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Tails
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Posted - 2004.12.06 11:48:00 -
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If so, do you mind sharing your setup ideas? 
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Tails
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Posted - 2004.12.06 11:48:00 -
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If so, do you mind sharing your setup ideas?
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2004.12.06 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Amthrianius on 06/12/2004 11:54:24
**** easy
4 cap recharger 2's
3 hardners
2 large accoms
2 cap relays
Apoc ofc
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2004.12.06 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Amthrianius on 06/12/2004 11:54:24
**** easy
4 cap recharger 2's
3 hardners
2 large accoms
2 cap relays
Apoc ofc
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Tails
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:09:00 -
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I have tried two large accoms and two hardners (specific to what I was going up against) and still got torn to shreds before I finished the webbing frigs. My cap was not a problem. Does one extra hardner really make up the difference?
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Tails
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:09:00 -
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I have tried two large accoms and two hardners (specific to what I was going up against) and still got torn to shreds before I finished the webbing frigs. My cap was not a problem. Does one extra hardner really make up the difference?
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:13:00 -
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Non-faction/commander spawns are cake to tank. Faction spawns can start to hurt a bit. Named commander spawns rip you a new one.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:13:00 -
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Non-faction/commander spawns are cake to tank. Faction spawns can start to hurt a bit. Named commander spawns rip you a new one.
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Liz Bathory
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:15:00 -
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contrived situaltion, to show how the math works
you're sheild tanking, and a raven firse 6 mjolners(em torpedos) at you
your em reistance is 0%
with one hardner, that becomes 50%
with two hardners, that becomes 75%
suddemly that mjolner torp volley doens't look nearly so painful does it?
with each one of them doing only 25% of their theoretical damage
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Liz Bathory
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:15:00 -
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contrived situaltion, to show how the math works
you're sheild tanking, and a raven firse 6 mjolners(em torpedos) at you
your em reistance is 0%
with one hardner, that becomes 50%
with two hardners, that becomes 75%
suddemly that mjolner torp volley doens't look nearly so painful does it?
with each one of them doing only 25% of their theoretical damage
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mBay
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:19:00 -
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u can ofcourse use the same tanking setup on a phoon, in fact i would think u can use it on any bs (u would need atleast 5 low slots or more), on some ship setup u use more cap2 and on other ships more cap relays depending on the slot latout,
3 hardners make alot of diffrence but evan angel spawns are doable,
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mBay
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:19:00 -
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u can ofcourse use the same tanking setup on a phoon, in fact i would think u can use it on any bs (u would need atleast 5 low slots or more), on some ship setup u use more cap2 and on other ships more cap relays depending on the slot latout,
3 hardners make alot of diffrence but evan angel spawns are doable,
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Tails
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:19:00 -
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In my situation in was a Guardian Commodor and Two Guardian Enforcers plus four frigs (Serpentis, which do kinetic, thermal and a little explosive damage with the odd cruise missle fired) They get in close which suits me, but I can't seem to outlast their damage.
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Tails
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:19:00 -
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In my situation in was a Guardian Commodor and Two Guardian Enforcers plus four frigs (Serpentis, which do kinetic, thermal and a little explosive damage with the odd cruise missle fired) They get in close which suits me, but I can't seem to outlast their damage.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Liz Bathory
contrived situaltion, to show how the math works
you're sheild tanking, and a raven firse 6 mjolners(em torpedos) at you
your em reistance is 0%
with one hardner, that becomes 50%
with two hardners, that becomes 75%
suddemly that mjolner torp volley doens't look nearly so painful does it?
with each one of them doing only 25% of their theoretical damage
thats what everyone says, try actually fitting two hardeners
1st- 50%
2nd- 68%
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Liz Bathory
contrived situaltion, to show how the math works
you're sheild tanking, and a raven firse 6 mjolners(em torpedos) at you
your em reistance is 0%
with one hardner, that becomes 50%
with two hardners, that becomes 75%
suddemly that mjolner torp volley doens't look nearly so painful does it?
with each one of them doing only 25% of their theoretical damage
thats what everyone says, try actually fitting two hardeners
1st- 50%
2nd- 68%
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tails
In my situation in was a Guardian Commodor and Two Guardian Enforcers plus four frigs (Serpentis, which do kinetic, thermal and a little explosive damage with the odd cruise missle fired) They get in close which suits me, but I can't seem to outlast their damage.
