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Rabit Lanky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:14:00 -
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I was basically saying that the female vs game stigma is cultural - it seems I failed to say that outright, though. Females are not expected to enjoy games, so most don't get into them without some pushing and the bigger the learning curve, the more pushing required.
I'm surprised so few of your guild are interested in at least trying the game. Flying a spaceship is probably one of the most enticing things out there. Add in the amount of information you can sift through with this game and still be learning, and you have the first game in a while that isn't a "Sit down, remap your keys, win, and get bored".
As for your gamer maturity point - that is absolutely true. I know when I first started gaming, I didn't ever want to be in a stressful (read: pvp) situation until I had played hours and hours of the game and had cataloged every possible outcome of every situation. Now I'm pretty happy to run in, die, see what they did to kill me, and try that on the next person. |
Pugzilla Black
ACE Salvage Company
2
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Posted - 2012.07.17 01:21:00 -
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Hey there!
Nice chatting with you the other day. I sent you an in game email.
Cyas soon.
Pugz |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
63
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Posted - 2012.07.17 05:39:00 -
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I sent you a little something to help you out too! Bring your friends to EVE, we want more good people here. |
Mexan Caderu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.17 06:36:00 -
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If you want to have a good time in eve you will want to develop a good social network, meet people, get into corps.
Next thing is to find out what you like to do in eve, this is the hardest thing you will have to decide:
have a look at: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80704
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Mika Al'Fadil
Gaian Effort
0
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Posted - 2012.07.17 15:46:00 -
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Thank you for writing that up, and also being a new player I agree with pretty much everything you've written: the art style is gorgeous, and the game is so rich with content it's easy to immerse yourself into the EVE universe. Also simply the best character customiser I have seen, hands down. Not much to do at the moment with the shiny character creations, but I'm looking forward to future updates that improve on the avatar interaction side of things.
Just to share my experiences so far: I'm a time-poor student (nearly finished medical school) but I enjoy running EVE in the background while I study the books (usually when mining, travelling long distances, stuff that doesn't require much attention). Even when I'm logged off my character is progressing, which suits me perfectly. When I get some spare time I actively mission, explore, do something more involved. The game gives me the freedom to invest as much attention or time as I want. You mentioned that those with not much time to dedicate to the game might not enjoy it, but so far it doesn't seem to be an issue for me 
We fly unbound beneath eternity... |
Jett0
Surface Warfare
The 99 Percent
169
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Posted - 2012.07.18 00:03:00 -
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A good thread:
Hints and Tips V.2
Occasionally plays sober |
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
59
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Posted - 2012.07.18 00:14:00 -
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Greetings
Seeing as the community at large is more than helpful with your inquiries, I will just bid you welcome! See you in space...
IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!" |
Signal11th
621
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:43:00 -
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As for the women in EVE obviously there's not as many as their are men but the ones I have flown with have been top notch.
Greetings from an old time UO player!!!
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
16
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Posted - 2012.07.18 09:20:00 -
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Welcom to New Eden. Enjoy it cos there is plenty to enjoy. |
Dervinus
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.07.18 13:54:00 -
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As far as useful resources in the game, unfortunately the two best Eve Wikis are privately run by the GoonSwarm and TEST alliances. Probably the 3rd best Wiki is that of Eve University, and I would STRONGLY recommend that. For my first few months in the game, pretty much everything I learned was from that wiki. As far as basic things, definitely use their "overview guide" to set up your overview. Having a good overview will radically change how you interact with and see the universe in Eve. I would also heed the advice in their ship fittings, as some websites like Battleclinic have a lot of very poor and outdated fits.
They also have their "class library" which are recordings of classes on certain subjects. When I first started playing, I was driving about 1.5 hours every day and so I put some of these on my ipod and listened to them. Some of those class recordings are a bit dry and boring, but some of them, especially those about spying, scamming, and the metagame are fascinating and will really make you want to get involved in the "dark side" of Eve.
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaateeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
Gronn
V.E.I.
-Entropy-
15
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Posted - 2012.07.18 15:05:00 -
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IGÇÖm the same age as you (43). I played UO upon initial release on Catskills and Siege Perilous, I play Morded on DAoC and RK2 on AO. I always seem to come back to EVE. There is something about it that has just kept me playing since 2003. Maybe itGÇÖs that I can play at my own pace, if I donGÇÖt log in for the next month (but have a skill training), I lose absolutely nothing.
