I'm not trying to knock the girl - she is actually a bad ass and I dont think I would have been playing EVE at 7. So Kudos to her and her dad.

Just saying this whole focus on Hulkageddon is a bit lame for a game that considers itself hi-brow. Even if the Miner was bad enough to get ganked by a 7year old, it just proves the point further.

What a waste of a perfectly good childhood.

Ganking Miners is Fun. Like popping bubble-wrap. Popping bubble wrap isn't challenging, but it sure is fun.

The point is that some EVE players are so bad that even a 7 year old can out play them.

I had my son sitting on my lap at 6 playing Ultima Online with me. He especially got to type for me once I was dead, because he loved to see all the OOOooOoOOoOOooOOO come across the screen:D

He also kept cheering me to fish up serpents, since they flamed me to death in 2 seconds flat.

I'd have him log on to reply, but he's out in the rain LARPing with his friends today. MMO's aren't the death of childhood, they expand the mind to a whole new world, with people who don't think like him, dress like him, or have the same idols. They force him to THINK.

I'm tired of the same old (We played outside when I was a kid, and were so much better for it!) I actually was able to convince him to try Thai vegetables (he HATES veggies) because he was grouped with someone from Thailand who told him he'd like it. Do you get that around here, in plain vanilla US South? Hell no. And no one believes Mom when she says, "You'll like these veggies, honest!"

Good for her Dad, and good for her!

I had my son sitting on my lap at 6 playing Ultima Online with me. He especially got to type for me once I was dead, because he loved to see all the OOOooOoOOoOOooOOO come across the screen:D

He also kept cheering me to fish up serpents, since they flamed me to death in 2 seconds flat.

I'd have him log on to reply, but he's out in the rain LARPing with his friends today. MMO's aren't the death of childhood, they expand the mind to a whole new world, with people who don't think like him, dress like him, or have the same idols. They force him to THINK.

I'm tired of the same old (We played outside when I was a kid, and were so much better for it!) I actually was able to convince him to try Thai vegetables (he HATES veggies) because he was grouped with someone from Thailand who told him he'd like it. Do you get that around here, in plain vanilla US South? Hell no. And no one believes Mom when she says, "You'll like these veggies, honest!"

Good for her Dad, and good for her!

This in a nutshell.



I'm not sure exactly how people claim this shows that miners are less capable than a 7 year old. Its a cute spin, but that base of comparison is garbage when you are comparing a non-combat mining vessel to a destroyer. Put them in equivalent ships, then we can compare talent and capability.

Until then I am inclined to agree with the OP that this clearly illustrates how easy it is to suicide-gank a mining ship with a combat ship in empire and how long it takes for Concord to respond.

I mean, there is now way around it, suicide-ganking is easier and cheaper than mining. If you guys do it because it fun, so be it, this is EVE and I ain't gonna hate, but dont try to convince us its a challenging thing to do. Come on.

In then end you are just doing the bidding of market manipulators egging you on and that is interesting and ironic in itself. EVE is awesome.

The only reason Suicide Ganking is profitable and easy is that Miners refuse to counter it.

Counter with what - T2 drones and a mining laser.
Come on. You are seriously saying thats the ONLY reason suicide ganking is easy. You completely deny the fact that attacking a mining ship that cannot fight back with a destroyer is not what makes it easy? LOL

Or maybe Engage in a totally screwed criminal flagging system where you can't really protect a friend of yours about to get attacked to pre-empt the situation.

Maybe you mean engage in a totally screwed WarDec system? They tried that and the response was to increase costs exponentially for ally help because they started whining about the war that was brought on them.

Yeah - that cards not not staked on gankers sides by any means.

Counter with what - T2 drones and a mining laser.
Come on. You are seriously saying thats the ONLY reason suicide ganking is easy. You completely deny the fact that attacking a mining ship that cannot fight back with a destroyer is not what makes it easy? LOL

Or maybe Engage in a totally screwed criminal flagging system where you can't really protect a friend of yours about to get attacked to pre-empt the situation.

Maybe you mean engage in a totally screwed WarDec system? They tried that and the response was to increase costs exponentially for ally help because they started whining about the war that was brought on them.

Yeah - that cards not not staked on gankers sides by any means.

So, basically, a miner is killed by a 7 year old?
That's not exactly good either...

But yes, what Lady said above. The skills/market/isk etc was done by someone else.

This video from another post says it all.

Ganking Miners - So easy a 7-year-old can do it, (while being coached)

So this is what is considered a challenge in EVE these days. This is why people log in? To do something a 7 year old can do having never done it before! And they say Carebears aren't playing the game and EVE has a high learning curve

Forget all those cool videos about building empires, building ships... save yourselves time and money and just show this video for promo from now on.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Pathetic

Thus, the miner was not killed by a 7 year old child. Anybody can hobble a deer, and then hand the rifle to a child and tell them to finish it.

Thus, the miner was not killed by a 7 year old child. Anybody can hobble a deer, and then hand the rifle to a child and tell them to finish it.

Mad words

As for the rest of your argument, a child being able to Hunt while guided by their father does not make hunting any less of a thinking man's sport. Similarly, a child being able to play while guided by their father does not make EvE any less of a thinking man's game.

yea for sure.... it's like anyone can drive F1 car when somebody guides him: now, press left pedal, now press right pedal, turn the car left....

Did I say F1 racing? No. I said "Hunting."

Last time I checked, I don't go Hunting from the back of a million dollar car going around a track at a buck fifty.

well. last time i checked hunting includes using gun (rifle or something). And i'm pretty sure to use it you have to be trained at least. It's not like you can simply take it and start to shoot well.

And this is the difference between real hunters and Eve Online "elite hunters"

As for shooting skill, sure, it doesn't take skill to press F1, but that's beside the point. The thing that makes EvE and Hunting thinking man's activities is the work that goes into preparing for that shot. The shot/gank is mechanical, and doesn't require any significant thought. The preparation is what requires the thought.

The guy I was replying to was complaining that the video was evidence of EvE being dumbed down.

Since the video didn't show any of the preparatory work (the part that isn't a simple mechanical skill), the video is not evidence of anything of the sort.

OP is wrong. It's much more complicated. To gank a miner you have to queue skills for like a week, earn few millions to equip destroyer by finishing simple starter quest arc, watch couple of videos.

7 y.o. child can't do that. Only 10 years old.