What are you flying?
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tails
In my situation in was a Guardian Commodor and Two Guardian Enforcers plus four frigs (Serpentis, which do kinetic, thermal and a little explosive damage with the odd cruise missle fired) They get in close which suits me, but I can't seem to outlast their damage.
What are you flying?
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Liz Bathory
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:35:00 -
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slight nerf
still a lot less painful than no hardners
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Liz Bathory
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:35:00 -
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slight nerf
still a lot less painful than no hardners
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:47:00 -
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Yeah, Apoc with 2 large accoms and 3 hardeners (the correct hardeners of course, not sure if it is 2 kin + 1 thermal or 1 kin + 2 thermal for Serpentis) should be able to tank non-faction 3 BS spawns fairly easily.
Personally, I'd fit 1-2 heat sinks instead of the cap relays though. Yes, it means you can't tank forever, but you can still tank for 5+ minutes and in that time you can easily kill enough of the spawn to still be able to tank the rest.. and the heat sinks help a lot with killing the bigger BS that can tank a lot of damage.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:47:00 -
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Yeah, Apoc with 2 large accoms and 3 hardeners (the correct hardeners of course, not sure if it is 2 kin + 1 thermal or 1 kin + 2 thermal for Serpentis) should be able to tank non-faction 3 BS spawns fairly easily.
Personally, I'd fit 1-2 heat sinks instead of the cap relays though. Yes, it means you can't tank forever, but you can still tank for 5+ minutes and in that time you can easily kill enough of the spawn to still be able to tank the rest.. and the heat sinks help a lot with killing the bigger BS that can tank a lot of damage.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:48:00 -
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Against serpentis use 2 kinetic and 1 thermal armor hardners. Usualy 1 med tech2 and 1 large named repairer are enough to be able to tank all 3BS spawns (except officers and the ones having 6 cruiser escorts)
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.12.06 12:48:00 -
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Against serpentis use 2 kinetic and 1 thermal armor hardners. Usualy 1 med tech2 and 1 large named repairer are enough to be able to tank all 3BS spawns (except officers and the ones having 6 cruiser escorts)
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.12.06 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 06/12/2004 13:08:46
Originally by: Tails
If so, do you mind sharing your setup ideas?
tanked three with this last night in my raven
[Highs] 4 siege 1 malkuth siege 2 large nos
[Mid's] xl shiled harder (neutron is the best i can afford), 2 hardners (see eve-i.com for rats damage), 2 cap chargers (tech two if possible)
[lows] 5x PDU II's
had some problems when crusiers started to get in range but they didnt last long i think the raven is the best ship to do level 4s along with scorps as they can tank allday yet still deal good damage with torps and cruise
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.12.06 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 06/12/2004 13:08:46
Originally by: Tails
If so, do you mind sharing your setup ideas?