There are plenty of out of game informational resources for EVE and the community is strong. Even the hardcore players will help you if you exert some of your own energy trying to get answers to your questions.
Once you start playing, youGÇÖll be sorry you didnGÇÖt start earlier on when the game was new. |
Betrinna Cantis
22
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Posted - 2012.07.18 17:46:00 -
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Welcome to EVE. Lot's of good advice here, awesome. I have been playing pretty consistantly for almost 2 years and I still learn stuff here. My first and only MMO too. I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, so I will... Eve is not fair. Eve is hard. Those two things are true, very true. when you get blown up enough times you learn what NOT to do. lol
My advice would be to close your Corp and join one that fits your play style and time limits. I am your age in RL and I know about time.  Oh BTW If you see a "contract" in local chat... chances are it is a scam. Please read those carefully!!! If you ask a question in local about it and it gets trolled.. SCAM lol! Anyway good luck to you.
Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent.
You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
200
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Posted - 2012.07.18 21:04:00 -
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Just saw your post otherwise I'd have responded earlier. I also am an older player (47) and find the RP path to be quite interesting and adventuresome. I'm not really into combat, so I've made a bit of a peacenik role that works quite well for me. Its good to know other older people are around. I think anyone can carve out a nitch in this game and make it interesting.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Shalestina Sulistaine
The Elders Fleet
37
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Posted - 2012.07.18 22:21:00 -
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So many lovely responses, thank you all. I'm a bit tight for time right now but I'll respond to your comments in detail soon. |
Clint J Eastwood
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:01:00 -
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Welcome to EVE, heres all the advice you'll ever need.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wear_a_Cloaking_Device |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
1225
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Posted - 2012.07.19 07:13:00 -
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Mika Al'Fadil wrote: The game gives me the freedom to invest as much attention or time as I want. You mentioned that those with not much time to dedicate to the game might not enjoy it, but so far it doesn't seem to be an issue for me
Yeah it only really turns into a problem when you wanna get all serious about it and join an equally serious corp.
CTAs are when it gets nutty...but thankfully not every corp expects that much out of you.
(CTA: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1140729-0/page/1#8)
The Drake is a Lie |
Shalestina Sulistaine
The Elders Fleet
38
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Posted - 2012.07.20 06:09:00 -
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MegabitOne: Aww thank you so much for the kind words! Yes that character creator is terribly addictive. I think it's worth downloading the game and registering an account just to play around with it hehe.
As for CCP, I've actually been saying to people that I'd love to join them some day in the future once my son has flown from the nest. (He's 14 now so still a few more years to go). Not only does Eve inspire me as a player (it's important to be passionate about the product you make) but the visual style is SOOOO much to my own taste. Just love it.
Does anyone know what it's like to work there? I've been getting conflicting reactions heheh. One of my previous colleagues at Dchoc used to work there as an artist and the only thing he complained about was the country, not the company. He still wears his Eve t-shirt btw :) He just didn't enjoy living in Iceland.
However I've always been fascinated with that country (and love Bj+¦rk!) so I'd probably enjoy it :). So let's see in a few years!
malaire: Thank you so much for the Eve portraits link! So such a site does exist, excellent!
Aaah I never realized there was a normal Help channel as well. Very good to know!
Baneken: Hmmm good point about scifi. I just assumed that anything futuristic would be of interest on a larger humane scale. Who wouldn't like fantasizing about what could be, better yet - experiencing the could be's in virtual worlds. Personally I just love to be able to explore space, albeit a fake one :).
Oh and good to know that pirates lay in waiting in the space lines, yikes. I'd better be wary of what security each jump stop has from now on.
Scien Inkunen: Hey hey there! Where have I been? Well it seems fate has been aligning the stars and preparing me for the perfect moment to start Eve. (being so tired of other MMOs + character customization readiness) Glad to be here :).
Rabit Lanky: Yeah I'm surprised my guildies aren't more interested too! Of course timing doesn't help since they're all worked up about the Secret World, and well soon Guildwars 2 will be here so then they will move on to that.
