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Gorion Wassenar Caldari Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.05.12 02:22:00 - [61] I am no longer curious, I am now concerned. ----- results may vary
Math'ra Hiede Amarr Capital Ships Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.12 03:45:00 - [62] This... is a disturbing development. It seems as if the Nation is growing bold again, one may even be forgiven, maybe even encouraged to say a time for another purge of the Sansha is not that far off. Simple pirates can be dealt with, but the plague that is the Sansha must be quelled. I pray that the CONCORD assembly sees this and the new threats are dealt with accordingly.
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.12 04:09:00 - [63] Originally by: Aria Jenneth If this information is accurate, the Jovian Directorate is under attack. And it appears that the Nation won round 1. Absurd? I didn't even consider it a possibility. Not until we started getting this intel. "Heirs to a mistake." We are heirs to the Jove. It is also quite probable the Sansha are not the primary actors in that attack. It is true that we are heirs to the Jove, but while the Jove may be descended from lost giants, they are not the giants, and they are not what cut the giants down. While the Sansha play with our little empires, an older enemy, a "dark light that shall return from the heart of the mother," is gathering strength. The EVE Gate is going to open, and it will not be humans who wait on the other side.
Dagny Bronstein	Posted - 2010.05.12 05:57:00 - [64] Edited by: Dagny Bronstein on 12/05/2010 05:59:44 Originally by: Kor Shivat I wonder if a Sansha invasion might be considered "an appetite of nothing expanding over the world." sure. OOC Originally by: Burning Life It's not hard for them to get people who'll ... work independently. As you probably remember there are many who welcome us, even seek us out, in worship or desperation to escape from themselves. An abundance of slaves willing to be taken. (highlight mine)
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.05.12 06:48:00 - [65] Vak'Atioth revisited, but with a different result? frowns I believe it is clear then, the self-imposed quarantine of the Jove has been hiding a downfall on a scale that we had not dared to imagine. Still, there are obviously more pressing concerns than that conjecture... The pilots of the Synonese Accord have my personal thanks for their efforts in this matter. Today, everything changes. -------
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.05.12 07:21:00 - [66] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 12/05/2010 07:24:58 Originally by: Silver Night It wouldn't be the first time someone in the mess has acted apparently irrationally. What sort of assets do you suppose the FIO has among the Jove? I really don't know. Capsuleers don't usually end up over there. Quote: Assuming it was true, what evidence is there that this person wasn't simply captured by the Jove? Let's start with his ability to communicate over IGS a few minutes before he was thus located. Quote: If the Nation could crush the Jove, the rest of the cluster is unlikely to be a major problem for them. Maybe, maybe not. We know of one apparent battle. It could be that the Nation gained an advantage by treachery or surprise. It could also be that the Jove simply suffer a severe numerical disadvantage; capsuleer-piloted Nightmares can pose a challenge for other capsuleers, and may be capable of standing up to the limited Jove fleet more effectively than conventional Amarrian battleships were. Our numbers? Not so limited. Quote: Clearly a failure by the otherwise apparently omniscient FIO and other empire intelligence branches, not seeing this growing in a part of space they occupy and monitor. As I understand it, there's evidence these attacks aren't based in K-space at all. But they certainly knew that something was going on. Quote: Conjecture-induced panic.... Who's panicking? Silver, the notion of the Nation as a redeemable entity always struck me a little bit as a dreamer's hope. You know about Kostantin. You know about IzzyChan. You know that your hope of redeeming the Nation depended on being able to take control of its soul-- to transform your propaganda into truth. Knowing all that, look on this. The actions of a small faction within the Nation? Don't be absurd. Look at Ghost Hunter's reactions-- how can we possibly square your reading of the situation with his, considering that you're a starry-eyed idealist and he's a full-on creature of the Nation? How can you say, "It's some small splinter group," when his reaction is, "Yes, master, how may I serve?" Quote: It is certainly prudent to worry about the worst case, Ms Jenneth. Just not to the exclusion of less extreme scenarios. I'm not saying you should stop looking for ways to rescue a True Slave. That's absolutely a valuable weapon, and one we should wield with enthusiasm as soon as you or others put it into our hands. Perhaps we can still do some rescuing and redeeming, but it's time to start thinking about rescuing and redeeming people from the Nation. The Nation itself is making its move. CONCORD may have wanted us not to interfere. Mostly, we don't meddle in events planetside, anyway, and a lot of their activity seems to have been there. Also, they likely wanted to avoid a panic; these words may reach you, but the general population's almost certainly not getting more than rumor. However, now that it's having to frantically call in support from local capsuleers, CONCORD has officially lost control of the situation. Covert investigation and data-gathering no doubt continues, but we've got experimental incursions by the Nation taking place across Empire space and a True Power representative making grandiose statements on the IGS. We've gotten a rather dangerous reaction programmed into us by all the megalomaniacs we get around here: someone makes some statement like, "It's already too late," and we immediately dismiss the speaker as a harmless (to us) lunatic. So-- are we doomed as he wants us to think we are? No. But we might be if we fail to take the threat seriously. Can you bring yourself to admit that, to take that step? I suppose we'll see.