tanked three with this last night in my raven
[Highs] 4 siege 1 malkuth siege 2 large nos
[Mid's] xl shiled harder (neutron is the best i can afford), 2 hardners (see eve-i.com for rats damage), 2 cap chargers (tech two if possible)
[lows] 5x PDU II's
had some problems when crusiers started to get in range but they didnt last long i think the raven is the best ship to do level 4s along with scorps as they can tank allday yet still deal good damage with torps and cruise
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Tails
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Posted - 2004.12.06 13:24:00 -
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Thx for your suggestions, i'm going to try the three hardner approach, I didn't really think that having one extra hardner on would make up the difference 
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Tails
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Posted - 2004.12.06 13:24:00 -
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Thx for your suggestions, i'm going to try the three hardner approach, I didn't really think that having one extra hardner on would make up the difference
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.12.06 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gungankllr on 06/12/2004 13:59:32
Ship Type:
Scorpion Battleship
High:
4 Siege with Juggernaut Torpedos, 2 Megapulse with Radio Crystals
Medium:
Large Shield Booster II, 3 Kinetic Shield Hardeners, 1 Thermal Hardener, Sensor Booster II, Cap Recharger II, Shield Boost Amplifier
Low:
3 PDU II, Ballistic Control
Drone Bay:
6 Wasps
I soloed a Dread Guristas Conquistador (5 mill BS) and 2 500k Scorps plus about 10 assorted support ships using this setup.
I just sat there and got beat on for about 10 minutes.
My Cap never dipped below 30% or so, and I was never in any danger of losing my ship.
You could change the setup around a little bit depending on what you want, I didn't really need the Sensor Booster as I was sitting at 15k, but it was nice to cut down the lock time.
the damage output on a Scorpion pretty much sucks, but the ship bonuses and ton of medslots are pretty handy.
One thing I forgot to note, is that I couldn't get past the 5 mill Battleship's Shield Tank until I released the drones.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.12.06 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gungankllr on 06/12/2004 13:59:32
Ship Type:
Scorpion Battleship
High:
4 Siege with Juggernaut Torpedos, 2 Megapulse with Radio Crystals
Medium:
Large Shield Booster II, 3 Kinetic Shield Hardeners, 1 Thermal Hardener, Sensor Booster II, Cap Recharger II, Shield Boost Amplifier
Low:
3 PDU II, Ballistic Control
Drone Bay:
6 Wasps
I soloed a Dread Guristas Conquistador (5 mill BS) and 2 500k Scorps plus about 10 assorted support ships using this setup.
I just sat there and got beat on for about 10 minutes.
My Cap never dipped below 30% or so, and I was never in any danger of losing my ship.
You could change the setup around a little bit depending on what you want, I didn't really need the Sensor Booster as I was sitting at 15k, but it was nice to cut down the lock time.
the damage output on a Scorpion pretty much sucks, but the ship bonuses and ton of medslots are pretty handy.
One thing I forgot to note, is that I couldn't get past the 5 mill Battleship's Shield Tank until I released the drones.
www.hadean.org
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2004.12.06 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tails
If so, do you mind sharing your setup ideas?
The setup isn't as important as having the right skills.
I have energy systems op @ 5, repair sys @ 4, amarr bs @ 3 ( ) and large energy @ 4.
Energy systems op really made the difference as 3x bs spawns are now totally easy for me to get rich off.
I use an armageddon for npc (raising 130 mil for an apoc + insurance is a real problem for me, as I hunt little and spend everything right away)
and my setup is:
7x mega pulses, 1x medium SB (kinda useless, but hey)
3x cap recharger 2's
1x L acco, 1x t2 medium rep, 3x hards (2x thermal, 1x em for sanshas), 2x cap relays and a heat sink t2.
This setup is top of the line for the armageddon as it is a fine tank and a heavy, heavy damage dealer and I always reccommend it to anyone who npc hunts in an Arma.
Just don't ever use a stupid npc setup like 2x hards unless youre dealing with npc's that you defend yourself against using smartbombs (i think ppl do that against guristas).
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2004.12.06 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tails
If so, do you mind sharing your setup ideas?
The setup isn't as important as having the right skills.
I have energy systems op @ 5, repair sys @ 4, amarr bs @ 3 () and large energy @ 4.
Energy systems op really made the difference as 3x bs spawns are now totally easy for me to get rich off.
I use an armageddon for npc (raising 130 mil for an apoc + insurance is a real problem for me, as I hunt little and spend everything right away)
and my setup is:
7x mega pulses, 1x medium SB (kinda useless, but hey)
3x cap recharger 2's
1x L acco, 1x t2 medium rep, 3x hards (2x thermal, 1x em for sanshas), 2x cap relays and a heat sink t2.
