Blah next week the dad is going to post a vid of the 7 year old's 5 year old sister mining the moon goo which bought the gank ship & prove the mental age of Goons' typical Hulkageddon ganker

sure.
fitting catalyst by fits from internet needs lots of thinking man activities
warping to belt (where the f... is it again??? ) needs lots of ....


problem is: he is right. ganking is simple too easy. And CCP does lots of work towards making it more easy and simple.


well. maybe you are right here and buying ship/modules + fitting it by pictures from internet is real complex task....

Did anyone actually look at the kill mail? It was a damned retriever a stiff fart and those things blow up.


Extra points if you tell me how the heck your supposed to tank a retriever?

Insure you ship and fit defensibly, but the most important rule is always if you can't afford to lose it don't fly it.

In eve a fool and his ship are soon parted ;)

This video from another post says it all.

Ganking Miners - So easy a 7-year-old can do it, (while being coached)

So this is what is considered a challenge in EVE these days. This is why people log in? To do something a 7 year old can do having never done it before! And they say Carebears aren't playing the game and EVE has a high learning curve

Forget all those cool videos about building empires, building ships... save yourselves time and money and just show this video for promo from now on.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Pathetic

Ever tried to insure T2 ship? You should try it sometimes. Totally worth it.

Not. Works only with T1 hulls.

I agree that there's definately some asymetry in the risk/reward for hi-sec mining as compared to everything else in the game atm. I think CCP had some plans to bring mining ships more in line with the cost/risk/reward balance of the other game mechanics with some revamps stats/hulls. At least that's the rumor.

yk

I agree that there's definately some asymetry in the risk/reward for hi-sec mining as compared to everything else in the game atm. I think CCP had some plans to bring mining ships more in line with the cost/risk/reward balance of the other game mechanics with some revamps stats/hulls. At least that's the rumor.

yk

If you're bothered by low insurance payouts, don't fly T2. There are very few things that T2 ships can do that T1 can't. Of the top of my head, the list is "Warp Cloaked" and "Do stuff with Covert Cynos," and the ships used for those things tend to be relatively cheap for the rate they're lost.

Of course this doesn't bother you because you get everything you need free from moons.

And me wants 70km neut to Arbitrator!

Exactly. If you're going to play the game in such a way that leaves you open to getting raped by a 7 year old, you deserve it. It is your fault.

I propose a new mining class ship, no tougher than a current day hulk (if fitted well) but with a couple slots for small class "point defence" guns. Currently every mining ship regardless of fittings is capable of being shot and killed with the victim having no chance to really fight back. The best one can hope for is to do maybe 200dmg back with thier drones unless we're talking insta kill with t3's.

Im fine with highsec ganking and im fine with the idiots flying paper ships burning.

I do kinda get sick of the "getting raped" and the overall concept that all miners are bots or bludgers however. I put in about 100 times more training time into my hulk than the next alt in a catalyst, I really need my proposed point defense barge to show them too. TBH i'd rather a couple small guns than the upcoming hp changes. An unarmed barge still cant fight back, it can just get shot at a little longer. Everyone knows gankers run after they pull the hit, theyre not that daft so by the time a (human) barge victim gets to station and reships, the ganker has left the system - hardly leaves room to avenge the act.

I mean, there is now way around it, suicide-ganking is easier and cheaper than mining. If you guys do it because it fun, so be it, this is EVE and I ain't gonna hate, but dont try to convince us its a challenging thing to do. Come on.

for the sake of the challenge

Yeah they say that in WoW too and my friend's daughter was playing that at 6

"for the sake of the challenge" that a 7 year old can do... some challenge

Yeah they say that in WoW too and my friend's daughter was playing that at 6

"for the sake of the challenge" that a 7 year old can do... some challenge

The only reason it's not challenging to profitably gank a Hulk is because the miners refuse to make it challenging.

Counter with what - T2 drones and a mining laser.
Come on. You are seriously saying thats the ONLY reason suicide ganking is easy. You completely deny the fact that attacking a mining ship that cannot fight back with a destroyer is not what makes it easy? LOL

It might be "easy" if all you do is load two destroyers with blasters and pray that it will do enough damage to kill a miner.

Some of us are a little bit more careful though, and cover our bases for the sake of the challenge among other things. When I decided I was going to start ganking ships, I went into excel to start a calculator that was general enough to accomodate for different weapon types and hull resistances etc.

I've gone so far now that I calculate shield and armor repped and regen between each volley so I know down to the tenth of a second how much time it will take to kill a given hull - basically I've recreated every calculation that happens in game when a weapon hits a ship of a given profile.

And thanks to the helpful resource of Tippia I know the times for each security system and can thus enter in just a few values to solve for the minimum amount of DPS (and the em/therm/kin/exp profile) needed to kill any sort of ship in high sec before CONCORD jams me.

Sure all of what I did is not necessary for a gank - but I do this type of thing because EVE inspires me to do so, and that's why I love this game.

In conclusion, I wanted to make clear that belittling others doesn't do much except make you more susceptible to the clever ones that you've overlooked because of a need to emotionally cope.

Expect every miner to have a well-fitted Hulk with 30k EHP. Expect every ganker to have done the math with extreme rigor.

Once you expect the most of your enemies, you'll be able to enjoy one of the best fruits of fierce competition - respect for a good opponent.

Oh, do you have any interesting statistics on the sort of "damage to kill" you seen on hulks in the idea?

It would be interesting to move from a kill-mail based "this is a failfit" to a chart of, say, cumulative distribution of hulks by "damage to kill".

1. It's likely that the preparatory work is something that the 7 year old would be unable to accomplish on their own.

2. When has CCP made ganking easier? Name one time that ganking got an overall buff (Crucible gave it a big nerf to go along with its small buff, btw)

3. Then you could argue that just about all PvP is dumbed down. You could train a 6 year old to follow an FC's commands in about the same amount of time as it takes to teach her how to gank.

mmmm... let me guess: maybe when they refined hybrid turrets and Catalyst became great DPS machine?

no i haven't collected anything, but I do have a value for total damage taken minus excess damage on the final volley, which is effective hitpoints for the encounter, as opposed to the omni damage profile it normally draws the number from - but EFT can also give you a good idea of that pretty quickly if you set up custom damage profiles.

i didn't tinker with the fits of the hulks as much as I did with the volley times and damage types of the attacking ships.

I don't think you read my post.

"the challenge" did not refer to warping into an ice belt 10km from a ship and activating overloaded high slots.

it referred to creating the calculator specialized to make sure that when I did activate those highs, that they would make the ship pop for certain.