Noriko Rei Venture Racing	Posted - 2010.05.12 08:03:00 - [67] Perhaps the next coalition to meet the Sansha threat will do the job right.
Aynen	Posted - 2010.05.12 09:15:00 - [68] We know the Sansha came through a wormhole, the wormhole was collapsing when I got to their Caldari-based strike. We know they number in atleast the 30,000s. We know they harvest humans to increase their numbers, this gives them the potential for exponential growth. What I'm wondering is, hasn't a single capsuleer tried to enter the wormholes they came in on to see where they came from? Next time, I encourage everyone to fly through, especially if you're in a ship that can cloak during warp. The intel. you can gather would be more than invaluable.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.12 10:33:00 - [69] Originally by: Aynen What I'm wondering is, hasn't a single capsuleer tried to enter the wormholes they came in on to see where they came from? Yes I tried. Several times in fact. The Wormhole in question (Urlen) was different from the ones I have encountered before. My navigation systems would not lock onto the Wormhole and a manual approach had no effect. Heartstone ---
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.12 10:57:00 - [70] Edited by: Hooch Flux on 12/05/2010 10:57:27 Well, well, well, seems someone is feeling a bit punchy. Hardly say I'm surprised. Let's see where this goes this time? I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Teinyhr Minmatar Nor'akho Matar	Posted - 2010.05.12 11:35:00 - [71] Originally by: Aynen What I'm wondering is, hasn't a single capsuleer tried to enter the wormholes they came in on to see where they came from? This excerpt from the transcript I provided might discourage some trying that. Quote: [17:26:03 ] Silonneri Balginia > I'm sending probes through that wormhole. Something's different here... [17:29:18 ] Silonneri Balginia > My probes aren't responding. I think I lost them in that wormhole ~~Ayuun Korras ------------------- This is Sig. Launch every Sig. For Great Justice.
Aynen	Posted - 2010.05.12 11:53:00 - [72] If we can send things through it doesn't have to matter that those things are destroyed, as long as they have a lot of mass to them so we can collapse their incoming wormholes.
Alveolus Core Synthesis Unlimited	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:45:00 - [73] Edited by: Alveolus on 12/05/2010 12:44:56 Worrying times indeed, and allow me to add my thanks - both personal and on behalf of my corporation - to the Synenose Accord for bringing this issue to the attention of its fellow pod pilots. A few key questions stand out for me at this time: In these encounters, have the Sansha been directly assaulting Pod Pilot assets (without being fired upon first) or have all such attacks so far taken place against various state / empire institutions? Have any parties involved in the battles we've been hearing about been able to hold a slave pod to ransom until he / she provides more information on what's happening? Does the Synenose Accord (or any other involved entity) currently operate a shared intel channel where concerned pod pilots and corporations can liaise with a view to providing assistance as its called for? All questions that I feel can help both myself and my corporation begin to take active steps to respond to such outbreaks should they re-occur, and also to decide what action we feel we deem appropriate. I eagerly await your replies. - - Attia Alveolus CEO & Founder Core Synthesis Unlimited
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:51:00 - [74] This is worrying news. Six years ago, I vowed that the Sansha would pay for their murder of Emperor Doriam II's envoy. I have not forgotten that vow. As ever, PIE will do its duty to defend the Empire from these inhuman monsters. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Justin Vallar	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:42:00 - [75] The Sansha Slaves and capsuleers that led them appeared to be attacking anyone on sight. No captures of the capsules were able to be made, and they were podded immediately by those present. Their bodies, however, were captured, as Heartstone indicated previously. Finally, we have created the channel "SYNEPublic". Myself and Mr. Soter administrated it, and will coordinate intelligence sharing and operational guidance there. Please don't hesitate to contact me or Julianus if you have further questions.