Darnit, had this been a year ago, it'd have been perfect timing. This time last year we were all bored out of our skulls from WoW and just waiting for SWTOR to open up in December. We'd had have many times more than the 7 that we have in the corp right now. Out of which only 1 or 2 has stuck to it in addition to myself, sadly enough.
[to be continued] |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4346
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Posted - 2012.07.20 07:39:00 -
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Probably the best thing to do is go to FanFest, which is held once per year in Reykjavik. If you're successful in game, you can even pay for your FF ticket with PLEX. (You'll still have to pay for flights and accomodation ofc). You'll get to see the country and even meet a few devs. CCP recruit a lot of people from their playerbase.
Meanwhile, browse the vaccancies: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs
EDIT: Quite a few of them are based outside Iceland. There's even some in the USA.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4346
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Posted - 2012.07.20 07:50:00 -
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Shalestina Sulistaine wrote:
Darnit, had this been a year ago, it'd have been perfect timing. This time last year we were all bored out of our skulls from WoW and just waiting for SWTOR to open up in December. We'd had have many times more than the 7 that we have in the corp right now. Out of which only 1 or 2 has stuck to it in addition to myself, sadly enough.
[to be continued]
Getting 1-2 out of 7 to "stick" is about right. In fact if 2 stick, that'll be an above average result in my experience - the rule of thumb is that only about 10% make it past the first month. EVE is very demanding, but IMO the real factor is that it's the diametric opposite of most games (especially most MMOs) in that you have to make your own story and provide your own direction. For 90% of gamers this is literally inconceivable, and they drop out because "EVE is so boring" and "there's nothing to do" - meaning that they're not being told to do anything.
This is because CCP are actually pretty bad at making gameplay. EVE's PvE is, at best, barely mediocre, and the PvE that's accessible to new players is straight up bad. Everything that's worthwhile about EVE (apart from the character creator and the art) come from CCP giving us exceptional tools and unmatched freedom to interact with other players. Again, this is antithetical to the great majority of gamers, even MMOers.
The other 10% of new players get EVE, in much the same way that ghetto kids get addicted to ******, and they typically stay for years and years. I think CCP did a study once that showed that once an EVE player has been in EVE for 3 years they virtually never leave.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Shalestina Sulistaine
The Elders Fleet
38
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Posted - 2012.07.20 17:03:00 -
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Yay the weekend is here!!
Celeste: Awww thank you so so much! I hope that some day I will be able to return the favor tenfold! I was seriously considering sending it back (I have a hard time accepting gifts) but then I saw my guildies talking about all the stuff they need and how they'll need to work this and that much to get the things they need, so instead I decided to spread the joy :-). They send their thanks!
Mexan Caderu: That chart is awesome, thanks! I not only downloaded it to my computer but immediately posted the link on our guild's Facebook page. Maybe it will help rounding up more to try out Eve. *rubs hands together craftily*
Mika Al'Fadil: Thank you for your comments on the blog and sharing your perspective as a person with little time. I actually copy pasted your text to our guild FB page as well to show folks that there are many ways to play the game and that one should not be daunted. You've inspired me to plan a change to my blog post as well. I'll need to modify it anyhow, now that I know a little more.
Jett0: Great thread! Thanks!
Easthir Ravin: Thank you very much!
Signal11th: Hail to thee Lord Signal the 11th! *curtseys* Always nice to find old UO players. I think any of us who have played that game have a secret bond amongst us :). Oh and your profile picture is pure awesomeness. I love the composition, the lighting, the pose, the expression. And I've always had a weakness for bald bearded men haha. Maybe my Shaqor will "grow up" to look similar when he gets on in years. *grins*
Zloco Crendraven: Thank you Zloco!
Dervinus: Aaahhh very good to know about the Eve University ship fitting guide versus the outdated ones. I could easily imagine having followed outdated instructions and facepalming as I realized my mistake later. Thank you so much for mentioning that!
Oh and I had no idea about those class audio files. My day job is sitting at a computer and drawing pretty pictures so I could very well listen to those at the same time! In general I've noticed that information hits the brain much more efficiently through listening and watching videos versus reading stuff.
