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Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.11 22:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Mixed Metaphor stands ready to devote any and all available resources to repel this threat. The foul abominations of Sansha's Nation pose a danger to all humanity. I think it is safe to say that most Capulseers will stand against this threat until the chance to strike back at the heart of this plague presents itself. During such times humanity, trans-humanity, capsuleers or whatever else you wish to call us will stand together united in a way never seen before. The Nation has pushed too far with these incursions. Heartstone. ---
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.05.11 23:03:00 - [32] I thought it important to clarify, because this... this is personal. -----
Corporate Thief Caldari Code Triage	Posted - 2010.05.11 23:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Andreus LeHane Mixed Metaphor stands ready to devote any and all available resources to repel this threat. The foul abominations of Sansha's Nation pose a danger to all humanity. I think it is safe to say that most Capulseers will stand against this threat until the chance to strike back at the heart of this plague presents itself. During such times humanity, trans-humanity, capsuleers or whatever else you wish to call us will stand together united in a way never seen before. The Nation has pushed too far with these incursions. Heartstone. Truer words never spoken. Code Triage also pledges any and all of its limited effective resources to this cause. Our Operatives are standing by and will await orders from those knowledgeable on the situation. CT
Pankas Carter Photon Technologies Obsidian Order.	Posted - 2010.05.11 23:06:00 - [34] All of your ISHAEKA-.pdf files are not rendering properly. See Here Are you using a proper true-type font? Bitmap fonts fail hard. -- (start sig) -- Quote:* A great city is not to be confounded with a populous one. - Aristotle
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.05.11 23:16:00 - [35] Write a complaint to CONCORD. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.11 23:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Teinyhr [17:26:03 ] Silonneri Balginia > I'm sending probes through that wormhole. Something's different here... [17:29:18 ] Silonneri Balginia > My probes aren't responding. I think I lost them in that wormhole These lines from Teinyhr's logs suggest the other side of the wormhole was"unusual" even for such anomalies. I wonder if there were similar attempts made by responders in other systems, and if those responders had additional insight into what might have been "different."
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.11 23:35:00 - [37] Edited by: Silver Night on 11/05/2010 23:39:20 Edited by: Silver Night on 11/05/2010 23:38:40 Originally by: Justin Vallar It is clear that the Sansha are targeting major population centers in empire space. This follows on the heels of the Ducia Foundry attack, which involved the violent abduction of the entire station's crew. It is clearly an attempt to acquire new True Slaves, and assemble some kind of force. What the true objective is, when these attacks are rapidly rebuffed is unknown. Mr. Soter has suggested that this might be a strategic testing of response times and defenses in highsec, before a frontal assault on a primary target at some later time. We will be watching the situation closely. That is far from clear. Your own statement is also condradictory: Either they knew that the attacks would be rebuffed, and they are part of some other plan, or they were attempting to take people. It can't be both, because either this group from the Nation knew that the attacks would be so abortive, or they didn't. I would say that at this point, things are far from clear. There is nothing but a strong coincidence at this point that even links these incursions to habitable worlds. It may be some delusional splinter group that lacked the foresight to realize they would be slaughtered, as an example. Those reports suggest that this activity and increased communications were largely contained in the Gallente Quarter. Small numbers, worm holes that may or may not have been created, and if they were may or may not have targeted specific worlds. No clear goals and briefly ended incursions. It adds up to very little, so far. Hopefully more will become clear in days to come. Now is hardly the time for melodramatic gestures and statements. It is a time to look at the information that is available and try to understand. The truth is that this incursion is no different from many others aside from the use of wormholes. If Ducia or the Nation can develop the technology, others can as well. If anything, we should be thankful that it's first use was so monumentally ineffectual. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:06:00 - [38] Edited by: Grr on 12/05/2010 00:06:26 Originally by: Koja Tsutariba Originally by: Justin Vallar We will continue our investigation of this incident, with or without Synenose being in the Assembly's good graces. Today I bore witness to a scene of such horror that I find myself compelled to come here and support the continued dissemination of these so-called "classified" reports. CONCORD has no right to hide this from the Caldari people, nor the citizens of other nations, all four of which I understand have been affected. As a mere Captain amongst Capsuleers it is true that I do not have permission to be here or say these things, but after what I have seen today I simply do not care any longer. If, by this act, I have forfeited my post in the Navy, then so be it. People must know the truth. We must prepare for the worst based on the best available intelligence. I urge my peers in CONCORD to rethink their current strategy. Was it not your own people I fought beside today? Was it not the same CONCORD hiding the truth from capsuleers as the one that asked for their assistance? A policy of secrecy here is nothing short of madness. Koja Tsutariba, CNS Sparrow. Out. I can understand why concord would want to keep this intel classified. It's a fact that the free movement of information like this can cause panic and potentially do more harm than good. This time however was perhaps the exception to the rule. Either way this Sansha threat does not seem to be picky about its targets as all Empires have suffered attacks. I suggest we continue to pool our intel for now and make no rash decisions or theories based on a few incidents.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Silver Night It is a time to look at the information that is available and try to understand. Very well, Silver, here's a datum for us to look at: The Nation has capsuleers. Not IzzyChan, not Kostantin, not you-- nobody whose mind and identity has been left even partially intact, nobody who is allowed to have name, or even a callsign like "Ghost Hunter." True slaves. Designation: "Slave," and a serial number. Let's just dwell on that for a minute. The weakness of the capsuleers as a class and as a tool has always been our unpredictability, our fractiousness-- our abundance, maybe overabundance, of freedom. We often do the empires' bidding, or the pirate factions', but for the most part we remain very much our own creatures, free to walk away on a whim. Nation capsuleers, whether they represent the whole blasted nation or just a "fragment," as you would have it, have no such problem. While we serve ourselves first and foremost, while we exercise independent judgment constantly, a true slave can do no such thing. This means one of two things: either the Nation has finished its work on the likes of Kostantin and IzzyChan and has started processing abducted capsuleers in a standardized fashion, or it has started training its own. Now, let's dwell on that for a moment. If the Nation is training its own capsuleers, if it is running an "academy" of sorts, that means it has the capability to create practically unlimited quantities of, basically, us, given sufficient time-- "us" with ensured loyalty and free access to Nightmare-class battleships, among, I'm sure, others: quasi-immortal engines of focused destruction. We have spoken of the Nation and of your ideals, Silver-- your hopes that the Nation could be salvaged, restored to something more than a lethal remnant. I was willing to give you space to think, work, and influence, but given the resources at play I think we're done. You seemed genuinely disturbed at the notion that you might be convincing everyone that a genuine monster was actually harmless, so I'm willing to give you this much chance: The deadly results are in. It appears you were unambiguously wrong, and we have a true threat on our hands. Are you willing to go down in history as a blind fool? Or perhaps an implanted victim? Or are you willing to open your eyes and see? The patient is dead, Doctor. I know you had hope, and I admired you for that, but it's time to put down your laser scalpel and purge the area by fire before the disease you were trying to cure gets past the point where we can stop it.

Rallence Ameteves Gallente True Power	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:40:00 - [40] It is already too late. All that remains now is for you to accept this simple fact.

Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:49:00 - [41] Originally by: Rallence Ameteves It is already too late. All that remains now is for you to accept this simple fact. Yes, because our despair would be so very productive for you. That might very well be the end of the story, right there. Therefore....
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Caldari Tietokone-Uirusu	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:49:00 - [42] Originally by: Rallence Ameteves It is already too late. All that remains now is for you to accept this simple fact. I was wondering when it was going to happen. Nation will not succeed. You are not the correction. You are a further mistake. A mistake made by those who did not understand what they had. They passed it on and now, the mistake is self replicating. Recursion with a corrupt purpose. You are unity. You are stagnation. Stagnation is death. Your unity is the end of everything. Our unity will burn the corruption away. So shall it be every time you rise. Accept this simple fact and you shall be free.
