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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:25:00 -
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Ok, so I'm in a Myrm BC already I get it.
I can't crack the tank on the Centus Tyrant. We could shoot each other until the end of time, neither winning. I can tank two of them at the same time, I can eat through their shields, get about 25% into their armor and then they self-heal. $@%!
I'm using 3x prator heavy drones, 5 200mm hybrid accelorator cannons with Standard M Thorium charges.
I ate and spat out thier drones, the sentry towers, but the damn battleships will not die!
What do I need save a dominix to kick these babies down?
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:30:00 -
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Hammerheads.
Anything other than rails.
Damage mods.
Skills.
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Arrador
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:30:00 -
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faction ammo? better drone/gun skills?
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Uncle Lim
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:32:00 -
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Use Ogres and move closer so you can use Antimatter?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:33:00 -
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 Originally by: The Huffarunier
I'm using 3x prator heavy drones
Here's your problem. Never ever use Amarr drones (with the occasional exception of Curators). Gallente drones will always be a better choice. Also, try using the 2× Heavy, 2× Medium, 1× Light drone combo to maximise the DPS you can get out of your bandwidth.
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5 200mm hybrid accelorator cannons with Standard M Thorium charges
àand if that's not enough, try exchanging these for a short-range/high-damage weapon with high-damage ammo, fit an AB and get in close and personal.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:33:00 -
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Hammerheads are not a problem.
other guns than rails. Blastes may be an issue due to capacitor recharge rate and my ability to actually get in close to the BS. I'll have to see what the fitting tool says
I was hoping I might already have the skills, just not know how to use them
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: The Huffarunier
other guns than rails. Blastes may be an issue due to capacitor recharge rate and my ability to actually get in close to the BS. I'll have to see what the fitting tool says
Since the Myrm doesn't give you any turret bonuses, it doesn't particularly matter what you fit up there as long as it serves your purpose. If cap is an issue, consider fitting autocannons.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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SamuelAdams
Gallente
PoliCratton Technologies
Crimson Dragons
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Lim
Use Ogres and move closer so you can use Antimatter?
This!
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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.20 17:31:00 -
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Well that worked wounders actually:
1xOgre
1xPrator
2xHammerheads
1xHornet
Switch to Antimatter, burn in and fire. Flawless, and they die
Takes a little longer than a crusier or a BC, but they fall in the end!
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Uncle Lim
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Posted - 2010.05.20 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Uncle Lim on 20/05/2010 17:42:40
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Well that worked wounders actually:
1xOgre
1xPrator
2xHammerheads
1xHornet
Switch to Antimatter, burn in and fire. Flawless, and they die
Takes a little longer than a crusier or a BC, but they fall in the end!
:( Mixing drones like that isn't very good. You'll find that the Gallente ones (Hobgoblin/Hammerhead/Ogre) tend to be more favoured since they have the highest damage modifier, which makes the Amarr and Caldari ones completely useless since anything which is weak to them has Thermal as its secondary weakness.
The only other ones you'll ever need are the Minmatar ones (Warrior/Valkyrie/Berserker) since they have the highest base speed (used to catch fast moving enemies). |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.20 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 20/05/2010 17:49:37
Originally by: Uncle Lim
àwhich makes the Amarr and Caldari ones completely useless since anything which is weak to them has Thermal as its secondary weakness.
This isn't entirely true. The Caldari drones are always preferable against kinetic-weak enemies since the difference in resists towards their secondary (usually thermal) usually makes up for the difference in damage modifiers. For Amarr drones, this is not the case û the difference is damage modifiers is so large that you're better off with the thermal drones even if you're hitting a higher resist. Also, the Caldari drones track better, so they get better hits on top of doing more effective damage, and they're faster than the Gallente ones, so there's less drone travel involved.
This should be weighed against the convenience of just going with thermal drones and never swapping them out, but they are actually only the most effective ones against enemies with EM or thermal as their primary weak-spot.
That said, though, the main point remains: don't mix damage types on your drones. Go for the best damage type for all of them û in this case thermal (i.e. Gallente drones).
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:43:00 -
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Let me say a few words in defense of the Amarr and Caldari drones. IMHO, the Caldari drones are a great balance between speed and damage -- much faster than Ogres, and more powerful than warriors. I use them in my PVP ships.