This setup is top of the line for the armageddon as it is a fine tank and a heavy, heavy damage dealer and I always reccommend it to anyone who npc hunts in an Arma.
Just don't ever use a stupid npc setup like 2x hards unless youre dealing with npc's that you defend yourself against using smartbombs (i think ppl do that against guristas).
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2004.12.06 15:43:00 -
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Well on an apoc its easy to tank 3 sansha bs with building up resistance to 70-80% and puttong on 2 large vestments and having the cap to support them. Even 1.5-2 mil Skillpoints will get ya it
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2004.12.06 15:43:00 -
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Well on an apoc its easy to tank 3 sansha bs with building up resistance to 70-80% and puttong on 2 large vestments and having the cap to support them. Even 1.5-2 mil Skillpoints will get ya it
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Possum Jenkins
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Posted - 2004.12.06 16:38:00 -
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3x standard npc maybe, but considering most 3x spawns are faction spawns it's more realistic to talk on those terms. I know from first hand experience they'll rip you apart with 2xL acco, 3x hardners before your cap even gets to 50%. lvl 5 in all mechanic skills.
They are possible but don't be surprised if you have to warp in and out a couple of times. All the rest of the mumbling is just forum chest beating.
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Possum Jenkins
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Posted - 2004.12.06 16:38:00 -
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3x standard npc maybe, but considering most 3x spawns are faction spawns it's more realistic to talk on those terms. I know from first hand experience they'll rip you apart with 2xL acco, 3x hardners before your cap even gets to 50%. lvl 5 in all mechanic skills.
They are possible but don't be surprised if you have to warp in and out a couple of times. All the rest of the mumbling is just forum chest beating.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.12.06 16:57:00 -
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Why bother ?
Against gurista just stay at 80+km using long range guns untill you've got 2 BS down and go in for the kill and loot using two hardeners by warping to a roid behind the spawn.
Works most of the time.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.12.06 16:57:00 -
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Why bother ?
Against gurista just stay at 80+km using long range guns untill you've got 2 BS down and go in for the kill and loot using two hardeners by warping to a roid behind the spawn.
Works most of the time.
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Deadzone
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Posted - 2004.12.06 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Deadzone on 06/12/2004 22:33:34
I can tank 3 BS spawns in my Tempest, using armour tanking. Just make sure you do a little research at Eve-DB to find out what dmg types you'll be facing. Then just stick on some hardeners and 1-2 named repairers and have your cap recharge down to 300-400secs. As a backup, I always have a named large cap booster with 4x800 charges equipped. I found myself having to use it sometimes with many elite frigs buzzing around.
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Deadzone
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Posted - 2004.12.06 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Deadzone on 06/12/2004 22:33:34
I can tank 3 BS spawns in my Tempest, using armour tanking. Just make sure you do a little research at Eve-DB to find out what dmg types you'll be facing. Then just stick on some hardeners and 1-2 named repairers and have your cap recharge down to 300-400secs. As a backup, I always have a named large cap booster with 4x800 charges equipped. I found myself having to use it sometimes with many elite frigs buzzing around.
Vice-Admiral
Executive Commanding Officer
Military Command
Hadead Drive Yards |
Redginald
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Posted - 2004.12.06 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbeh
Originally by: Liz Bathory
contrived situaltion, to show how the math works
you're sheild tanking, and a raven firse 6 mjolners(em torpedos) at you
your em reistance is 0%
with one hardner, that becomes 50%
with two hardners, that becomes 75%
suddemly that mjolner torp volley doens't look nearly so painful does it?