Gronn: Aaah another old UO player. Hail to thee! Maybe all us old UO folks should make a channel hah! Seems like you have a similar MMO history. In UO I've been on Europa and Siege Perilous. In DaoC I was on the Percival server. That's actually where this character name originates from, as my druidess there was my first "Shalestina" and she's been faithfully reborn in pretty much all the MMOs since :-).
And yeah! I already feel sorry I didn't start earlier!
Betrinna Cantis: Thanks for your warm welcome and words of advice! Good to know that about contracts, I'll be sure to wary. As for the "hard and unfair", yeah things are rosy and fluffy so far but I'm sure my day of doom is coming soon heheh. It's a good thing I have my old Ultima Online experiences lodged at the back of my head. It was very similar in this respect :-).
Ston Momaki: Ah nice to hear from a fellow roleplayer :-). Also very promising (and refreshing!) to hear that you can make the game what you want and even go the peaceful route. Glad you've found your niche!
Clint J Eastwood: Oooooohhhhhhhhhhhh... that was SUCH a good read. I immediately shared that with my guildies who are playing and straight off everyone rushed to buy the cloaking skill and will work to get themselves all sorted out with that. Thank you for sharing!
Xercodo: It's really good to know that a lot of corps have these CTAs. I'll know to personally avoid joining that kind of corp in the future since I could never ever "just drop everything" and rush to assist. Maybe some day when I'm an old granny and retired, but certainly not now heheh.
Malcanis: Thanks for the advice. Well it will be quite a few years yet since I'd even consider applying though, since I'm still stuck in Finland due to my son. But in a few years, who knows! And well if they every open a studio in Helsinki, then it's a whole different ballpark. I'd apply for sure! Helsinki is starting to be a major game company hotspot in the world, so it's not that far fetched actually :-).
Aaahh so I did good with the couple of folks I got to stick, yay :-))). And yeah very good description of the reasons for that. No wonder I love Eve since I've always preferred the sandbox model in a game.
3 years eh? *starts counting down*
By the way guys. My guildies are asking if we could join an alliance. I've already started training up the skills needed for that but I have no idea how to a) find a suitable alliance to join b) what I should be aware of c) how to do it. Any words of advice?
To describe our corporation: It's meant for weary and tired older folks who have families and jobs and just cannot commit to Eve or any other game for that matter in a huge way. The function of our guilds (and this corp) is basically to be a friendly and nurturing haven where we can chat together and help each other out. So I guess I should ask if there even exists alliances that have nothing to do with pvp and don't expect us to leap into battle? |
Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
14
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Posted - 2012.07.20 21:11:00 -
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I recall a corp similar to yours called "The Older Gamers" [TOG], basically the same philosophy of "we're older and casual gamers". They might (if they still exist) have some ideas on alliances that fit the bill.
My only other thing is regarding alliances - don't join an alliance just to join an alliance. It's supposed to be an organization of corps for a single goal, whether its combat expertise, holding and defending a chunk of nullsec real estate, etc. Unless your corp is itself committed to those goals, you're probably going to get unnecessarily traumatized joining an alliance.
If you really want to do it, I'd suggest perusing the section of the forums where alliances are recruiting, and seeing what the organizations in question are looking for out of potential member corps. Just remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it is - one other thing you could do is make your own alliance in time, or for the time being just band together with groups of similar mindset. They're certainly out there, EVE tends to cater to the 18-30 year old crowd, but there are plenty of 30-50+ people doing their thing. |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring
Veto Corp
103
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Posted - 2012.07.20 22:33:00 -
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Shalestina Sulistaine wrote:For instance, I looted "Dairy Products" and now I have no idea what to do with it.
It doesn't do anything. Trash it or use it as comedy cargo in a suicide ship. |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
1015
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Posted - 2012.07.20 22:48:00 -
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There's a Women of EVE chat channel in-game. I believe they may also have their own Mumble or TS3. (How else to verify their members are female?)
They were advertising during the AT 10.
You might want to look into that. There are not a tonne of female players in EVE, but there are some. And a few are EVE famous.
Goonswarm had some cultural propaganda a month or so back concerning the power of the woman gamer. http://i.imgur.com/t0BXU.jpg
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Haethorn
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:29:00 -
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Depending on the size of your cross game guild, it could make for a solid core of loyalty against spies.