Ghost Hunter Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Rallence Ameteves It is already too late. All that remains now is for you to accept this simple fact. How shall I prove myself to you and to Master Sansha, my lord? ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö;
Orpheus Rael	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Rallence Ameteves It is already too late. All that remains now is for you to accept this simple fact. We came from Terra through the EVE Gate, we built up and colonized vast worlds across the cluster, then the Gate closed and we suffered a thousand years of darkness only to re-emerge once more into the light strong and proud. The Cluster as a whole has been kicked and beaten and thrown down and each time we rose from our ashes time and time again. I am not afraid of you. We are not afraid of you. It's never too late for hope, time for you to start praying.
Vlad Cetes Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Rallence Ameteves It is already too late. All that remains now is for you to accept this simple fact. That is correct. For it is too late for you. Even with a copy of a Sleeper VR, similar to my CABAL, you are weak. Kuvakei made one step in human evolution, I have made a jump. Those who fail to adapt will become victims of evolution. Primo Victoria Siege Heil
Corporate Thief Caldari Code Triage	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:01:00 - [46] By deciding without any true, factual evidence that ours is the right cause, we have made our first and gravest mistake. By declaring our superiority, we have made what is possibly our most fatal judgment. We do not know any longer what cards the Nation holds hidden, or what its capabilities are. Mark my words, caution and diligent preparation will be the key to ending this rising conflict swiftly. CT
Boma Airaken Harlock's Vindicta Aggressive Dissonance	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:03:00 - [47] So the Sansha toasters reverse engineered some Sleeper crap and can play with wormholes. I am shaking in my pod. No really. What will we ever do?
Matsumoto Yoshizu Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:03:00 - [48] If the rest of the mindless drones are as incompetant as the ones I personally slaughtered today, a fresh faced pilot straight out the Caldari State War Academy sitting in an Ibis will laugh in the face of the Sanshas' threats.
Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:03:00 - [49] I go on a vacation and come back to this. Well, so far, this is interesting. and, if it helps any, I got rid of that annyoing line in my sig.
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:04:00 - [50] Originally by: Aria Jenneth If the Nation is training its own capsuleers, if it is running an "academy" of sorts, that means it has the capability to create practically unlimited quantities of, basically, us, given sufficient time-- "us" with ensured loyalty and free access to Nightmare-class battleships, among, I'm sure, others: quasi-immortal engines of focused destruction. It is even entirely possible that the Nation can improve up the notion of a "capsuleer." They do not have to limit themselves to random genetic chance, and could mold their future pilots from before birth. Their "capsuleers" appear to believe this is the case: "[17:27:40 ] Slave 32152 > Capsuleers are weak. Heirs ot a mistake. We are the correction." Presumably, it should read "Heirs to a mistake" or "Heirs of a mistake." Our technology is a hand-me-down from the Jove. It is entirely probable that the Jovian technology is a hand-me-down from those civilization left in ruins throughout W-space. If the Sansha have been in W-space from the time of their exile, it becomes possible that they have gained direct access to the root technology. If we were to take the Slave's puffery at face value for the sake of argument, it then also becomes possible the Nation has in fact discovered an error in our own technology and "improved" upon it (that error may well be an "excess" of free will, though I scoff at the notion the empires could not control a flock of infantile capsuleers by way of their precious little clones; anyway...). My own thinking on the fate of those ancient civilizations is that they were destroyed by the products of the research which, among other things, led to what is now "our" pod technology. If the Sansha were to have come in contact with that pseudo-mechanical lab monstrosity, they would be naturally drawn to it given their condition. It is my further suspicion that Earth was itself destroyed by this monstrosity. The Gate did not close in time. What remains on Our Side would now very much like to join with what exists Earth Side, and so I see Macaper's prophecy proceeding: This invasion is the appetite of nothing expanding. The Gate will be opened and we will send a little brother home; he'll get eaten. A single Jovian intellect shall divide itself among the Four Empires to bring them together as one; this intellect already exists in Jamyl and Shakur [though I may not be able to know this...], and so I wonder what Jamyl or Shakur has to say about the Sansha activity. That which destroyed the W-space civilizations shall return from Mother Earth through the EVE Gate, much to our excitement.
