thing to do since the incursions have begun.

... As has most often been the case amongst capsuleers. CONCORD's dangling of lucre in front of your noses to deal with a problem it can't effectively counter itself assured that.

Still, some will refrain from enjoining the commercialization and pursue action based on higher motivations.

Oh, what is this? This almost sounded like a threat. I didn't know you had it in you, that is almost cute.

And It isn't turning against reason at all, you logic is flawed, perhaps you require maintenance? I hear the good people in T-8UOF would be willing to examine you, and see to it that you see True Reason. You simply don't understand what is best for people, allow yourself to be enlightened.

... The fact that Kuvakei brings chaos with him (and openly champions it), and CONCORD guards and maintains an elaborate system of chaos, appears not to have factored into your logic.

The chaos to which you refer is merely transitional. When all is done, this will be a more orderly and sane universe.

Further proving my point that you are too afraid to face what is - that you run from it with what little strength you do have.
I pity you - for confusing order with stagnation.

You confuse chaos with innovation... mere quantity and higher frequency of "newness" is not a valid criterion for judging efficacy. Stochastic human systems are not inherently better at development and progress than highly-ordered ones. I have yet to hear a valid argument that an orderly system is equivalent to a static system.

With all due respect Ms. Valentina, that sounded an awful lot more like a threat than Unit XS365BT's statement.
And once again with all due respect, I don't think you exactly qualify to tell people what is best for them. Not only are you a self-hating traitor to your own race, you are borderline-traiterous to your faith with the Amarr. I endeavor to understand why, but am thrust back when I see you make hypocritical statements like this.

I apologize if this seems vindictive, snippy, or judgmental. I just say what I feel.

I am one of the few of my background who really wants to do what is good for everyone rather than just a tribe or a family

Fellow Capsuleers,

This is an official repudiation of my previous position in opposition to Nation.

That opposition was founded in fear and a tendency to favour the status quo. Later, it was debased by a greedy acceptance of the commercialization of the capsuleer-based mercenary response by CONCORD. Like so many, I was blinded by fear of the new, and the glitter of shiny ISK and the toys that it could procure.

I urge you all to do likewise. Turn your backs on the empty, directionless, purposelessness of your eternal conflicts in service of empires and alliances. Turn towards salvation and purpose under Nation and Master Kuvakei. Only the Master has the knowledge and power to unite the races of humanity against the forces that would tear it apart. Only Nation is a beacon of hope in the cold and dark of the night.

This is no hollow gesture. I have liquidated my empire-based assets and now labour as a freelancer for True Power in Nation's heartland. I have donated a substantial portion (c. 20%) of my net worth to a proven loyalist capsuleer organization in order to subsidize their activities. And will no doubt participate in more rehabilitative activities in the future.

Furthermore, I also apologize to Nation and Slave Tama01 for my leading role in destroying her Chimera in Aidart in YC 112.08.05. I offer to replace said asset, valued at 780M ISK, if such restitution is required.

GÇöIkarus GaulGÇö

So many flowery words from yet another soon-to-be drone. Yawn.

Your master is quite mad but don't worry because, like any rabid animal, he'll soon be put down. Just wondering if at that point you'll post another note stating that you were mislead and begging to return to our side?

You share this desire with the Sansha, you know.

Or me, you know.

That opposition was founded in fear and a tendency to favour the status quo.
GÇöIkarus GaulGÇö

Yes, sadly enough. The desire to "help" others no matter whether they want your kind of help or not is the one single thing that makes you Amarrians a problem for me.

Sorry Farel but, until very recently, you were a member of an Amarrian loyalist group that fought directly against the Minmatar people's militia and you are a practitioner and defender of the Amarrian faith. Therefore, I don't see Captain Sadik's assertions as false.

You share this desire with the Sansha, you know.

Sorry Farel but, until very recently, you were a member of an Amarrian loyalist group that fought directly against the Minmatar people's militia and you are a practitioner and defender of the Amarrian faith. Therefore, I don't see Captain Sadik's assertions as false.

I think I was not clear enough : I am not an amarrian loyalist.

You can discuss it endlessly refering to my previous records without any true real knowledge of it in mind

your personnal vendettas against Amarr and your expectable hypocritical agendas.

Be warned, if your epiphany is a false one, and you plan to betray the Master...you will be lucky if you last long enough for him to turn his attention to you. I hope this will not be the case.

Let's get back to the original absurdity of anyone willingly choosing to serve Sansha Nation and their oxymoronic promises.

Etymology of "utopia" = "nowhere"

Nation leads to nowhere except slavery.