Nikita Alterana Gallente Inimical Eclipse	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:45:00 - [76] I believe I have determined our next course of action. We need to contact the Sisters of Eve. For the past several hours, we've been looking for access to the wormhole the Sansha have been using, A veritable needle in a haystack. I believe there is another way. We know the sisters of eve have a ship in that system, perhaps it is time we pay them a visit.
Koronakesh Amarr DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:10:00 - [77] There are a few things worth specifically noting. The Slave capsuleer amongst Nation's (note: not THE Nation, it is just Nation) was self-identified as Voice. Nation is not a society as we can relate to. It is, effectively, a single body and mind, and the 'people' in it are the cells, the organs, of its body. They do what they do because it is what they do. They don't need a conscious decision of their own to make, they simply perform their function. There can not be a splinter group in Nation. Nation is unity. The attacks via wormholes were opportunistic. I don't believe Nation can actively control the creation and the nature of the wormholes at this time, but it can influence their generation, just as we can with our QFG arrays. If Nation could control wormholes, it would have been more effective to not stagger its attacks, and to appear en masse throughout the Empires. It can reproduce opportunistic attacks on a new level than before, but Nation can't control them. Nation has risen, and it is showing us what it can do. It is an extremely arrogant act, but it believes it has gained the upper hand. Nation has vast resources which it has been using to build up during its dormancy, and it does not suffer from the indecision of the beuracracies inherent in our societies. The efforts of every genius, every bit of labor, every act can be bent to analyze and solve single objectives. Nation is unity. It wants to bring everyone into that unity as well. Nation's Eyes and Ears are all over the cluster, and now its Voice is speaking to us. Nation serves the will of Kuvakei, and so long as it exists, it will continue trying to bring us into its unity. Negotiation is impossible. Nation must be exterminated.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.12 15:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Justin Vallar No captures of the capsules were able to be made, and they were podded immediately by those present. Their bodies, however, were captured, as Heartstone indicated previously. The corpse of Slave 32152 is undergoing preliminary analysis by The Cosmopolite and myself as we speak in the Star Fraction's research labs. We expect to be able to give a report within a week. Heartstone ---
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.05.12 15:36:00 - [79] New wave of invasions underway! Sansha force detected at Balle II, temperate planet, and destroyed by combined Moira, Moira Vanguard forces and local capsuleers. Attempted to contact local CONCORD special ops forces. They didn't comment on the situation, saying: Reimina Muar > Now is not the time for interviews. Requesting immediate assistnace from all available capsuleers. What is CONCORD hiding?