Nikita Alterana Gallente Inimical Eclipse	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:07:00 - [51] CRITICAL SHORTWAVE DATABURST Federal Intelligence Office reports Rallence Ameteves is located at 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault station in the 3-CE1R system, F-0CTG constellation of A821-A region I have just corroborated this information with my own locator agent in the Amarr Empire, and have gotten the same result. Long distance fluid router measuring ticks have also indicated a large battle took place in F-OCTG less then 32 hours ago. This situation has just gotten a lot more problematic.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Rallence Ameteves It is already too late. All that remains now is for you to accept this simple fact. This is what you fear, Ms Jenneth? Some group that resorts to grandiose, cliche-sinister proclamations? I would also be very surprised if the other pirate groups were not employing - or training - podders of their own. Nothing about that means that they are going to take over the cluster with them. By all evidence, whatever 'podders' came along with the Nation group's forces, they were pretty incompetent. It may just be that this group of Sansha's Nation relics were delusional enough to get themselves massacred when other groups - inside and outside the Nation - are bright enough to hold any podders in reserve. If they have the capability to 'make' more podders, why only so few in this first attack? Why ruin the surprise, if surprise it is? Why were the podders so incompetent tactically and - if they were the ones leading this splinter group - strategically? Your own ideas are possible, Ms Jenneth, but hardly certain. I will continue to wait before I allow myself to be panicked by a minor incursion with a novel travel method and a handful of incompetents who apparently don't fit a shield booster on a Nightmare and use nosferatu modules exclusively, from reports I've heard. Podders who don't fit guns aren't much of a threat. Finally: I would say that if the Nation, or some groups within it, have podders, it is more important than ever that ways are found to rehabilitate those under the Nation's control. Even if this is all part of some over-arching master-plan, then wouldn't the ability to take the Nation's soldiers away from it be beneficial? -------------- Silver's Fiction
Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:16:00 - [53] Originally by: Kor Shivat It is my further suspicion that Earth was itself destroyed by this monstrosity. The Gate did not close in time. What remains on Our Side would now very much like to join with what exists Earth Side, and so I see Macaper's prophecy proceeding: This invasion is the appetite of nothing expanding. The Gate will be opened and we will send a little brother home; he'll get eaten. A single Jovian intellect shall divide itself among the Four Empires to bring them together as one; this intellect already exists in Jamyl and Shakur [though I may not be able to know this...], and so I wonder what Jamyl or Shakur has to say about the Sansha activity. That which destroyed the W-space civilizations shall return from Mother Earth through the EVE Gate, much to our excitement. Earth is a myth. Macaper was deranged. and, if it helps any, I got rid of that annyoing line in my sig.
