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Spins Meats
Gallente
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.10 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Spins Meats on 10/06/2010 01:11:37
 Originally by: Jaron Stirling
Article 17.
ò(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
ò(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
This is the issue that is the primary at hand. Ownership of the salvage which was created by the destruction of an object.
Of course, then you might argue that we ALL are violating the Rights of both NPC and player alike when we destroy each other. That's a WHOLE new ball of wax. :)
You're applying IRL standards to actions in an internet spaceship game. I'll give you a hint: nothing in Eve is actually real. The game has a set of rules (lets call them 'mechanics') which everybody in-game is subjected to equally, and things such as theft, murder, salvaging, etc are perfectly permissible under these rules. Or, put another way, ninja salvaging in Eve is exactly as permissible as sinking your opponent's cueball in billiards (look this up if you don't get the reference.)
Originally by: Jaron Stirling
Your sarcasm isn't even funny considering that a "pirate" has present day references, from the
typically recognized high seas pirate who tends to commit violent crimes to the non-violent "pirate"
of financial or intellectual property. Your admission of being a pirate, humourouse intent or not,
still has realistic references behind them. You might want to be more careful of aligning yourself
with criminal behavior in real life than you just did.
A pirate (IRL) is somebody who takes stuff that isn't theirs (possibly employing violence to do so) on the high seas. Applying that label to people who commit "intellectual property" violations is a gross disrespect to anybody who's had their **** pushed in by pirates on the high seas; people have been making this mistake since Daniel Defoe complained bitterly about "pyrates" with printing presses, and continue to do so.
I think, given the parallels between eve ships and actual IRL ocean-going ships, that the term 'piracy' is considerably more apropos in this context than anything to do with "intellectual property".
Edit: fixed dumb typos
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Section 8 Industries
Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.06.10 04:40:00 -
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Ironicaly I often skip salvaging and picking up stuff if the targets have bountys. I have done numerous level 4 caldari navy missions in a mission hub that has a 100 or so population, where are the ninjas in my mission? I haven't encountered one.
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jRonin
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Posted - 2010.06.10 11:08:00 -
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If you can't salvage due to the ninjas, just destroy the wrecks yourself. preferably the ones in their reach. They'll look for someone else. It happens to me only when i want to salvage to get the little space pests... when i leave a ton of wrecks they never come...
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Galvatine
Caldari
Dark Materials
Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2010.06.10 12:00:00 -
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Oh dear god, is this whine not dead yet?
Use a maurauder.
Use a team.
Use a different mission hub.
Use your right to blow the wrecks up.
Use your right to shoot the "ninja", and man up to the consequences of that right.
Use your right to leave the mission a while and let them suck up the incomming dps.
The rules of the game are very very clear on this, perhaps you need to find another one?
As for this "supporting criminal intent and actions" hell yeah, that is what makes this game fun.
Now cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.
Hello Kitty online----------------------->Thataway
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.06.10 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: 1600 RT on 10/06/2010 13:25:13
i need to start the profession of ninja salvager, these tears are awesome.
thanks OP for the hint.
edit:
you can just go mission run in lowsec or 0.0 no one will ninja-salvage you there and if they do you are allowed to shoot them.
lv4 mission in high sec need some sort of drawback
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