You will still need to learn the game mechanics, of corporation roles. Be careful about giving corpies "grantable roles" as you might trust them, but they could grant that role to someone you don't trust. Eve Uni has some good recorded audio classes on this.
Compartmentalisation of assets limits the damage a corptheif can do, if neccessary creating a 2nd bank account corp on another character.
An excellent guide on forming a corporation:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1645204#post1645204
It does not cover game mechanics. While your corp is going to be RP(?) & an Elders starting point(?), it can still be handy to have some goals to focus on for those of you not finished muddling through at their own pace.
Mining is crap. Boring, prone to getting griefed, mediocre profit brought lower by griefers suicide ganking your ships. Only significantly profitable with larger fleets with Orca/Rorqual support. There is a permanent bounty of 100m for 10 hulks now off the top of my head.
Missioning is good isk to start off with & it uses combat skills so you can get into pvp as well. Incursions are better than missioning , but it can be more boring due to less variation as Incursion bears tend to repeat the same one over and over for the best profit. Do something with that crazy isk like pvp.
Trading is excellent but requires some dedication to be sucessful, either time investment to fiddle your orders or studying where demand outstrips supply significantly. Its also gank free if you are station trading on arbitrage.
W-space is brilliant for isk and pvp. When your corp can fly cruisers & battle cruisers & cov ops, you could look at doing short trips into w-space. See if you like it & when you have a good grasp of Planetary Interation, running POSes, manipulating mass on a wormhole, look at living in wormholes.
All of these things E-Uni people do. You will be able to join in & be useful & learn as you go, even as a relatively young character if you focus a little. Even being a picket scout with a prototype cloak, Cov Ops is much better, having eyes on a wormhole watching who comes in & out.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4358
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:04:00 -
[85] - Quote
A fine thread
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Joxxy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.07.24 23:12:00 -
[86] - Quote
I see you have plenty of info regarding the game as such. So let me reply to your gender question ...
Been playing EVE for over 7 years now ( managed to loose all my ISK and sell all my chars in effort to loose more ISK on lotterys - Somer Blink is awsome :D ).
As in any MMO there are more males the females in general. However most players tend to be in 20+ age group, most of the time 30-is. At least that was my experience. What that brings is, no one will yell , OMG A GIRL, when you start talking on TS / Ventrilo / whatever. There is even a women only corp ( or at least there was one ).
Bottom line, you wont get many - OMG MILF - responses in chat and / or voice chat. This game requires age because of death penalty and learning curve. So on average you get more mature players. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2012.07.25 23:27:00 -
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Hi, mom! |
TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.07.26 03:31:00 -
[88] - Quote
welcome to eve |
TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.07.26 03:32:00 -
[89] - Quote
Sakura Nihil wrote:I recall a corp similar to yours called "The Older Gamers" [TOG], basically the same philosophy of "we're older and casual gamers". They might (if they still exist) have some ideas on alliances that fit the bill.
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I remember TOG from SWG on Valcyn server. |
Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
7
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:58:00 -
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Welcome!
I'm truly glad to see new players like you joining. You seem like an extremely valuable addition to the community, and we're glad to have you.
Now, on to advice:
- Those diary products you are the equivalent of 'greys' as you described them in WoW. In other words, vendor them.
- If you want to PVP in the long run, get into real PVP soon. I didn't. I waited two years. I have spent the last several weeks flying ships into nullsec, dying in glorious fires, and learning from every experience. The best thing you can do for your EVE life is to expose yourself to PVP, even if that means dying. Freeing yourself of the fear of losing your ship is key. EVE is about calculated risk taking, as you will never find yourself a good fight without some risks (and likely some deaths).
- Don't get discouraged when you die/get ganked/etc. EVE is a cold, hard place, and far too many new players quit after getting suicide ganked in highsec or dying in a lowsec gatecamp. Find some experienced people to talk to, and heed their advice regarding survival.
- Finally, don't fly what you can't afford to lose. That shiny new mining barge could be easily killed by gankers in highsec, should they put their minds to the task. Make sure you have the ISK to replace it. Larger ships are less of an issue, as ganking them before CONCORD intervenes is difficult, so in highsec you should be fairly safe in anything better than a T1 cruiser.
PS - If you would like to go to nullsec with me and die in a ball of fire, but learn something from the experience, and hopefully get some kills first, drop me a message. :) |
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