Jarik Utoni Minmatar Valhalla Industries	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:21:00 - [54] Has there also been attacks against the pirate factions? or are these attacks only coming against empire space? Another thing that's been bugging me is if The Nation waited for a wormhole, came through random ones, or created one. __________________ -Jarik Utoni, --Cov Ops Pilot ---T2 Frigate Specialist d(^.^)b The Story of Jarik Utoni
Natalcya Katla Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:27:00 - [55] CONCORD has the legal right to withhold any and all information from the public which it isn't legally required to disclose, you know. Railing against that fact is unlikely to lead anywhere at all. And really, this incursion is a perfectly valid tactic used by an occupied nation in retaliation against those who have engaged in continuous aggression against it and continue to do so. For the benefit of those who don't know about them already, the existence of these occupant communities is actually underlined rather neatly by the content of these documents. In light of that fact, these outbursts of shock and outrage seem naive and silly. If the powers of central space wish to avoid retaliatory attacks from Sansha's Nation, then perhaps they first of all should consider removing their occupying forces and civilian squatters from the Nation's sovereign space and soil.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:44:00 - [56] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 12/05/2010 01:48:04 Silver: In case this slipped by you, let me explain what Ms. Alterana's intel means. Originally by: Nikita Alterana Federal Intelligence Office reports Rallence Ameteves is located at 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault station in the 3-CE1R system, F-0CTG constellation of A821-A region The Prosper Vault station in 3-CE1R is a Jovian Directorate facility within the sovereign territory of the Jovian Directorate. Quote: Long distance fluid router measuring ticks have also indicated a large battle took place in 3-CE1R less then 32 hours ago. This would seem to suggest that Rallence Ameteves is not there as an invited guest of the Directorate. If this information is accurate, the Jovian Directorate is under attack. And it appears that the Nation won round 1. Absurd? I didn't even consider it a possibility. Not until we started getting this intel. "Heirs to a mistake." We are heirs to the Jove. Any suggestions on how I should react to this, Silver? Any blithe statements on how CALM I SHOULD BE?! Even if this intel turns out to be false, it came out that way because someone managed to mislead our usual methods of data collection-- someone, most likely, aligned with the Nation. This implies massive organization and a number of dangerously well-placed agents. If the Jove are under attack ... if the Nation has done what the Amarr failed to ... ... gods and spirits, Silver....
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:45:00 - [57] Originally by: Rallence Ameteves It is already too late. All that remains now is for you to accept this simple fact. I get it, you guys are bummed about us moving to Providence and practicing our form of cloaking guerrilla warfare in your hubs and other military installations, aren't you?
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.12 01:55:00 - [58] Or, more likely, the FIO is just lying to Ms Alterana. This is a CONCORD operation that neither they nor the Empires seem to want Podders sticking their noses into, that is more than clear enough. Simple deceit is well within their capabilities. -------------- Silver's Fiction
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.05.12 02:00:00 - [59] Originally by: Silver Night Or, more likely, the FIO is just lying to Ms Alterana. This is a CONCORD operation that neither they nor the Empires seem to want Podders sticking their noses into, that is more than clear enough. Simple deceit is well within their capabilities. The solution in that event is, "The pilot cannot be found." Making it look like the Jove are under attack, and have lost control of at least one station, is a horrible method of getting people to go do something else.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.12 02:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Originally by: Silver Night Or, more likely, the FIO is just lying to Ms Alterana. This is a CONCORD operation that neither they nor the Empires seem to want Podders sticking their noses into, that is more than clear enough. Simple deceit is well within their capabilities. The solution in that event is, "The pilot cannot be found." Making it look like the Jove are under attack, and have lost control of at least one station, is a horrible method of getting people to go do something else. It wouldn't be the first time someone in the mess has acted apparently irrationally. What sort of assets do you suppose the FIO has among the Jove? Assuming it was true, what evidence is there that this person wasn't simply captured by the Jove? It is certainly prudent to worry about the worst case, Ms Jenneth. Just not to the exclusion of less extreme scenarios. If the Nation could crush the Jove, the rest of the cluster is unlikely to be a major problem for them. Clearly a failure by the otherwise apparently omniscient FIO and other empire intelligence branches, not seeing this growing in a part of space they occupy and monitor. Conjecture-induced panic is of use to no one with perhaps the exception of, as you observed earlier, this group from the Nation that perpetrated the attacks. Well, and perhaps as a distraction, for CONCORD and the empires' military and intelligence arms, so that we stay out of their way. -------------- Silver's Fiction

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