with each one of them doing only 25% of their theoretical damage
thats what everyone says, try actually fitting two hardeners
1st- 50%
2nd- 68%
yeah, I've got a Tempest. If you read the Info it says 0% Explosive Armor resistance, yet when I make it my active ship it now has 9% which with 2 explosive armor hardeners on make it 71% instead of 75%. I'm not sure what is going on 
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Redginald
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Posted - 2004.12.06 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbeh
Originally by: Liz Bathory
contrived situaltion, to show how the math works
you're sheild tanking, and a raven firse 6 mjolners(em torpedos) at you
your em reistance is 0%
with one hardner, that becomes 50%
with two hardners, that becomes 75%
suddemly that mjolner torp volley doens't look nearly so painful does it?
with each one of them doing only 25% of their theoretical damage
thats what everyone says, try actually fitting two hardeners
1st- 50%
2nd- 68%
yeah, I've got a Tempest. If you read the Info it says 0% Explosive Armor resistance, yet when I make it my active ship it now has 9% which with 2 explosive armor hardeners on make it 71% instead of 75%. I'm not sure what is going on
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.12.06 23:01:00 -
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i dont see any point in having 3 kinetic hardeners.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.12.06 23:01:00 -
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i dont see any point in having 3 kinetic hardeners.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.12.06 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 06/12/2004 23:47:56
Originally by: ZelRox
i dont see any point in having 3 kinetic hardeners.
All missiles fired by Guristas are kinetic damage, so it makes some sense to harden mostly against kinetic. 3 kinetic + 1 thermal is really going a bit overboard though. Either 2 kinetic or 2 kinetic + 1 thermal is generally enough for most Guristas spawns at least when armor tanking.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.12.06 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 06/12/2004 23:47:56
Originally by: ZelRox
i dont see any point in having 3 kinetic hardeners.
All missiles fired by Guristas are kinetic damage, so it makes some sense to harden mostly against kinetic. 3 kinetic + 1 thermal is really going a bit overboard though. Either 2 kinetic or 2 kinetic + 1 thermal is generally enough for most Guristas spawns at least when armor tanking.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.12.06 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: ZelRox
i dont see any point in having 3 kinetic hardeners.
All missiles fired by Guristas are kinetic damage, so it makes some sense to harden mostly against kinetic. 3 kinetic + 1 thermal is really going a bit overboard though. Either 2 kinetic or 2 kinetic + 1 thermal is generally enough for most Guristas spawns.
yes, 2 kinetic and a large shieldbooster have kept my megathron safe at all times untill now. Of course, that with only being hit by cruises and torps from these spawns.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.12.06 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: ZelRox
i dont see any point in having 3 kinetic hardeners.
All missiles fired by Guristas are kinetic damage, so it makes some sense to harden mostly against kinetic. 3 kinetic + 1 thermal is really going a bit overboard though. Either 2 kinetic or 2 kinetic + 1 thermal is generally enough for most Guristas spawns.
yes, 2 kinetic and a large shieldbooster have kept my megathron safe at all times untill now. Of course, that with only being hit by cruises and torps from these spawns.
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benwallace
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Posted - 2004.12.07 00:16:00 -
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I dunno if its hard but I soloed a 2x shadow sage (500k) and 1x harb(1mil) 3x bs spawn
in a apoc with this setup
7 mega pulses 1 lrg named sb
4 cap rechargers
2 lrg named armor repiarers 2x hardeners n-type thermal and em 2 cap relays 1 heat sink t2(I use best named tech 1 saves me cpu)
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benwallace
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Posted - 2004.12.07 00:16:00 -
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I dunno if its hard but I soloed a 2x shadow sage (500k) and 1x harb(1mil) 3x bs spawn
in a apoc with this setup
7 mega pulses 1 lrg named sb
4 cap rechargers
2 lrg named armor repiarers 2x hardeners n-type thermal and em 2 cap relays 1 heat sink t2(I use best named tech 1 saves me cpu)
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.12.07 02:48:00 -
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1) Find a ship with great resistance to the rats you are fighting
2) Slam on as many active hardeners as you can
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.12.07 02:48:00 -
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1) Find a ship with great resistance to the rats you are fighting
2) Slam on as many active hardeners as you can
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
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