Amarr drones may not do as much damage as Ogres against the rats in Amarr missions, but they're pretty good, and they move quicker across the battlefield which is an effective DPS bonus.
Third and best reason to use Caldari and Amarr drones -- they're much, much cheaper than the alternatives, and I lose drones all the time!
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Panch0Villa
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.20 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Panch0Villa on 20/05/2010 19:20:08
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Ok, so I'm in a Myrm BC already I get it.
I can't crack the tank on the Centus Tyrant. We could shoot each other until the end of time, neither winning. I can tank two of them at the same time, I can eat through their shields, get about 25% into their armor and then they self-heal. $@%!
I'm using T2 drones: 2x Ogres, 2x hammerheads, 1x hobgoblin, Medium Blasters with Antimatter M charges, and may need perhaps Magnetic Field Stabilizers and more skill points in gunnery/hybrids for more damage.
I ate and spat out thier drones, the sentry towers, and the battlehips will die!
What do I need save a dominix to kick these babies down?
Fixed?
EDIT: Let me emphasize you don't need to be cap stable, just have the DPS to eliminate them before they can take down your tank, and enough buffer or tank to hold them off for that amount of time, i.e. about 2/3 minutes tops.
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar
The Waiting Room.
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Posted - 2010.05.20 19:22:00 -
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curators are by far the best sentry drones
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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.20 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: The Huffarunier on 20/05/2010 20:01:51
Originally by: Panch0Villa
Edited by: Panch0Villa on 20/05/2010 19:20:08
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Ok, so I'm in a Myrm BC already I get it.
I can't crack the tank on the Centus Tyrant. We could shoot each other until the end of time, neither winning. I can tank two of them at the same time, I can eat through their shields, get about 25% into their armor and then they self-heal. $@%!
I'm using T2 drones: 2x Ogres, 2x hammerheads, 1x hobgoblin, Medium Blasters with Antimatter M charges, and may need perhaps Magnetic Field Stabilizers and more skill points in gunnery/hybrids for more damage.
I ate and spat out thier drones, the sentry towers, and the battlehips will die!
What do I need save a dominix to kick these babies down?
Fixed?
EDIT: Let me emphasize you don't need to be cap stable, just have the DPS to eliminate them before they can take down your tank, and enough buffer or tank to hold them off for that amount of time, i.e. about 2/3 minutes tops.
No, not fixed. I do not have the skills for Tech 2 drones, so a mixture of Tech 1 will have to work for the time being. Yes it would be nice to have more skills, but I play eve to play it, not to let it train all day while I play some other game.
The reason for mized drones is because there waere no Orges in the system to purchase. I'll pick some up before I head out on another mission.
I would ratehr fight cap stable then find myself having short supply of cap or having to warp out before i ran out of cap.
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.05.20 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reformed
curators are by far the best sentry drones
Bouncers would like to have a word with you. 
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.05.20 20:11:00 -
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I can kill all Sansha and Blood BS up to 1.5M in a Slicer so very strange that you can't do it in a Myrm.
Laser Myrm is an awesome boat for PvE and PvP so try it with focused medium pulses. The main damage will still come from the drones, but the guns should make it a slam dunk.
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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.20 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
I can kill all Sansha and Blood BS up to 1.5M in a Slicer so very strange that you can't do it in a Myrm.
Laser Myrm is an awesome boat for PvE and PvP so try it with focused medium pulses. The main damage will still come from the drones, but the guns should make it a slam dunk.
Do you have a fit for that? I want to avoid mixing "race" equipment for RP purposes, so I'm leery of mixing different races if it isn't justified by a mixed pirate class - not that I'm playing a pirate.
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Titus Io
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Posted - 2010.05.20 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: The Huffarunier
Do you have a fit for that? I want to avoid mixing "race" equipment for RP purposes, so I'm leery of mixing different races if it isn't justified by a mixed pirate class - not that I'm playing a pirate.
Originally by: The Huffarunier
for RP purposes
... People still do that?
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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.20 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Titus Io
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Do you have a fit for that? I want to avoid mixing "race" equipment for RP purposes, so I'm leery of mixing different races if it isn't justified by a mixed pirate class - not that I'm playing a pirate.
Originally by: The Huffarunier
for RP purposes
... People still do that?
I'd hope so, why not do it. You may be gimping your play, but so what
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Alexi Blue
Serra Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.20 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat
Originally by: arbiter reformed
curators are by far the best sentry drones
Bouncers would like to have a word with you.