Recant your recantation and return to sanity, rationality, and responsible spirituality.

Be warned, if your epiphany is a false one, and you plan to betray the Master...you will be lucky if you last long enough for him to turn his attention to you.

I hope that you and everyone you hold dear die in the most horrific fashion imaginable

Etymology is the history of words. The history of individual words is rooted in the historical world views prevalent at the time that a word is coined. Because our ancestors could not conceive of the validity of a sane, rational end-state does not mean that it could not exist. I reject this sort of defeatism.

I think that your expectation that disconnected individualists, propped-up by spirituality, is what is irrational and insane, pilot.

... 'good place' of which the universe has many - none of which were constructed by madmen...

...we burned his little falsehood to the ground the first time...

Even if Kuvakei should manage to find a new white shiny throne to call his paradise - there will be none among you fit to inhabit it - something your deliberately limited minds are no longer capable of seeing.

And you expect the same outcome again. Despite that rather different conditions of the day. We differ in our estimations and projections. Only time will tell.

My personal vendetta? I said it before, and I can repeat it again: I couldn't care less about the Amarr. If you Amarr would stick to yourselves and leave us alone, I'd be more than happy to return the favor. As it is, this is not the case. The Amarr keep my people in captivity and organizations like PIE Inc. and the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown work hard towards "reclaiming" the rest of us. And when I call you out on that, it is me having a personal "vendetta"?

You must be kidding.

It is good to see that you started to put your actions where before there were only words. You have my respect for this. I wish more people would follow your example.

No, I am not kidding. I am fed up to see people mixing personnal actions AND words WITH the actions of the entities they are part of.

you are still adressing me by "you Amarr" when I actually am no part of Amarr.

I think this is the crux of our disagreement.

If you are voluntarily part of an organization, you at least in part condone their actions. You can not voluntarily be part of a corporation and completely distance yourself from their actions - your actions are theirs, and their actions are yours.

Equating membership in a capsuleer corporation (an entirely voluntary and easily changed affair) with citizenship in a nation (which is difficult to get rid of or change, if you can at all) is not helpful, by the way. Equating it with racial association (something you do not choose at all) even less so.

And yes, if someone voluntarily joins the Caldari State military after the State declared war on the Federation, I will ask her why she supports the war, and I feel rather justified asking that question.

You can perfectly join any entity because you share the majority of what they stand for (well, it was my case at the beginning, at least), and work to change the things you do not agree with.

Welcome to Nation, Pilot Gaul. It it always wonderful to see another person open themselves to Truth and aspire toward Citizenry.

I find it doubtful that Pilot Gaul, a recognized and self-acknowledged turncoat, will be so readily turned into a True Citizen. More likely he's destined to become a True Slave, the lowest of the low in the Nation hierarchy, lacking in self-awareness and used only as cannon fodder on the battlefield.

It matters not how I am integrated into Nation, as long as I contribute to its ascension. Unlike you, I would not make any foolishly hasty judgments as to the form that such integration and contribution may take.

I have a year's worth of scientific notes, official reports, and intelligence briefings, to guide my judgments and conclusions. Would you like to try that insult again?

I have a year's worth of scientific notes, official reports, and intelligence briefings, to guide my judgments and conclusions. Would you like to try that insult again?

I think the underlying problem here is that Mr. Gaul has been disappointed by the people of the cluster - disappointed beyond belief. I do not know what exactly happened, but it seems to me the most logical explanation: He is unhappy, he has tried everything normal society has to offer, and he has not found happiness yet. In such a situation, it's not too confusing to grasp to the last straws to find that elusive happiness.

Scientific notes, official reports, and intelligence briefings do not really matter to a desperate man.

Honestly I don't get why people are feeding this guy. I gave up on trying to convince Nationals of just about anything other than that they'd look good with a bullet in their skull. Whats done is done.

That said, I've got a friend who works for Carthum Conglomerate, I'm kinda hoping they sell us some of their newest designs in handguns. Some of those designs are pretty sweet.

I think what Mr Sadik here is trying to say, in it's simplest terms is this:

'The only thing required for evil and injustice to succeed, is that good men and women do nothing.'

I think what Mr Sadik here is trying to say, in it's simplest terms is this:

'The only thing required for evil and injustice to succeed, is that good men and women do nothing.'

Sadly much evil is brought into the world by people who think they are doing good.

How about if everybody decided to be left alone and leave everybody else alone, and put a bullet in the head of anyone who breaks that rule?

Simple. I love simplicity.