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.12 15:46:00 - [80] Originally by: Julianus Soter What is CONCORD hiding? Most of their damn ships it seems. One slip of the trigger and a fleet of CONCORD warships turns up for us but this Sansha invasion doesn't seem to warrant the same agitation from them. Heartstone ---
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:29:00 - [81] Seems that the inevitable has finally come. Time to go to work, I hope to see as many of you out there as possible to drive this threat back. My appreciations to General Soter and the SYNE team for their work so far in keeping us all informed. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:29:00 - [82] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Julianus Soter What is CONCORD hiding? Most of their damn ships it seems. One slip of the trigger and a fleet of CONCORD warships turns up for us but this Sansha invasion doesn't seem to warrant the same agitation from them. Heartstone My understanding of CONCORD leads me to believe that their powers do not extend to defense of a sovereign state; they are a policing and diplomatic organization. Now I may be wrong, but fighting an "incursion" such as this may go against their charter. If that is the case that may go a long way to explaining their current stance and their encouragement of Capsuleers. I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:36:00 - [83] Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Julianus Soter What is CONCORD hiding? Most of their damn ships it seems. One slip of the trigger and a fleet of CONCORD warships turns up for us but this Sansha invasion doesn't seem to warrant the same agitation from them. Heartstone My understanding of CONCORD leads me to believe that their powers do not extend to defense of a sovereign state; they are a policing and diplomatic organization. Now I may be wrong, but fighting an "incursion" such as this may go against their charter. If that is the case that may go a long way to explaining their current stance and their encouragement of Capsuleers. You are not wrong there but they are attacking Capusleers in a way that would bring down a whole mob of CONCORD ships if it were a Capsuleer doing it which in some cases it is. Now don't get me wrong I am all for CONCORD backing the hell off but they seem to be picking their fights recently.... Heartstone ---
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:37:00 - [84] CONCORD Commander on the scene Battle in orbit of Balle II Pictures from the scene of the battle
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.12 17:37:00 - [85] Edited by: Hooch Flux on 12/05/2010 17:40:28 Edited by: Hooch Flux on 12/05/2010 17:39:24 Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Julianus Soter What is CONCORD hiding? Most of their damn ships it seems. One slip of the trigger and a fleet of CONCORD warships turns up for us but this Sansha invasion doesn't seem to warrant the same agitation from them. Heartstone My understanding of CONCORD leads me to believe that their powers do not extend to defense of a sovereign state; they are a policing and diplomatic organization. Now I may be wrong, but fighting an "incursion" such as this may go against their charter. If that is the case that may go a long way to explaining their current stance and their encouragement of Capsuleers. You are not wrong there but they are attacking Capusleers in a way that would bring down a whole mob of CONCORD ships if it were a Capsuleer doing it which in some cases it is. Now don't get me wrong I am all for CONCORD backing the hell off but they seem to be picking their fights recently.... Heartstone Doesn't CONCORD only have true juristiction over pilots who are part of governments which are signatories to the Treaty of Yulai? As the Nation was not a signatory to this it might put CONCORD in an odd legal position for dealing with them. From a legal perspective the Nation is a problem for the 5 signatories not CONCORD. Seems odd, but that is politics for you. Also would explain a lot. Edit: By "part of governments" I don't mean that you view yourself as part of the system, but your initial pilot training was sponsored by one of the signatories. I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Ituralde Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.05.12 17:38:00 - [86] Doesn't it seem strange to anyone that CONCORD always seems to respond quickly to punish Capsuleers but is fairly lax when it comes to responding to these incursions? It's interesting to see how they prioritize attacking and policing Capsuleers over dealing with other serious threats. Perhaps if they spent less effort trying to hold down the rise of us capsule pilots, they'd have the resources to respond to something like this. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Ans Blix Amarr Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.05.12 18:03:00 - [87] Edited by: Ans Blix on 12/05/2010 18:04:23 Niarja was the latest system to be attacked at 17:00 Yulai Standard. The incursion was repelled but at a cost. Sad news from the CONCORD Commanders on the scene: [17:59:00] Harah Joele > Reports from the ground indicate that Sansha dropships made it back through the wormhole with an estimated fifty thousand Amarr citizens. ------------------------------------ - Ans Blix The battle of Will over Reason Silence is a true friend that never betrays
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.05.12 18:08:00 - [88] CONCORD cannot get away with sitting on their intelligence. I think there are few rational voices who would not join me in DEMANDING that CONCORD immediately hand over any and all information that they have on this new Sansha threat. Forget your pride, CONCORD - millions upon millions of innocent lives could be at risk! Must we always wait for terrible consequences to inspire you to take action? -----
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.12 18:16:00 - [89] Niarja VII has tonight been brutally attacked by Sansha forces. They were repelled, but their survivors escaped with around 50,000 Amarrian subjects. This has been a dark day for the Empire Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.12 18:18:00 - [90] Edited by: Myxx on 12/05/2010 18:21:29 Concord, we DEMAND answers. Care to recall what happened with the Code Aria incident, and the elder fleet incident? GIVE US ANSWERS! 70,000 people are presumed dead today alone! Stop with the media blocks, stop sitting on information that is vital. The sansha have attacked not one, but eight high security systems in less than 48 hours through a wormhole that they, for all intents and purposes, appear to be able to control. edit: I gave a low number. Fixed. and, if it helps any, I got rid of that annyoing line in my sig.

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