Gardes are far superior to both. Unless you want to do some high range sniping.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.20 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Huffarunier
Originally by: Titus Io
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Do you have a fit for that? I want to avoid mixing "race" equipment for RP purposes, so I'm leery of mixing different races if it isn't justified by a mixed pirate class - not that I'm playing a pirate.
Originally by: The Huffarunier
for RP purposes
... People still do that?
I'd hope so, why not do it. You may be gimping your play, but so what
Cause EVE is very much a numbers game. And this translates to "srs business" on the forums. Of course if you're here asking for advice you've evolved past the hopeless RPer.
I'm sure you can find some justification for using lasers anyway. You're still using a gallente hull and in a way you're using your enemies weapons against them (since sansha/BR are amarr hulls).
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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caboaddict
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Posted - 2010.05.20 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Blue
Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat
Originally by: arbiter reformed
curators are by far the best sentry drones
Bouncers would like to have a word with you.
Gardes are far superior to both. Unless you want to do some high range sniping.
I never knew high range sniping was anything over 20 km.......
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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.20 22:00:00 -
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in many ways, numbers are more important for focused RP. Yes you could just do whatever it took to eek out another 10 dps, but thats not very realistic - not that the game is.
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Alexi Blue
Serra Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.20 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: caboaddict
I never knew high range sniping was anything over 20 km.......
Gardes on a drone boat like Dominix (where you use omni links) can hit anything from 5 and up to 60+km range. And due to their great tracking they will pop frigates at 10km with ease.
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Serra Blueprint Store |
Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.05.21 00:09:00 -
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RP or not, autocannons on a Myrm look and sound sweet!!
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Raezhina
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.21 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: The Huffarunier
Originally by: Titus Io
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Do you have a fit for that? I want to avoid mixing "race" equipment for RP purposes, so I'm leery of mixing different races if it isn't justified by a mixed pirate class - not that I'm playing a pirate.
Originally by: The Huffarunier
for RP purposes
... People still do that?
I'd hope so, why not do it. You may be gimping your play, but so what
That's all well and good, but then you come to the forums asking why you can't crack the tank of some mission rats.... that's so what. :p
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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.21 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Raezhina
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Originally by: Titus Io
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Do you have a fit for that? I want to avoid mixing "race" equipment for RP purposes, so I'm leery of mixing different races if it isn't justified by a mixed pirate class - not that I'm playing a pirate.
Originally by: The Huffarunier
for RP purposes
... People still do that?
I'd hope so, why not do it. You may be gimping your play, but so what
That's all well and good, but then you come to the forums asking why you can't crack the tank of some mission rats.... that's so what. :p
Fair enough. The question still has merit. Its not as if just cause you wont pimp your ride to everyones expectations you will fail.
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Barton Foley
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Posted - 2010.05.21 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: The Huffarunier
Originally by: Raezhina
Originally by: The Huffarunier
I'd hope so, why not do it. You may be gimping your play, but so what
That's all well and good, but then you come to the forums asking why you can't crack the tank of some mission rats.... that's so what. :p
Fair enough. The question still has merit. Its not as if just cause you wont pimp your ride to everyones expectations you will fail.
Actually... yeah, it is. Your thread here is kind of proof of that.
This reminds me of an argument from a while back when some tard was claiming that mixing guns (i.e. blasters and rails) was more efficient than using drones. Then as now, it's a case of, "No, you're wrong, now stop arguing and follow the advice everyone is giving you."
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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.05.21 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Barton Foley
Originally by: The Huffarunier
Originally by: Raezhina
Originally by: The Huffarunier
I'd hope so, why not do it. You may be gimping your play, but so what
That's all well and good, but then you come to the forums asking why you can't crack the tank of some mission rats.... that's so what. :p
Fair enough. The question still has merit. Its not as if just cause you wont pimp your ride to everyones expectations you will fail.
Actually... yeah, it is. Your thread here is kind of proof of that.
This reminds me of an argument from a while back when some tard was claiming that mixing guns (i.e. blasters and rails) was more efficient than using drones. Then as now, it's a case of, "No, you're wrong, now stop arguing and follow the advice everyone is giving you."
I suppose to an extent. But there is a difference between not knowing how best to utilize your resources and flat out not being willing to learn.
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